What do you guys think is a fair offer for Johan Santana?

HeelSox · Post #21 » by **HeelSox** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:50 pm

DOOOOO IT.

Pissed about giving Ellsbury, Lowrie, and especially Masterson...but it's freaking Johan Santana.

HeelSox · Post #22 » by **HeelSox** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:16 pm

C- Varitek
1B- Youkilis
2B- Pedroia
3B- Lowell
SS- Lugo
LF- Manny
CF- Coco
RF- Drew

K you've got a lineup there that won the division and made it to the world series...stays untouched...Drew will be his regular self unlike this past season...Lugo may still be a liability and coco is unpredictable but guarenteed gold glove defense.

now the pitching

Beckett
Santana
Schilling
Dice-K
Wakefield (or Buchholz/Tavarez)

I don't need to explain...that's sick right there.

greenbeans · Post #23 » by **greenbeans** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:51 pm

HeelSox wrote:C- Varitek
1B- Youkilis
2B- Pedroia
3B- Lowell
SS- Lugo
LF- Manny
CF- Coco
RF- Drew

K you've got a lineup there that won the division and made it to the world series...stays untouched...Drew will be his regular self unlike this past season...Lugo may still be a liability and coco is unpredictable but guarenteed gold glove defense.

now the pitching

Beckett
Santana
Schilling
Dice-K
Wakefield (or Buchholz/Tavarez)

I don't need to explain...that's sick right there.

shouldnt Ellsbury be your cf according to these latest reports?

HeelSox · Post #24 » by **HeelSox** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:18 pm

the way it sounds...we can't get him unless we give ellsbury...so I was agreeing with Bleeding Green.

Carpe Diem · Post #25 » by **Carpe Diem** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:12 am

MN fan living in Texas.

The writer linked above is a joke who has never successfully predicted squat. "Little Birdies tell him..." However, this is the deal I heard attributed to ESPN on my ride home from work 5:30 PM CST.

I have no problem with a Crisp, Lester, Lowrie, Masterson package, although I'd hold firm on Ellsbury if NYY/NYM/etc come up with a viable offer. At least force the inclusion of that big first base prospect mentioned earlier.

I also heard that the NYY were willing to include Hughes AND Kennedy (Fox radio, Chris ????....the guy who took over for Roy Firestone on HBO years ago).

The Mets seem most desparate for a frontline starter and a Reyes/Gomez package would secure Santana.

Should get interesting in the next week or so.

Post #26 » by **sunshinekids99** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:25 am

Carpe Diem wrote:.

The writer linked above is a joke who has never successfully predicted squat. "Little Birdies tell him..."
.

That may be the case. But he was right about the Young trade. He kept saying the deal would not die.

VinnyTheMick · Post #27 » by **VinnyTheMick** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:42 am

I still don't see how a deal not including Jacoby is even considered. I also wonder what Boston would do when Beckett wants the 22-25 million a year contract that Theo would no doubt have to shell out to Santana.

Not to mention I don't know how badly Santana would want to pitch in a park that doesn't favor him at all (career ERA near 7 at Fenway). Given his stats at Fenway I also gotta wonder if Theo would pay 25 million for a "road games only" ace.

wigglestrue · Post #28 » by **wigglestrue** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:52 am

VinnyTheMick wrote:(career ERA near 7 at Fenway).

Dude. Against the Red Sox.

schaffy · Post #29 » by **schaffy** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:09 am

The deal I like best is Johan to Boston for:
Elsbury
Lester
Jed Lowry

Here is a crazy idea:
Nathan and Santana for Elsbury, Lester, Buchholz, Jed Lowry, and one of either Will Middlebrooks/Michael Almanzar/Nick Hagadone

wigglestrue · Post #30 » by **wigglestrue** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:35 am

imlbj23 wrote:The deal I like best is Johan to Boston for:
Elsbury
Lester
Jed Lowry

Here is a crazy idea:
Nathan and Santana for Elsbury, Lester, Buchholz, Jed Lowry, and one of either Will Middlebrooks/Michael Almanzar/Nick Hagadone

That is definitely crazy.
Maybe if you "threw in" Delmon Young.

VinnyTheMick · Post #31 » by **VinnyTheMick** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:57 pm

wigglestrue wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Dude. Against the Red Sox.

& he has an ERA under 2 against the Yankees at Yankee Stadium

15th overall · Post #32 » by **15th overall** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:03 pm

VinnyTheMick wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

& he has an ERA under 2 against the Yankees at Yankee Stadium

Yea but the Yankees suck. It's far from a revelation, we've been saying that up here in Boston for years now.

On a sidenote, Santana's sweet goatee has gotta play a role in these negotitions. He can join the young defending world champs or play for an aging, Torre-less yanks AND have to axe that diesal facepiece? Seems like an easy choice to me.

daddyfivestar · Post #33 » by **daddyfivestar** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:25 pm

I find it funny that some Sox fans are saying no to both Lester and Bucholz, but in looking at the 5 man rote, they don't crack it.
Beckett/Johan/Schill/Dice/Wakefield - 2 hugely experienced clutch, winner old guys, and 3 sick studs.
Understood that Lester/Buch are the eventual replacements and depth, but there will be more young pitchers to come along and probably already have one or two in the farm for '10, '11.

Don't pass on Johan because of that:
Randy Johnson was 35 with 1 Cy when he was traded to Houston for 2 top young pitchers and 1 top prospect bat (Fredy Garcia, John Halama, Carlos Guillen). Unit won 4 of the next 5 Cy's!

Similar deal would be Buchholz, Lester, Ellsbury - and probably a 4th prospect (Lowrie?) since Johan is 28 and only 1 yr removed from his 2nd Cy imo.
Reason MIN has to demand Ellsbury isn't as much b/c he plays Center but they desperately need a lead-off hitter. He fills two needs.

wigglestrue · Post #34 » by **wigglestrue** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:45 pm

daddyfivestar wrote:Don't pass on Johan because of that:
Randy Johnson was 35 with 1 Cy when he was traded to Houston for 2 top young pitchers and 1 top prospect bat (Fredy Garcia, John Halama, Carlos Guillen). Unit won 4 of the next 5 Cy's!.

Dude, RJ was a FREAK.
He didn't even get started really until he was 29.

daddyfivestar · Post #35 » by **daddyfivestar** » Sat Dec 1, 2007 2:52 am

Unit was a known commodity all the way back to MTL, but he was also 22 when drated after 4yrs at SC.

GregB · Post #36 » by **GregB** » Sat Dec 1, 2007 5:32 am

I think Johan has another 3-4 very good years in him. I would say he is much closer to Pedro healthwise than The Unit. If we could get Johan without giving up Bucholz or Ellsbury. Its a no brainer.

GreenGrizz · Post #37 » by **GreenGrizz** » Sat Dec 1, 2007 9:59 pm

Let Santana go. We should go after Miguel Cabrera. With him in the line-up, we would kill Santana.

Post #38 » by **sunshinekids99** » Sun Dec 2, 2007 2:25 pm

GreenGrizz wrote:Let Santana go. We should go after Miguel Cabrera. With him in the line-up, we would kill Santana.

And who in the current lineup is gone?

Pugsley_2491 · Post #39 » by **Pugsley_2491** » Sun Dec 2, 2007 7:49 pm

i think you guys will have to give up ellsbury to get santana. i mean seriously lets look at this, why would the twins want coco? ellsbury is perfect to replace torii when coco is just, coco haha not the young stud like ellsbury to start rebuilding your team around. so it would prolly be something like ellsbury, lester, lowrie and or masterson to realistically get a deal done. i would probably do that if i were the sox because just think about that DEVASTATING starting 5.

GreenGrizz · Post #40 » by **GreenGrizz** » Sun Dec 2, 2007 9:31 pm

Yeah, SunshineKid99, I see your point. The pitchers are more important. It is Manny I am really worried about. Cabrera's bat somehow can bring back the old memories of Manny but what position can he actually play? Youk can play three or four positions. I know he just won the Gold Glove award at 1B.