Does Phelps juice?

hermes · Post #21 » by **hermes** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:23 pm

kevC wrote:
tkunit wrote:If I was one of the girls on the team, I'd be trying to drink his juice. He is crushing everyone

Agreed. The question isn't "Does Phelps juice?" It's "Should we juice Phelps?"

hermes · Post #22 » by **hermes** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:24 pm

BlackMamba wrote:he doesn't juice, he eats 12000 calories every day!!!!

when does he have time to eat all that, he has to weight an hour before swimming right?

Post #23 » by **5DOM** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:16 pm

hermes wrote:
BlackMamba wrote:he doesn't juice, he eats 12000 calories every day!!!!

when does he have time to eat all that, he has to weight an hour before swimming right?

he eats 5 times a day, and he said that that is pretty much all he does other than swimming and sleeping.

this guy is a workhorse

Point forward · Post #24 » by **Point forward** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:25 pm

Phelps is a freak of nature regarding regeneration. Either he takes some kind of super EPO, or he simply got lucky in the gene game... AND he is supremely talented ofcoz. No one finishes the 400m Medley at 4:20 at age FIFTEEN :O

Al n' Perk No Layups! · Post #25 » by **Al n' Perk No Layups!** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:57 pm

fame wrote:I don't want to take anything away from Michael Phelps. He's dominating the competition, and seems unstoppable.

But could it be possible that he's taking some substance that hasn't been discovered/banned yet. It's just unreal for somebody to be that dominant and not have any added "help"

Look at McGwire and then Bonds in baseball...They were crushing the ball like no one has ever before. It was unreal at the time as well. All of a sudden, years after they broke there homerun records, the HGH scandal appeared.

Phelps isn't the only one crushing records, if it was juice than every swimmer is juicing. It's the suits and the pool.

Blame Rasho · Post #26 » by **Blame Rasho** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:17 pm

Nope... he gets tested after every race....

nesta · Post #27 » by **nesta** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:28 am

I say the reason why Phelps is fast is a mix between the new speedo LZRS and the pool. The pool is juiced like the 1996 track, where MJ crushed the 200 M WR and Bailey got the WR. The Speedo LZRS cut off 2 seconds every 50 meters i think.

If Phelps juices, he probably would be caught, since the drug tests he volunteered for are kept for a long time, so he would get caught like other 2000 Olympians. I don't think he juices though, he volunteered to get tested and would look like a fool if he got caught.

Blame Rasho · Post #28 » by **Blame Rasho** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:48 am

Phelps is perfectly tall and short...lol

His upper body is that of a person who is 6'8 and his lower body is that of a person who is 6'0.

Post #29 » by **UCFJayBird** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:04 am

Blame Rasho wrote:Phelps is perfectly tall and short...lol

His upper body is that of a person who is 6'8 and his lower body is that of a person who is 6'0.

Don't forget his heart pumps twice as much blood as the average man! Or that he burns 4000 calories in a single workout!

Post #30 » by **Cowology** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:27 am

Or that his torso forms a V and he has large feet. 8-)

High 5 · Post #31 » by **High 5** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:36 am

And his hands are like dinner plates?

That's the last thing I could remember.

bling_singh · Post #32 » by **bling_singh** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:56 am

he eats lots of beans for jet propulsion

Rocky5000 · Post #33 » by **Rocky5000** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:23 pm

This is what I have heard so far.........He has size 14 feet like flippers, the lower body of a 6' tall man giving him incredible power off from the wall, and the upper body of a 6'8" man which allows him to take gigantic strokes, he has an enormous wingspan of 6'7", three inches longer than he is tall, hands like dinner plates, DOUBLE JOINTED KNEES and ELBOWS (wtf!), and very flexible ankles.

I don't think he needs to juice, but his father may be aquaman.

LLJ · Post #34 » by **LLJ** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:32 pm

I can't even try to work out the complexities of how things work backstage for drug tests, but when it was revealed that those people in the USOC managed to cover up Carl Lewis' positive drug tests prior to his Olympic run in 1988, we had to know that this **** can go really deep into the upper echelons of the state. WHo knows if there isn't another way for some of the higher ups (including the state) to cover up for Phelps.

The bottom line is Phelps is a big marketing entity and that's something you want to keep clean. Was Marion Jones as big a marketing entity? She was a winner, but I'm not sure she really captured the American public's mind like Phelps has.

And remember, Jones came out and spoke out against doping as well, PRIOR to her getting caught. So just because Phelps willing gets tested and speaks out against it, doesn't mean he's not doing it.

Basically what I'm saying is, America has the clout and power to cover the tracks of a top commodity if they really need to. And now China probably does too. I'm sure if Phelps is doping he knows he will never get caught; many of the TOP Chinese athletes might get away with it too. Occasionally a big superpower will allow one of their athletes to get disgraced, but if a marketing superstar in China like Wang Wei is doping, he might be covered up just as well as someone like Phelps might be.

Smaller countries can't get away with it as well since they don't have the power and clout like superpowers do.

And slightly OT, a lot of people were claiming that McGuire and Bonds were genetic freaks as well. No doubt they would still be very good without drugs, but would they be as unbelievable as they were without it. Would some of those home runs come up just a little shorter than a home run? Who knows.

All I know is, I've seen a lot of naturally dominant athletes, but they've almost always excelled in many tight situations. Even Mark Spitz, from the footage I've seen, sometimes only beat the next best swimmer by a slim margin. Guys who are outclassing others by such a large margin, whether by 15-20 feet in the pool, or by smacking 50-60 more home runs in a season than the majority of other baseball players, has to be seen as suspicious.

who_me_123 · Post #35 » by **who_me_123** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:45 pm

Rocky5000 wrote:This is what I have heard so far.........He has size 14 feet like flippers, the lower body of a 6' tall man giving him incredible power off from the wall, and the upper body of a 6'8" man which allows him to take gigantic strokes, he has an enormous wingspan of 6'7", three inches longer than he is tall, hands like dinner plates, DOUBLE JOINTED KNEES and ELBOWS (wtf!), and very flexible ankles.

I don't think he needs to juice, but his father may be aquaman.

I tend to subscribe to this theory!!!

High 5 · Post #36 » by **High 5** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:51 pm

He needs to get together with one of these good looking swimming chicks and have fish babies that can dominate the Olympics for years to come.

Rasho Brezec · Post #37 » by **Rasho Brezec** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:03 pm

High 5 wrote:He needs to get together with one of these good looking swimming chicks and have fish babies that can dominate the Olympics for years to come.

I'd bet the babies would have gills.

Mike Hunt · Post #38 » by **Mike Hunt** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:51 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if he was juicing (or Bernard from France. That guy is scary big) but I'll say that about pretty much anyone in the olympics nowadays... Yesterday, I watched a Jamaican guy get off to a so-so start in the 100m dash, open up a massive lead by the 50m mark and coast into the finish line looking at other runners and the crowd with a measly time of 9.92. That is absolutely ridiculous. If he races his best for an entire race, I wouldn't be surprised to see the already low world record (9.72) go down by more than a tenth of a second. Hell, he might run close to 9.50.

Al n' Perk No Layups! · Post #39 » by **Al n' Perk No Layups!** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:03 pm

LLJ wrote:I can't even try to work out the complexities of how things work backstage for drug tests, but when it was revealed that those people in the USOC managed to cover up Carl Lewis' positive drug tests prior to his Olympic run in 1988, we had to know that this **** can go really deep into the upper echelons of the state. WHo knows if there isn't another way for some of the higher ups (including the state) to cover up for Phelps.

Carl Lewis tested positive for Pseudoephedrine, Ephedrine and Phenylpropanolamine. Stuff found in cold medicines. Pseudoephedrine increases alertness, but not significantly because it only has a minimal effect on the CNS. Ephedrine is another alertness increaser. Phenylpropanolamine you can use to synthesize other drugs such as amphetamine, I don't know of any advantages it can give you. Pseudoephedrine and Ephedrine can be used to make meth.

We're not exactly talking about anabolic steroids here. There's not some Gov't conspiracy to cover this up, and yes Marion Jones was a big marketing commodity.

Heat3 · Post #40 » by **Heat3** » Sat Aug 16, 2008 3:08 am

The only athletes who capture an kind of attention in America play in the NBA, MLB, and NFL. Then you add Tiger Woods and a few tennis players (Williams sisters, Federer and Sharapova). Finally you have NASCAR drivers. I can't think of anyone else in sports that has any real media influence in America. NHL is very low on the radar.

Olympians only get coverage during the Olympics and maybe just a little after should they win. So, was Marion Jones big in the USA? Yes, but only in Olympic years.

USA isn't like China or other communist countries where national teams are highly centralized. In fact I'm surprised they manage to come up with a standard uniform for Olympics.