Blazers move up to #3!

[LakerFanMan]

You don't HAVE to take Mayo at 3, there are plenty of other very good players in this deep draft. Though Mayo, Roy, Aldridge, and Oden might be the best young core in the league. Fact is that the Outlaw/#13 combination is no where near good enough to warrant the 3rd pick in this draft.

[Wizenheimer]

You don't HAVE to take Mayo at 3, there are plenty of other very good players in this deep draft. Though Mayo, Roy, Aldridge, and Oden might be the best young core in the league. Fact is that the Outlaw/#13 combination is no where near good enough to warrant the 3rd pick in this draft.

I'm sure that's a fact, but that wasn't what was proposed in the OP

[Cruel_Ruin]

That deal is really bad for the wolves. You don't give up Mayo for roleplayers

[DowJones]

AZ, good post and I do agree with some of what you say. Portland can certainly wait, but I don't see anything magically happening for you guys. For example, I don't see a player like Devin Harris, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Danny Granger, etc all of a sudden becoming available for 60 cents on the dollar.....whether it be through a sign and trade or a trade in general. I am not saying that this is your plan, but usually the players that are available are guys like Baron Davis, Vince Carter, Richard Jefferson types....and I don't think that is what Portland wants.

I don't really want to put words in your mouth. When you say that something will "shake up", what do you mean by that? What type of player would Portland be looking for in a deal like that? Is it a home-run type of player like Granger, Paul, Williams, etc.....or do you really want one of those salary dumps like what Pau Gasol was?

[AZ BLAZER]

AZ, good post and I do agree with some of what you say. Portland can certainly wait, but I don't see anything magically happening for you guys. For example, I don't see a player like Devin Harris, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Danny Granger, etc all of a sudden becoming available for 60 cents on the dollar.....whether it be through a sign and trade or a trade in general. I am not saying that this is your plan, but usually the players that are available are guys like Baron Davis, Vince Carter, Richard Jefferson types....and I don't think that is what Portland wants.

I don't really want to put words in your mouth. When you say that something will "shake up", what do you mean by that? What type of player would Portland be looking for in a deal like that? Is it a home-run type of player like Granger, Paul, Williams, etc.....or do you really want one of those salary dumps like what Pau Gasol was?

There is a possibility that a restricted free agent this off season decides to take the QO to become a free agent. That would be guys from the 2004 draft; Deng, Gordon, Iggy, Josh Smith/Childress. No big time rookie contract guy has accepted the QO and gone on to become a free agent. It is possible this season. Of course, none of those players are PG's. The thing is, come July 1, Portland can talk to all of those players just like every other team. Portland could try to convince one to go back to their team and ask for a S & T. If the team refuses then the player may accept the QO or use that as leverage.

Portland will not be able to hit a home run with a Paul or Williams unless they begged for a trade. But still, those teams would send them anywhere but Portland.

You just never know if NJ may decide that Harris is not a good fit. On the 2009 free agent list are a lot of PF's. Portland might (doubtful) decide they could trade Aldridge for a PG and just sign a FA PF such as Boozer, Brand or Smith. Of course trading Aldridge would have to bring in a home run type PG.

Next season there are two franchise type PG's that will be in the draft; Rubio and Jennings. If they end up available to a team that already has a stud PG (Bulls), then Portland may be able to get into play there. It is more about being prepared and ready to move when the right opportunity presents itself. The Lakers did not go looking for a third team to help make their Gasol trade. They just struck while the Grizzlies were weak.

[cb4_89]

i officially hate outlaw/webster/jack/sergio. I don't see them as anything. I see sergio and jack equal to joey graha, and outlaw as an ok player with some potential. I hate webster and don't really see anything in him. Then I see all these trades where port fans go crazy when someone tries to trade for them (why they do I have no idea).

Like I will open a thread and see a trade equivalent to the raptors trading bargnani and ukic for the first overall pick and raptor fans going crazy saying how horrible it is.

[AZ BLAZER]

i officially hate outlaw/webster/jack/sergio. I don't see them as anything. I see sergio and jack equal to joey graha, and outlaw as an ok player with some potential. I hate webster and don't really see anything in him. Then I see all these trades where port fans go crazy when someone tries to trade for them (why they do I have no idea).

Like I will open a thread and see a trade equivalent to the raptors trading bargnani and ukic for the first overall pick and raptor fans going crazy saying how horrible it is.

I am sorry, did someone ask for your hatred or venom in this thread? It just proves that you know little about talent evaluation. Webster or Outlaw could be the starting SF for Toronto next year and put up the 20 ppg that your fan base covets. Very little doubt in my mind if they are given 35 minutes a game like most starters get. Outlaw put up 13+ and Webster 10+ on a good Portland team, and both guys are young. But you do not see this. You just hate on Portland because they do not want anything to do with TJ Ford and his spinal stenosis. I understand it, I just do not want to read it.

EDIT: Also, go ask Knicks fans what they think of Sergio. They would love to have him. I do not care for Jack, but some posters really like him. I just do not like him in Portland.

[loserX]

I am sorry, did someone ask for your hatred or venom in this thread? It just proves that you know little about talent evaluation. Webster or Outlaw could be the starting SF for Toronto next year and put up the 20 ppg that your fan base covets. Very little doubt in my mind if they are given 35 minutes a game like most starters get. Outlaw put up 13+ and Webster 10+ on a good Portland team, and both guys are young. But you do not see this. You just hate on Portland because they do not want anything to do with TJ Ford and his spinal stenosis. I understand it, I just do not want to read it.

Or maybe he thinks, as a lot of people do, that Webster jumping from 10+ to 20+ ppg next year is a huge stretch. The fact that there's very little doubt in YOUR mind doesn't mean everyone else has to agree.

Just because someone doesn't share your very optimistic prognosis about next year doesn't mean he "hates on Portland", or that he's bitter about TJ Ford, for pete's sake. He is just as entitled to his opinion as you are.

[AZ BLAZER]

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Or maybe he thinks, as a lot of people do, that Webster jumping from 10+ to 20+ ppg next year is a huge stretch. The fact that there's very little doubt in YOUR mind doesn't mean everyone else has to agree.

Just because someone doesn't share your very optimistic prognosis about next year doesn't mean he "hates on Portland", or that he's bitter about TJ Ford, for pete's sake. He is just as entitled to his opinion as you are.

So why don't we just make a "I hate player X" thread so that we can keep the real discussion moving along. Seriously, what did his post add to the conversation? And you are encouraging it?

Great, here goes;

I think Bargnani is a bust. A seven footer that can't shoot and that is supposed to be his skill. It seems his skill is being Italian and so he will be coddled by BC.

What is a Jamario Moon? Anthony Parker? Rasho? These guys are supposed to be legit NBA talents? There are very few rosters that they could be on other than the one they are on.

Do posters here really know what spinal stenosis is? If so, how do you think that TJ Ford has any trade value?

And Toronto sure does have an impressive list of trade chips; they are all expirings.

[loserX]

[quote="AZ BLAZER"][/quote]

We were discussing Webster, Outlaw and other Portland players. Portland players can be discussed in Portland threads. Toronto players can be discussed in Toronto threads. Surely even you see the difference.

I agree that his post didn't add much. But you really have to realize that just because someone doesn't think Webster is going to achieve stardom the way that you do, doesn't mean he's some idiot hater with a hidden agenda. None of us, including you, has a crystal ball. If you can't accept that people have different opinions about your team's players, you shouldn't be on these boards.

[AZ BLAZER]

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We were discussing Webster, Outlaw and other Portland players. Portland players can be discussed in Portland threads. Toronto players can be discussed in Toronto threads. Surely even you see the difference.

I agree that his post didn't add much. But you really have to realize that just because someone doesn't think Webster is going to achieve stardom the way that you do, doesn't mean he's some idiot hater with a hidden agenda. None of us, including you, has a crystal ball. If you can't accept that people have different opinions about your team's players, you shouldn't be on these boards.

Some people were discussing the merits of the trade. The Toronto fan was not. There was no mention of the trade, was there? He was just trying to find a way to work Bargnani into the discussion, why I do not know, and rail on Portlands players. I think he may just be drunk, who knows. But when he mentioned Bargnani he made the Toronto roster part of the discussion as well, right? Somehow he wanted to divert the discussion to include Bargnani.

I know mods have a tough enough job. They do not need to play scemantics, but his post was just an attack on Portlands roster. One would expect to be called out on that at some level. That is just the type of stuff meant to illicit a urinating contest.

[Tekkenlaw]

This is terrible for the wolves.

[VintaGe36]

[quote="Wizenheimer"][/quote]

Such a hypocritical post.

POR has said countless times they need to UPGRADE the PG spot, but now losing Blake is supposed to be some big hit?

If you honestly think taking Jaric and Bucker, while giving up Outlaw, Webster and #13 for Mayo is TOO much, I really DONT know what to tell you.

[schaffy]

Some people were discussing the merits of the trade. The Toronto fan was not. There was no mention of the trade, was there? He was just trying to find a way to work Bargnani into the discussion, why I do not know, and rail on Portlands players. I think he may just be drunk, who knows. But when he mentioned Bargnani he made the Toronto roster part of the discussion as well, right? Somehow he wanted to divert the discussion to include Bargnani.

I know mods have a tough enough job. They do not need to play scemantics, but his post was just an attack on Portlands roster. One would expect to be called out on that at some level. That is just the type of stuff meant to illicit a urinating contest.

He did mention Outlaw and Webster who were in the original trade proposal. And he gave his opinion on what he sees in those players (they may not be the same views you have).

And when he "worked Bargnani into the discussion" is was to make a comparsion to how he felt Blazers fans reacted to a trade. Not saying he is right or wrong or that I agree, but it is how he feels, and he has the right to that opinion. He did not try to divert the discussion, he gave an example.

[Spykes]

I'm not a big Mayo fan and I really have no desire to see the Blazers move up in this years draft. For those reasons, I'd pass on the deal.

[VintaGe36]

^Thats fair and reasonable, but to say its too much to give up from POR's side is just plain ignorant if you ask me.

[ponder276]

This deal makes zero sense for Minny, Mayo would be GREAT on their team, I literally could not imagine a better backcourt mate for Foye. Outlaw is so over-rated by Portland fans, he's basically a pure scorer and is one of the least efficient scorers in the league.

[Wizenheimer]

^Thats fair and reasonable, but to say its too much to give up from POR's side is just plain ignorant if you ask me.

I'm sorry, that statement doesn't make sense at all.

You're stipulating that it's "fair and "reasonable" to have a lower opinion of Mayo's value then some others do.

So that would have to extend to it being "fair and reasonable" to have a higher opinion of portland's assets then others.

It's all subjective opinion after all.

It seems what your saying is that it's only fair and reasonable to arrive at an equation you agree with.

Any other opinion is "ignorant".

Honestly, I don't agree with your defintion of ignorant, although I believe you've done a fair job of defining arrogant.

[Vindicater]

Unless it gets us a star, I dont think Minnesota will trade the #3 pick

[The Letter V]

TRBL for Minny. You don't trade a chance at a superstar for role players...especially on a rebuilding team.

Even value wise, it's terrible. However, I can undertand POR not making this trade if they don't like any of the top prospects as good fits on their team.