Golden State/Phoenix Compromise

[turk3d]

If Curry is truly the issue that's holding it up, then I could something like this (the original deal posted), the ridiculous one that got re-posted in another thread. If Suns fans were angry about the first one, I can imagine how much this one must disturb them.

[NashtyNas]

as a PHX fan, i barely do the Amare deal WITH Curry in it... adding Barbosa (whom we hold in very high value) is just waaaay to much. Not much of a compromise.

Yeah, the deal with Curry for Amar'e makes sense, but we're not giving you Barbosa for crap just to get Curry. Richardson, on the other hand, you can have him for Claxton + fillers if that means us getting Curry.

Biedrins + Azubuike + Wright + Curry + Claxton + Turiaf for Lopez + Richardson + Stoudemire + Tucker


BUT, anyhow, there's no deal happening. We're keeping Amar'e if your best offer is Beans/Belly/Wright, and that's how it's going to be. So you can be happy being a mediocre team and keeping your glut of guards, while we'll try and retool and get Chandler and make some changes to try and make the playoffs. Adios.

[old rem]

as a PHX fan, i barely do the Amare deal WITH Curry in it... adding Barbosa (whom we hold in very high value) is just waaaay to much. Not much of a compromise.

Yeah, the deal with Curry for Amar'e makes sense, but we're not giving you Barbosa for crap just to get Curry. Richardson, on the other hand, you can have him for Claxton + fillers if that means us getting Curry.

Biedrins + Azubuike + Wright + Curry + Claxton + Turiaf for Lopez + Richardson + Stoudemire + Tucker


BUT, anyhow, there's no deal happening. We're keeping Amar'e if your best offer is Beans/Belly/Wright, and that's how it's going to be. So you can be happy being a mediocre team and keeping your glut of guards, while we'll try and retool and get Chandler and make some changes to try and make the playoffs. Adios.

You keep him
You pay him
It was a bad Idea at best...and your "twist" is just more twisted and awful than the rest.
keep him...assuming that's in his plans.

[ecuhus1981]

Am I the only one who thinks that all these Warrior trades are overpaying?

No. There isn't a single offer on the table that PHX has received that is even close to Biedrins/Wright/Belinelli/Curry. I mean, the Wolves were asking for less from the Warriors for friggin' KG!

Biedrins/Wright/Belinelli ALONE (i.e. without Curry) is probably the best standing offer the Suns have fielded, and I'd be surprised if a better one ever comes along.

[marthafokker]

You anti the offer with JRich to GSW, Claxton is out then... and Mags is in.
Talk about bad contract for bad contract....

Like "Nicky Nix Nook" said... GSW overpaid. Best to play chicken with the Suns. Go find a better offer some where else then... or resign Amare to the max yourrselves (oh, Kerr doesn't want to.... )

[old rem]

As for being mediocre......we have nobody whos about to walk or retire..everyone on the roster managed a 20 pt game except new guy ,Law perhaps. We had the youngest team in the league and scored a bunch anyhow. Every year,everyone gets more experiance. ask Portland if that seems to work.

[St.Nick]

Randolph is going to be a 15/10 guy next season. So I'm not really tripping if we don't get Amare. Although I'd be thrilled if we got him for Andris/Marco/Brandan.

If we do get him, we're a lock for a top-5 seed next year. If we don't, we'll scratch our way into the playoffs the year after with a really young, talented.

Either way, its fine.

[Ian Kognitow]

You anti the offer with JRich to GSW, Claxton is out then... and Mags is in.
Talk about bad contract for bad contract....

Like "Nicky Nix Nook" said... GSW overpaid. Best to play chicken with the Suns. Go find a better offer some where else then... or resign Amare to the max yourrselves (oh, Kerr doesn't want to.... )

I'm not judging your position, but since every significant transaction made by Kerr has been bad--and often ridiculously bad--for the Suns, that might not be the best bit of support for your claim.

[turk3d]

You guys think you're going to be in the playoffs this year? You'll be scraping for an eigth seed even with Amare. You think you're going to be a better team with Ben Wallace than you were with Shaq (and didn't make it last year)? You think your owner is going to give Amare a max extension? He's too cheap to even resign Matt Barnes who'd only be a paltry 2-3 million. You guys are simply dreaming. You'd have a better shot at making the playoffs with Biedrins, Wright and Belinelli probably. The Warriors will be a playoff team this year with or without Amare.

[rsavaj]

You guys think you're going to be in the playoffs this year? You'll be scraping for an eigth seed even with Amare. You think you're going to be a better team with Ben Wallace than you were with Shaq (and didn't make it last year)? You think your owner is going to give Amare a max extension? He's too cheap to even resign Matt Barnes who'd only be a paltry 2-3 million. You guys are simply dreaming. You'd have a better shot at making the playoffs with Biedrins, Wright and Belinelli probably. The Warriors will be a playoff team this year with or without Amare.

You really think the Dubs have a better shot at the playoffs then Phoenix does if they keep their roster together? Wow.

[turk3d]

You guys think you're going to be in the playoffs this year? You'll be scraping for an eigth seed even with Amare. You think you're going to be a better team with Ben Wallace than you were with Shaq (and didn't make it last year)? You think your owner is going to give Amare a max extension? He's too cheap to even resign Matt Barnes who'd only be a paltry 2-3 million. You guys are simply dreaming. You'd have a better shot at making the playoffs with Biedrins, Wright and Belinelli probably. The Warriors will be a playoff team this year with or without Amare.

You really think the Dubs have a better shot at the playoffs then Phoenix does if they keep their roster together? Wow.

Phoenix is not keeping their roster together (already started with Shaq and Barnes and I suspect will continue). So absolutely. If you keep things as they are currently, it wouldn't surprise me if we were both fighting for the 8th slot come seasons end. All our players will be one year older with one more year of experience.

AR and AB will both be physically bigger and stronger and Monta should be 100%. Jack and Maggette will also be healed as will BWright who'll also be a year older. Azubuike will be in his 4th year and now a seasoned vet and we'll have a proven Morrow from the start and now know what he's capable of. In addition, we have Curry who although in his first year should be able to give us depth at the PG spot. We still should be in a pretty good position to pick up some additional help, with all the depth we have.

Phoenix, on the other hand looks like they will be in a cost cutting mode, which limits what they can do as far as strengthening their team goes. Any moves you make (outsided of ours) will likely add salary which will further put you in luxury tax mode which your owner is unlikely to go for.

[lilfishi22]

The Suns still have options. STAT won't go anywhere unless he knows he's gonna get a max extension from the team he's going to. If you guys don't offer him a max extension, he's not going to leave. I think we're waiting to see what other teams are willing to offer STAT an extension. If there are no other team willing to offer him a max extension then we'll offer him the best offer available. With the salary cap set, we're going to see what happens now. If you guys offer STAT a max extension then he's going to where the money is and we'll do the Beans + fillers trade. Otherwise it's better for us to keep STAT, offer him an extension and either move Wallace for Chandler or just buy him out.

Shaq and Barnes are a different case, we weren't going to win with Shaq and with his 20mill still in the books, we decided it was best to move him for either some relief or talent to keep this team competitive. With Barnes, I don't think our FO really intended to keep him here long term, he was a huge steal for us when he signed for the min but we had no intention of giving him the contract he was playing for.

[turk3d]

It wouldn't surprise me if the Warriors did offer him a max deal (haven't yet) but I hope they don't. Even then, it would be up to Phoenix to do the deal. No way Amare can force him as he's still under contract to you this year. As for whether he's willing to give up an even bigger extension next year (as well as his ability to opt out if things don't go well this year in Phoenix) I'm not sure he'd be willing to do that. He'd make more money potentially no doubt if hes willing to wait a year. I think this year the max he could get is 5 years whereas next year it will be 6. It will really be up to he and his agent to decide. Just adds more suspense to the whole thing.

[old rem]

With every tick of the clock.....GSW thinks over this and the reality says BAIL OUT.

IF....there was an Amare deal where GSW is NOT losing the one effective real C of the last 20 yr or paying in $ and talent to get a guy who is MAJOR injury risk and MAJOR $$$$$ hit.....

That the alleged "fillers" are more than we hope for in the next 2-3 drafts...just F's it up more.

I'm sad that GSW has not TOTALLY pulled thje plug on the whole concept.

[old rem]

It wouldn't surprise me if the Warriors did offer him a max deal (haven't yet) but I hope they don't. Even then, it would be up to Phoenix to do the deal. No way Amare can force him as he's still under contract to you this year. As for whether he's willing to give up an even bigger extension next year (as well as his ability to opt out if things don't go well this year in Phoenix) I'm not sure he'd be willing to do that. He'd make more money potentially no doubt if hes willing to wait a year. I think this year the max he could get is 5 years whereas next year it will be 6. It will really be up to he and his agent to decide. Just adds more suspense to the whole thing.

Amare will ASSUME Max $$$$$ is there. As he is not an older player...the diff in a 5 yr or 6 yr max deal may not matter much.

GSW however is loaded with 4-5 yr deals at 9-11 mill EACH and if the worst of those stay...and the best of those gets boosted to a MUCH bigger deal+a year ....then GSW is in the mode of make do with this because there's no way to tweak it.

I do like Amare but when the terms are that MAYBE we break even...maybe we are screwed...I can't buy it.

[lilfishi22]

I don't like the deal on the Suns end, but even for the W's end, I don't see it at all being that beneficial. I won't lie, I don't think the W's chances of getting into the playoffs is that great, even with STAT I don't think the W's will make noise in the playoffs even if they make it. IMO for a team that's not set up to make noise in the playoffs, Amare is not worth the contract he's asking for. He's more harm than good. Kinda like Shaq and his contract was for my Suns.

[St.Nick]

I don't like the deal on the Suns end, but even for the W's end, I don't see it at all being that beneficial. I won't lie, I don't think the W's chances of getting into the playoffs is that great, even with STAT I don't think the W's will make noise in the playoffs even if they make it. IMO for a team that's not set up to make noise in the playoffs, Amare is not worth the contract he's asking for. He's more harm than good. Kinda like Shaq and his contract was for my Suns.

Monta Ellis is a legit 20+ppg scorer that can be unstoppable many nights
S-Jax is a proven badass, especially in the playoffs
Randolph is a rising star
Amare is an all-star

Supporting players:

Curry-- hard to judge a rookie, but he looks pretty damned NBA ready
Maggette-- Elite bench scorer
Morrow-- Reigning 3pt shooting champion
Turiaf-- Fantastic Sub at Center
Azubuike-- Good shooter, good scorer, good rebounder

To me, this team looks like it could make some noise in the playoffs. I think they would at least be on Dallas' level, perhaps higher though.