[Camelo Thread Part 17] - Denver makes trade offer p58

[Dr. Detfink]

I still think Donnie is having problems putting this trade together. First, allegedly he thinks he can get a first rounder for Anthony Randolph *snicker* well, if that's true why hasn't he? Every thing seems to point that Kahn is being stubborn in helping the Knicks land Melo.

The Nuggets want Chandler and Fields. They have no interest in Gallo. And Denver will cave at the deadline.

[nytonm]

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-02-13/sports/sc-spt-0213-notes-heisler-nba--20110213-6_1_lakers-sources-chris-broussard-trade

Article about espn basically making up the Melo/Bynum story. The nuggets have no other options. We need to stand pat at wilson and ar (and 20 million in savings), if they don't go for it then we can add Gallo or Fields on the final day. If that's not enough then we make other moves, wait till the summer, and sign him then.

[Justdatdude]

But he didn't make the story up. He didn't say an offer was made either. He said calls were made between the two teams about a deal centered around Carmelo and Bynum and it was basically them revisiting the discussions they had last Summer. He didn't even say a trade was close and even after reporting it, he said he doubts it'll happen.

Why does it seem like every Knick fan on this board is mad at the world and is out to discredit someone famous at any chance they can get? Is there anybody in the media that is respected besides David Aldridge?

[BLACKFEET 2010]

"So it's hard to say, when your superstar is about to be moved. For them, it's kind of hard to worry about my situation." Denver Post

That's JR (don't call me Earl) talking.

[nytonm]

But he didn't make the story up. He didn't say an offer was made either. He said calls were made between the two teams about a deal centered around Carmelo and Bynum and it was basically them revisiting the discussions they had last Summer. He didn't even say a trade was close and even after reporting it, he said he doubts it'll happen.

Why does it seem like every Knick fan on this board is mad at the world and is out to discredit someone famous at any chance they can get? Is there anybody in the media that is respected besides David Aldridge?

Dude read the article... I said espn made up the story, nothing about Brussard lying in his initial report. I don't even know how you gleamed all of that from the one sentance I wrote about the article but whatever...

[Justdatdude]

But he didn't make the story up. He didn't say an offer was made either. He said calls were made between the two teams about a deal centered around Carmelo and Bynum and it was basically them revisiting the discussions they had last Summer. He didn't even say a trade was close and even after reporting it, he said he doubts it'll happen.

Why does it seem like every Knick fan on this board is mad at the world and is out to discredit someone famous at any chance they can get? Is there anybody in the media that is respected besides David Aldridge?

Dude read the article... I said espn made up the story, nothing about Brussard lying in his initial report. I don't even know how you gleamed all of that from the one sentance I wrote about the article but whatever...

Read my post again.

[RHODEY]

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-02-13/sports/sc-spt-0213-notes-heisler-nba--20110213-6_1_lakers-sources-chris-broussard-trade

Article about espn basically making up the Melo/Bynum story. The nuggets have no other options. We need to stand pat at wilson and ar (and 20 million in savings),

Agreed but if they dont like the 1st deal then f them and Melo.

[nytonm]

Read my post again.

Huh? Yeah i lost you dude. You said I was trying to discredit someone famous, I'm gonna assume you were talking about Brussard. I didn't mention him at all though, I said that espn made it up, right after I posted an article about how espn took a possibly true but ultimately meaningless report from Brussard and made up a story with it.

Agreed but if they dont like the 1st deal then f them and Melo.

Yeah I'm really debating giving up more than our initial offer. Melo is surrounded by a deep and talented team right now that was built for him and they're not good enough to win it all. I don't really know if we'd be that much better than the nuggets are now if we were to add melo to our current roster. And people are so eager to give up major parts of that roster and cap ourselves out in the process? When there is a very good chance we don't have to? I don't get it.

[moocow007]

Carmelo Anthony needs to come out and say publicly, That he wants to be traded to us, AND that he will not sign the Extension with Denver. If he REALLY wanted to be in NY then he will do this, Then Denver will have no choice but to trade him. Who cares if he gets fined, He's going to be making 65 + Million over the next 4 Years. He can afford it.

Because all of this talk about Carmelo is getting impatient with us is Stupid. Listen if you really want to be a Knick. and You know that the possibility of Denver holding onto you is still lingering. Then by all means you Come out publicly.

-Ant

He comes out and says this and thered be no reason for the Knicks to up his offer and less of a reason for the Nuggets to trade him.

[knicks9784]

Carmelo Anthony needs to come out and say publicly, That he wants to be traded to us, AND that he will not sign the Extension with Denver. If he REALLY wanted to be in NY then he will do this, Then Denver will have no choice but to trade him. Who cares if he gets fined, He's going to be making 65 + Million over the next 4 Years. He can afford it.

Because all of this talk about Carmelo is getting impatient with us is Stupid. Listen if you really want to be a Knick. and You know that the possibility of Denver holding onto you is still lingering. Then by all means you Come out publicly.

-Ant

come on, that would be the most classless thing melo could do. lets remember the nuggets have given him over 80 million dollars in his career. i think he can keep his mouth shut while THEY try to accommodate HIM

[nytonm]

He comes out and says this and thered be no reason for the Knicks to up his offer and less of a reason for the Nuggets to trade him.

I disagree, our current offer is better than taking nothing if you're the nuggets. It might not look good to Uriji but I'm sure that 20 million looks good to kronke.

[nytonm]

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[moocow007]

He comes out and says this and thered be no reason for the Knicks to up his offer and less of a reason for the Nuggets to trade him.

I disagree, our current offer is better than taking nothing if you're the nuggets. It might not look good to Uriji but I'm sure that 20 million looks good to kronke.

Notice i said "less of a reason" as far as Denver accepting not "no reason" in that regards.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

He comes out and says this and thered be no reason for the Knicks to up his offer and less of a reason for the Nuggets to trade him.

I disagree, our current offer is better than taking nothing if you're the nuggets. It might not look good to Uriji but I'm sure that 20 million looks good to kronke.

Better than nothing? Denver has options, first being a trade to a team looking for a rental with hopes of signing Melo long-term.

[shrink]

Privately, Minnesota officials believe they will acquire Randolph before the All-Star break, but believe it will more likely be as part of a straight- up deal with New York in which Minnesota gives up a late first-round pick, takes on Roger Mason, and then waives him.

Now take a closer look at the statement from last week:

On the same day Carmelo Anthony said he'd consider signing a contract extension with the Denver Nuggets if they don't trade him, Timberwolves basketball boss David Kahn called his team's reported part in a three-way deal with Denver and New York involving Anthony "overstated."

Translated, that means an ESPN report last weekend that the Wolves would send a first-round pick and Corey Brewer to Denver to receive Knicks little-used forward Anthony Randolph and accept Eddy Curry's huge, expiring contract is too much to give.

"We were asked if there would be a way to participate in the event the other two teams could reach a deal and there likely could be," he said.

I don't buy the translation at all, that Anthony Randolph (and maybe Rautins) has nearly enough trade value to nab that cap space and Brewer and the Utah pick.

[vallen]

Privately, Minnesota officials believe they will acquire Randolph before the All-Star break, but believe it will more likely be as part of a straight- up deal with New York in which Minnesota gives up a late first-round pick, takes on Roger Mason, and then waives him.

Now take a closer look at the statement from last week:

On the same day Carmelo Anthony said he'd consider signing a contract extension with the Denver Nuggets if they don't trade him, Timberwolves basketball boss David Kahn called his team's reported part in a three-way deal with Denver and New York involving Anthony "overstated."

Translated, that means an ESPN report last weekend that the Wolves would send a first-round pick and Corey Brewer to Denver to receive Knicks little-used forward Anthony Randolph and accept Eddy Curry's huge, expiring contract is too much to give.

"We were asked if there would be a way to participate in the event the other two teams could reach a deal and there likely could be," he said.

I don't but the translation at all, that Anthony Randolph (and maybe Rautins) has nearly enough trade value to nab that cap space and Brewer and the Utah pick.

im not sure what you mean, or what that last sentence means, but Kahn said hes not trading Brewer...

[Jitpal]

Privately, Minnesota officials believe they will acquire Randolph before the All-Star break, but believe it will more likely be as part of a straight- up deal with New York in which Minnesota gives up a late first-round pick, takes on Roger Mason, and then waives him.

Now take a closer look at the statement from last week:

On the same day Carmelo Anthony said he'd consider signing a contract extension with the Denver Nuggets if they don't trade him, Timberwolves basketball boss David Kahn called his team's reported part in a three-way deal with Denver and New York involving Anthony "overstated."

Translated, that means an ESPN report last weekend that the Wolves would send a first-round pick and Corey Brewer to Denver to receive Knicks little-used forward Anthony Randolph and accept Eddy Curry's huge, expiring contract is too much to give.

"We were asked if there would be a way to participate in the event the other two teams could reach a deal and there likely could be," he said.

I don't but the translation at all, that Anthony Randolph (and maybe Rautins) has nearly enough trade value to nab that cap space and Brewer and the Utah pick.

We'll see what happens but don't underestimate Rautins. We all know Kahn has a thing for PGs. -JItpal

[shrink]

What is the real cost of taking on Curry for MIN? We had a discussion on the trade board, and I don't know if it got over here as well -- I didn't read the NYK thread yesterday, so I thought I'd bring it up.

If I recall what Kosmo posted about three locked threads ago, Curry's prepaid money needs to be repaid if he is traded, because NYK can't pay a guy to play for someone else .. the $3 mil in cash is all they can add to a deal. It makes sense that it's disallowed for a team to pay a player to play on another team. If allowed, a team could instantly raise the trade value of all its players, simply by being in such a good financial position, that they pay them all off at the beginning of the season. Even an injured $3 mil player would have trade value if already paid, and a team tosses $3 mil in cash on top. I don't think they could give that kind of an advantage to teams.

Anyway, the actual dollar costs would simplify to Curry's pro-rated salary remaining on this contract, plus his trade kicker. I don't know what the exact pro-rating is at this point of the season, but if we guess 30%, his cost would be

$3.4 mil (11,276,863 x 30%)
$0.6 mil (pro-rated trade kicker)
$4.0 mil

Note that this is the real cost in dollars. NYK can throw in $3 mil to kock it down to $1 mil, but MIN isn't trading dollars .. they are trading the valuable cap space. Even if NYK could offer $4 mil to cover it all, MIN doesn't break even - they lost the opportunity to trade the cap space elsewhere. In other words, if they declined the deal, and STILL didn't find a deal with anyone, they would still have the same financial savings doing nothing.

Also, this is an unequal distribution of benefit. Even if you could net zero the cash, and net zero the opportunity cost, does it seem like a fair trade for MIN to throw in the the key component for the right to pick up Anthony Randolph's contract, when DEN $20 million dollars, and get NYK Melo?


I don't think we've seen the offer the would encourage MIN to be involved in this deal with their cap space. Anthony Randolph doesn't have that kind of trade value, to get the cap space, cover the unequal distribution of assets, give up the opportunity costs, and pay an extra $1 million on top of it.

[shrink]

im not sure what you mean, or what that last sentence means, but Kahn said hes not trading Brewer...

Right. I mean the he middle paragraph .. the "translation" is not what is being said.

Translated, that means an ESPN report last weekend that the Wolves would send a first-round pick and Corey Brewer to Denver to receive Knicks little-used forward Anthony Randolph and accept Eddy Curry's huge, expiring contract is too much to give.

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