Messed up thread in Houston Rocket Forum...

[magicfan4life05]

^ best post in realgm history

[Duiz]

I agree... Monkeyfeng should have been awarded a 2 week ban like a did. I got banned previously for comments in the NYK board about how we will not trade Kirilenko for Balkman and about how Marbury is not a leader, citing specifically his meltdown this summer, and although I was actually doing very smart arguements, and today, in the verge of having Marbury waived and banned from the MSG, I am proven to be right, and because of the reasons I stated.

Even then I got banned for 2 weeks. I learned my lesson not to be negative, even if it is constructively negative about other team's players.

I thought I didn't deserve that, and I can go to the Mavs board and speak about Avery Johnson, or go to the Golden State board and speak about how underused Belinelli and Patrick O'Bryant are, or I can go to the Rockets board and say how lucky they were that Nowitzki was suspended or the David West was injured during their streak and they are fine with it. But at the moment I step into the NYK board, and say something, with much more padding into it, and I get banned.

To me many of these decisions are made according to the judgement of the jurors, and not necessarily by following the rules, because the rules aren't perfect and they don't cover necessarily the ability of the individual to change depending certain penalties, and also the true intent by an aggression committed by a member. It is always about judgement, and you can pick and destroy one member, or you can absolutely ignore that he said something like that.

And therefore comes my conclusion, that his case was mismanaged, and that for someone that has near 20,000 posts, probably the total number of posts in the San Antonio Spurs board, that he gets banned cold blooded without any consideration of how much of an asset he is in discussions and his experience can sometimes even work as a catalyst for moderation within threads. I think that the decisions just didn't have any heart if you ask me. I hate to be Simon Cowell.

So I hope I don't get waived nor banned after my comments. I am not saying RealGM is gay, or that the administrators are Forum Nazis. In the contrary, we are all human, and I hope that the point of view I bring into this discussion creates a positive impact in the further decisions that are made, as I think they are too unilateral in some few cases like this one.

[de2nd]

RealGM needs to wakeup and actually investigate mods claims. Just keep suspending him for every unacceptable comment made.

If the majority of a posters posts are relevant and contributing to RealGM, suspensions and warnings need to be handed out. If however a troll or someone who is constantly trying to start something or someone that is just completely unacceptable, thats when the waiving needs to be instituted.

Some of you mods need to get a clue. You're a moderator of an internet forum, not God himself. Yeah you have the power to get away with anything you damn well please and RealGM will hold you at your word and grant your reccomendations, but use your common f*cking sense. Wouldn't be shocked if I got a warning for that.

[Scoot McGroot]

Even then I got banned for 2 weeks. I learned my lesson not to be negative, even if it is constructively negative about other team's players.

What are you talking about? You've been suspended once for a 3 day period. Also, there are no suspensions longer than 7 days. I'm a little confused on this.

[xstockholmsyndromex]

RIP Monkeyfeng....we'll miss you!

As for the selective moderation on RealGM, its a joke. I dont know how many times I has seen TOS violations by moderators and yet, nothing seems to happen to them, yet some people make simple little comments that happen to rub a mod the wrong way, and its the quck road to Waived!

[Schad]

RealGM needs to wakeup and actually investigate mods claims. Just keep suspending him for every unacceptable comment made.

If the majority of a posters posts are relevant and contributing to RealGM, suspensions and warnings need to be handed out. If however a troll or someone who is constantly trying to start something or someone that is just completely unacceptable, thats when the waiving needs to be instituted.

Unless the poster is spamming or otherwise being extremely disruptive, it takes at least nine warn-worthy actions (each of which has to be detailed) to earn a ban; in actuality, the number is typically much higher. For a poster to plow through at least two suspensions (if a poster behaves for quite a bit of time, then relapses, they sometimes get a third suspension without a ban) and a dozen or more violations without cluing in takes effort, and usually indicates that they have no intention of changing.

Some of you mods need to get a clue. You're a moderator of an internet forum, not God himself. Yeah you have the power to get away with anything you damn well please and RealGM will hold you at your word and grant your reccomendations, but use your common f*cking sense. Wouldn't be shocked if I got a warning for that.

When a mod requests a ban (or even a suspension), they do have to provide evidence that the poster violated the TOS...we cannot suspend posters on our own, and given the number of mods roaming the boards (which acts as a sort of self-oversight measure), it would be extraordinarily difficult for one to railroad a poster through the entire process of warnings and suspensions which precede a ban.

Also, this "drunk with power" thing is laughable; to suggest that we 'have the power to get away with anything [we] damn well please' is to indicate that you have no clue what moderating entails. Moderating is beyond dull, and the process of obtaining suspensions/bans is not particularly fun. Believe me...no mod looks at a flame war and gleefully sets about handing out warnings; it's a complete pain in the ass that all of us would rather do without, but because sports forums do not lend themselves to civility, it's a necessary evil.

As is having to deal with the fallout from posters being banned, which belies the notion that it is a 'perk' of the job.

[de2nd]

no mod looks at a flame war and gleefully sets about handing out warnings;

You will find a number of posters on this site that will completely disagree with you and it's happened to them. I've received a just warning before which I accepted, but also an unjust one. Last year over in the Lakers board after a Jazz blowout win, I posted "Good game ". I was given a warning. I replied back saying no warning should have been given, and was actually baited by one of their mods to keep disagreeing with them and replying to them as they would reccomend me for suspension.

There ARE mods out there that take their role too seriously and actually enjoy it. I've seen it happen to me as well as others by the very same mods. Most of you do a great job and I didn't mean to classify all of you in the corrupt and "a$$hole" category. But to say "no mod" enjoys dishing out warnings and going on power trips is wrong. I can name names, but I won't.

[Schad]

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You will find a number of posters on this site that will completely disagree with you and it's happened to them. I've received a just warning before which I accepted, but also an unjust one. Last year over in the Lakers board after a Jazz blowout win, I posted "Good game ". I was given a warning. I replied back saying no warning should have been given, and was actually baited by one of their mods to keep disagreeing with them and replying to them as they would reccomend me for suspension.

There ARE mods out there that take their role too seriously and actually enjoy it. I've seen it happen to me as well as others by the very same mods. Most of you do a great job and I didn't mean to classify all of you in the corrupt and "a$$hole" category. But to say "no mod" enjoys dishing out warnings and going on power trips is wrong. I can name names, but I won't.

Well, I'm happy to report that, if you did get a warning on the Lakers board, it was of the informal variety, as there is no record of it. Mods will do that at times simply to prevent flame wars from erupting; better occasionally to nip it in the bud before it becomes necessary to start handing out 'real' warnings and/or suspensions.

[KingInExile]

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You will find a number of posters on this site that will completely disagree with you and it's happened to them. I've received a just warning before which I accepted, but also an unjust one. Last year over in the Lakers board after a Jazz blowout win, I posted "Good game ". I was given a warning. I replied back saying no warning should have been given, and was actually baited by one of their mods to keep disagreeing with them and replying to them as they would reccomend me for suspension.

There ARE mods out there that take their role too seriously and actually enjoy it. I've seen it happen to me as well as others by the very same mods. Most of you do a great job and I didn't mean to classify all of you in the corrupt and "a$$hole" category. But to say "no mod" enjoys dishing out warnings and going on power trips is wrong. I can name names, but I won't.

So, you go onto the Lakers board and post "Good game " after they were blown out by another team in West...and you don't see how that kind of a comment doesn't have the potential to set off posters who are already emotionally charged by the loss? Couple that with the fact that the Lakers board has had many problems in the past with trolling and for a long time had a posted zero-tolerance policy against trolling, they were more than justified giving you that warning. Stealth trolling, which your comment qualifies as, is still trolling...period. Sure the comment may seem a bit innocuous. But the end result, especially in the situation where it was posted, will only have one result...thread disruption and flaming. I can't stand the Lakers and relish in any loss they have (the bigger the better), but that still doesn't make a comment like your's right.

[Flash3]

RealGM needs to wakeup and actually investigate mods claims. Just keep suspending him for every unacceptable comment made.

If the majority of a posters posts are relevant and contributing to RealGM, suspensions and warnings need to be handed out. If however a troll or someone who is constantly trying to start something or someone that is just completely unacceptable, thats when the waiving needs to be instituted.

Some of you mods need to get a clue. You're a moderator of an internet forum, not God himself. Yeah you have the power to get away with anything you damn well please and RealGM will hold you at your word and grant your reccomendations, but use your common f*cking sense. Wouldn't be shocked if I got a warning for that.

Given that many mods do let A LOT of things go here and there, a post like this doesn't sit very well.

They are tons of things that mods let slide by, even when some of them maybe slight breaches against TOS, but there comes a point when action must be taken.

And, when someone 'acts-up' they DO NOT get a suspension there out right, where'd you get/hear such a thing? There are warnings (public & private) given before further action is taken.

The rules clearly state the actions that take place with mods, and if you feel you've been mishandled, PM another mod; you have that luxury.

[de2nd]

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So, you go onto the Lakers board and post "Good game " after they were blown out by another team in West...and you don't see how that kind of a comment doesn't have the potential to set off posters who are already emotionally charged by the loss? Couple that with the fact that the Lakers board has had many problems in the past with trolling and for a long time had a posted zero-tolerance policy against trolling, they were more than justified giving you that warning. Stealth trolling, which your comment qualifies as, is still trolling...period. Sure the comment may seem a bit innocuous. But the end result, especially in the situation where it was posted, will only have one result...thread disruption and flaming. I can't stand the Lakers and relish in any loss they have (the bigger the better), but that still doesn't make a comment like your's right.

What was hilarious about that entire game thread was the mormon bashing, Utah bashing, and the flame-war engaging attacks the Laker fans were posting throughout the thread that actually went without warning and interruption by one of their own mods (the guy that warned me). Then I go in, post "good game ", and I'm immediately warned and told to go back to my own board. I told him I didn't agree with what he was doing and he needed to mod his own teams fans as well, and I was actually baited over and over again to keep disagreeing with him and was called "big man". I've also seen the same acts by mods in the Portland and Denver forums as well. I'm sorry if I'm getting alot of your mods panties in a bunch, but what I'm stating is mere fact and other posters have seen the exact same. Look at replies in this thread and go over to the Jazz board and take a look to responses on MonkeyFeng's suspension. The mods DO abuse their power to the extent they warn you for silly stuff when you go into another teams forum, and let their own posters get away with absurd and ridiculous comments. How is it I get warned and told to go back to my own board in a Lakers thread for saying "good game" yet the mormon bashing, Utah and its people bashing are allowed??

And Flash3,

I think you misunderstood me. I know you don't get suspended outright, but a lot of the warnings given are ridiculous and are a double standard. You mods may not post around or may not even have to deal with any of it because your mods yourselves. I could prove my point in the next week and show you plenty of examples, but I don't want to face the same fate as MonkeyFeng who was WRONGLY waived.

Sorry if you mods get upset with what I'm saying or disagree, but you'll find I'm not the only one who feels this way and plenty of others have experienced it.

[de2nd]

This is a feedback and suggestion forum so I might as well leave a suggestion....

Mods, play it both ways. And if a poster comes into a thread after a game and makes a comment, instead of giving him a warning, just tell him within the thread to stop or stay on topic instead of just giving a warning which according to you guys lead up to suspensions.

Play it both ways. Especially the mods on the Denver, Lakers, and Portland boards.

[Flash3]

And Flash3,

I think you misunderstood me. I know you don't get suspended outright, but a lot of the warnings given are ridiculous and are a double standard. You mods may not post around or may not even have to deal with any of it because your mods yourselves. I could prove my point in the next week and show you plenty of examples, but I don't want to face the same fate as MonkeyFeng who was WRONGLY waived.

Sorry if you mods get upset with what I'm saying or disagree, but you'll find I'm not the only one who feels this way and plenty of others have experienced it.

Before we were awarded modship, we were posters just like you.

And, many of us post around the boards, not only on the boards we mod; for example; I'm basically all over; OTB, Media Lounge, NYK, LA, Orlando etc. -- You can find my posts just about everywhere, and this was wayyy before I became a mod.

There are certain mods that deal with issues in a certain manner based on the history of their boards, and only they know that. So, maybe the reason they gave you a warning, before saying otherwise, was because they probably know what could/will happen if they let it go?

When you have an issue with a mod, try and PM immediately to try and clear the air with him.

[KingInExile]

What was hilarious about that entire game thread was the mormon bashing, Utah bashing, and the flame-war engaging attacks the Laker fans were posting throughout the thread that actually went without warning and interruption by one of their own mods (the guy that warned me). Then I go in, post "good game ", and I'm immediately warned and told to go back to my own board. I told him I didn't agree with what he was doing and he needed to mod his own teams fans as well, and I was actually baited over and over again to keep disagreeing with him and was called "big man". I've also seen the same acts by mods in the Portland and Denver forums as well. I'm sorry if I'm getting alot of your mods panties in a bunch, but what I'm stating is mere fact and other posters have seen the exact same. Look at replies in this thread and go over to the Jazz board and take a look to responses on MonkeyFeng's suspension. The mods DO abuse their power to the extent they warn you for silly stuff when you go into another teams forum, and let their own posters get away with absurd and ridiculous comments. How is it I get warned and told to go back to my own board in a Lakers thread for saying "good game" yet the mormon bashing, Utah and its people bashing are allowed??

I was just pointing out that, on the surface, your post clearly would qualify as "trolling" and worthy of a warning IMO. Does that make the other circumstances you described right? No, absolutely not. But it is never wise to retaliate to questionable remarks with another questionable remark. Doing so just opens yourself to a warning or suspension. In the situation you described, it would have been better to send a PM to one of the Laker mods and complain about posters bashing Mormons or Utah in general. If that didn't get you anywhere, then send a PM to a global mod. But posting a retaliatory remark that could be interpreted as "trolling"...especially if there is a mod in the thread that appears to be letting the comments go...will only get yourself in trouble.

[de2nd]

See, I did not know that you could go to global mods. What's the difference between global and what not?

And flash, in the Lakers board case I did PM their mod and expressed my issue with them and I was actually baited, laughed at, and told to continue disagreeing with him.

[pineappleheadindc]

See, I did not know that you could go to global mods. What's the difference between global and what not?

And flash, in the Lakers board case I did PM their mod and expressed my issue with them and I was actually baited, laughed at, and told to continue disagreeing with him.

Hmmm....perhaps we need to think about a sticky or announcement on this board titled "What to do if you think you've been unfairly treated by a mod". And provide some information to posters on what to do.

Let me bring this up to the rest of the mod community and see what they think.

[LLcoleJ]

Since the Lakers board and Mods are in question here I would like to chime in.

As the self-proclaimed troll buster, I have no record of you getting a warning for anything on the Laker board. We take trolling very seriously because it is a common occurence, daily, weekly, etc..

To assert that we dont 'punish' our own is also a wrong assumption and further echos what many of us Mods are saying. There is a lot that goes on behind the scenes and on other boards that one single poster unless they shadowed another poster wouldnt have a clue as to why there were suspended or waived.

I had a conversation with another Jazz poster who brought to my attention of some inflamatory comments made about religion from a Laker poster and that poster was dealt with. After replying to the Jass poster he was satisfied with my actions and responses and it was clear I was there to help him (Jazz poster).

I dont know what problem you had with a Laker poster but if you have a problem with any poster or Mod on the Laker board, then do what the other Jazz Poster did and contact another Mod.

[Vator]

LOL at people complaining about mods not doing enough and then complaining about mods doing too much.

Back to the original topic right quick...let me add my 2 cents here. The thread in question was started March 5th. and the poster in question was suspended for 7 days on the 6th for an unprovoked personal attack as noted as early as the 2nd page of the thread. It wasn't like dude was just running rampant on the board "dissing everybody" from the 1st page to the last.

He came back after his suspension and immediately began posting in said thread and picked up where he left off. Keep in mind, this guy has a well documented history of being a problem everywhere he posts. He came back on the 13th, the crazy posts began on the 14th(Friday) at like 1am and continued well into the morning. Nobody reported any of these questionable or offensive posts...not one single report. I don't know about you but from 1 to 6am I probably am not on RealGM. In fact, Friday my daughter was sick and I had to take her to the doctor so I wasn't online as much as usual, but I did check in occasionaly for reported posts several times from my Treo...none.

Believe it or not, all of us don't have the time to read every single post, in every single thread, every single day, which is why the report button exists in the first place. I have a real life and real life issues at times. This guy went crazy for 24 hours and nobody even thought to click one simple button that could have ended it all. Instead people backseat modded and asked for the thread to be locked a few times when it should have been obvious that what was going on was being overlooked instead of ignored. Believe it or not, we are a team. We rely on other mature, responsible and intelligent posters to at times be our eyes and ears to combat idiocy. All it takes is one little click. That is your biggest weapon against a bad poster. Actually, there are two ways to get in touch with us. A simple PM would have also been helpful and productive. I was very shocked to see what had been going on in that thread Saturday morning and action was taken.

This is a perfect example of why you can't have it both ways. Moderators step in to prevent things from getting out of hand. When things get out of hand, people get offended and some go too far.

For the record, Monkeyfeng06 was not waived because of that thread. He didn't get a warning or even as much as a PM. The real culprit in that thread was dealt with and RealGM will be a better place now that he is no longer here.

[Pats19andO]

I volunteer to be a rocket mod

[kno]

de2nd, what was your previous account?

You keep blaming me for "banning you" (which I dont have the authority or power to do without consent from the administrators of the site), but going back through the Laker/Jazz game threads, I dont see it.

What was your old profile?