Trading the #2 pick - dicussion (merged)

[BigSlam]

lin and davis would be good in the pick and roll under sloan. that much is certain.

that being said, i don't think we can trade our 1st round pick for 2013 since we technically owe that pick to chicago. we could only trade the portland pick, which doesnt have as much value.

if i was the hornets i probably wouldnt even think of trading that pick to the bobcats. i'm sure there are better offers from teams with more assets. but just for fun, if i was the hornets and i had to trade davis to the bobcats i would ask for
#2 pick in 2012
portland's pick in 2013
and biyombo

If I were them I would make us take back Okafor and his horrible contract.

[bobcats3wallace]

I think the Toronto situation is one to pay attention to. Rumors have it they are looking for a wing player, specifically Rudy Gay or Andrea Iguadala and are more than willing to trade their 8th overall pick. Kurt Helin with NBC Sports seems to think that Memphis will want #8 plus some. Personally, I kind of question that. Sure they want value back, but I think with what that contract is it would be extremely beneficial to them just to shed it. Especially if you consider the fact Gay doesn't fit with the team they have right now. So Helin proposes a deal such as this:

8 + Ed Davis + Calderon for Gay. He even suggests that may not be enough. However here is where we may fit in. We have enough cap space (we are projected to have a 43 million dollar pay roll) that we could take the contract of Calderon without having to give anything else. Before everyone freaks, Calderon has one year left on his deal so he is simply an expiring contract and could actually fill a need when DJ leaves. In exchange for Calderon we could see if we could pry 8 from them. Memphis would be motived, I think, because they would basically be getting rid of Gay's contract and it would put them almost 12 million under the cap. That would give them space to sign a marquee guy, or resign their own guy in OJ. I don't know how they value Gay though, and that will be the key. Would they be happy to simply get rid of his huge contract and call it a day or do they want actual value in return? Here is what I would propose.

Gay for Ed Davis, James Johnson, Jose Calderon, 8th pick. Then flip Calderon and 8th to Charlotte for the cap space.

Toronto gets their guy in Gay, who they believe will make a good pair with Derozen and Andrea. Memphis clears all the money allowing them to be flexible while also adding young prospects that have shown promise ( I actually think the addition of Ed Davis and Johnson would be more beneficial for them than Gay based on how Gay has shown he does not fit with that team). For us obviously we get the 8th pick. I THINK Toronto would be okay with giving up Davis and Johnson just because I think they really do think Gay, Derozon, and Andrea would be a good pairing.

I think with 2 and 8 you look Thomas Robinson at 2 and then look at either Jeremy Lamb or Harrison Barnes ( he likely gets picked at least 7th by Golden State, but may last until 8th).

Kemba/Calderon
Hendo/Lamb/Williams
Maggette/Brown/Williams
Robinson/Thomas/Mullens
Biyombo/Mullens/Diop

I think that is a win for the Bobcats big time and I think this is the type of move we could expect from Cho. You have to realize that we will not use the cap space this summer, we aren't in that position yet. So if you can help a team that has no flexibility, get flexibility by taking on an expiring it would be a no-brainer. Obviously no contracts that are longer than expiring, but I think this is a huge opportunity with Toronto and potential Calderon's expiring.

[James Gatz]

Gay for Ed Davis, James Johnson, Jose Calderon, 8th pick. Then flip Calderon and 8th to Charlotte for the cap space.

That's a really nice dream, but I think it's far from a reality. Even if we Calderon no GM would ever a lottery pick for someone to take on an expiring contract like Calderons.

[BigSlam]

Gay for Ed Davis, James Johnson, Jose Calderon, 8th pick. Then flip Calderon and 8th to Charlotte for the cap space.

That's a really nice dream, but I think it's far from a reality. Even if we Calderon no GM would ever a lottery pick for someone to take on an expiring contract like Calderons.

Plus the Raps already have about 20mill in cap space available to them.

[bobcats3wallace]

Good point Slam, did not realize they had cap space. Not sure why the Kurt seemed to think that Calderon would need to be included.

Oh well, the point is still valid. A trade like that, where we help a team in the short term by taking on a contract, would be something we should look at.

[KembaWalker]

looks like everyone at the top of this draft is undersized besides Drummond. we need to find a sucker to trade down

[James Gatz]

looks like everyone at the top of this draft is undersized besides Drummond. we need to find a sucker to trade down

And Drummond is only 6'10 so it's not like he is a giant by any stretch.

[fatlever]

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seems there is some talk circulating that the bobcats might be interested in trading #2 for rudy gay. personally i think this is just completely made up BS. if there is any truth to it at all, it would be part of a much larger trade. there is 0.0% chance we would exchange our two biggest assets (the #2 pick and our cap space) for a borderline all-star small forward.

[Bassman]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1184111&start=1080

seems there is some talk circulating that the bobcats might be interested in trading #2 for rudy gay. personally i think this is just completely made up BS. if there is any truth to it at all, it would be part of a much larger trade. there is 0.0% chance we would exchange our two biggest assets (the #2 pick and our cap space) for a borderline all-star small forward.

That is the type of thing we would have done during BC times (Before Cho). Assuming Higgins isn't allowed to make more stupid decisions, this cannot be factual.

I do not doubt that MJ has no stomach for a 5 year rebuild to respectability. The franchise needs several shots in the arm. New coach (if the right one) will help a little, getting a guy in the draft that can excite and be productive is really important, and bringing in some help that can move the needle faster without hurting the plan would jolt energy into everything. MJ needs fannies in the seats.

[TheKingofSting]

Trade the #2 to Cleveland for the #4 and #24, The Wizards seem like they won't pass on T-Rob since he is from that area, then we can take Beal at #4 and still have the #24 and #31 where you can still find a future starter / contributor (example: Ibaka and Batum)

[Jaruff]

lin and davis would be good in the pick and roll under sloan. that much is certain.

that being said, i don't think we can trade our 1st round pick for 2013 since we technically owe that pick to chicago. we could only trade the portland pick, which doesnt have as much value.

if i was the hornets i probably wouldnt even think of trading that pick to the bobcats. i'm sure there are better offers from teams with more assets. but just for fun, if i was the hornets and i had to trade davis to the bobcats i would ask for
#2 pick in 2012
portland's pick in 2013
and biyombo

If I were them I would make us take back Okafor and his horrible contract.

You know, his contract wouldn't be that horrible in the grand scheme of things. Henderson and Mullens would be the only two pieces we'd have to worry about resigning before that salary went off the books.

We can't trade the 2013 but we could do a deal with Chicago to require that pick and then send it to Nola. I'd offer them Kemba for our pick and a #29/31 swap. With Rose being out, Kemba will keep them going next year. Then do the deal with Nola to get Anthony Davis but I wouldn't include Biyombo.

CHA: #2, Unprotected 2013, Diop, Carroll
NOLA: #1, Okafor

I think Benson would do that deal. Gives him the cap space to sign FA's in 2013 and elevate his new team to Saints' status.

We **** NOLA over by signing a bunch of veterans before the season starts so they end up with #10-15.

[fatlever]

the only way i can even begin to spin that gay rumor into a trade that isnt disgusting is to make the deal something like:

gay + #25

for

tyrus, carroll + #2

carroll would have to opt in to his contract for the trade to work (can he do that early?)

tyrus would HAVE to go back in the deal, not maggette. maggette is on an expiring deal. that means the griz clear 35 mil over the last 2 years of gay's deal. taking back tryus at least drops that number down to clearing only 17 mil over last 2 years.

still an awful awful awful trade, but adding tyrus is better than maggette.

[fatlever]

i think most everyone knows how i feel about gay, so i am sure its no surprise i find this rumor terrible. it makes the jrich trade for #8 + 10 mil in capspace look like the trade of the century (and i hated that trade at the time)

[TheKingofSting]

i think most everyone knows how i feel about gay, so i am sure its no surprise i find this rumor terrible. it makes the jrich trade for #8 + 10 mil in capspace look like the trade of the century (and i hated that trade at the time)

It's the same guy that wrote it in the story I posted in the roster next season thread. As far as I know he is the only one reporting it and thus I am not paying it much mind.

[Jaruff]

the only way i can even begin to spin that gay rumor into a trade that isnt disgusting is to make the deal something like:

gay + #25

for

tyrus, carroll + #2

carroll would have to opt in to his contract for the trade to work (can he do that early?)

tyrus would HAVE to go back in the deal, not maggette. maggette is on an expiring deal. that means the griz clear 35 mil over the last 2 years of gay's deal. taking back tryus at least drops that number down to clearing only 17 mil over last 2 years.

still an awful awful awful trade, but adding tyrus is better than maggette.

That's why I think it would have to be a multi-team deal. Just an idea:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6px9t27

Work the #2 to Memphis and work some picks back to us, etc. Too lazy to make it all realistic and such but that's the general idea.

I'd take multiple lower picks + Josh Smith if Smith agreed to an extension before we made the deal. I'd imagine we would need to shell out 13-14m to make that happen though. Might be too expensive. Better than Gay however.

[TheKingofSting]

the only way i can even begin to spin that gay rumor into a trade that isnt disgusting is to make the deal something like:

gay + #25

for

tyrus, carroll + #2

carroll would have to opt in to his contract for the trade to work (can he do that early?)

tyrus would HAVE to go back in the deal, not maggette. maggette is on an expiring deal. that means the griz clear 35 mil over the last 2 years of gay's deal. taking back tryus at least drops that number down to clearing only 17 mil over last 2 years.

still an awful awful awful trade, but adding tyrus is better than maggette.

That's why I think it would have to be a multi-team deal. Just an idea:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6px9t27

Work the #2 to Memphis and work some picks back to us, etc. Too lazy to make it all realistic and such but that's the general idea.

I'd take multiple lower picks + Josh Smith if Smith agreed to an extension before we made the deal. I'd imagine we would need to shell out 13-14m to make that happen though. Might be too expensive. Better than Gay however.

Only if we hire a coach that gets it in Smith's head he is not a jump shooter.

[bobcats3wallace]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1184111&start=1080

seems there is some talk circulating that the bobcats might be interested in trading #2 for rudy gay. personally i think this is just completely made up BS. if there is any truth to it at all, it would be part of a much larger trade. there is 0.0% chance we would exchange our two biggest assets (the #2 pick and our cap space) for a borderline all-star small forward.

Yeah, that is not a Cho move. There are a lot of sources saying that we are actively shopping 2, but certainly not for Gay I wouldn't think. I agree, I could see a potential Gay trade, but only if there was a bigger picture trade also in the works. I actually think Gay could fit nicely, but that contract is toxic for what he can provide. He is still young though, with potential to improve. It will be interesting to see what might transpire. Either way, I fully trust Cho to do the right move.

[Jaruff]

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[bobcats3wallace]

Bill Ingram: League source confirms #2 pick for sale, but Bobcats asking for the world and will look to include Diop or Tyrus Thomas.... Twitter

Glad to see we want the world. Finally we appear to be setting the bar high. I don't care as much about unloading Diop, since he is an expiring, but if we are going to trade #2 we have to dump Thomas PLUS get actual talent back. Not sure Gay would be considered "the world" but perhaps Gay plus getting rid of Thomas plus another asset would be enough to get it done. Don't know what that other asset may be, but I have a feeling we will hear lots about the number 2 pick and trades. I don't know they will ultimately get a deal done just because I think it will be VERY hard to find a deal that fits exactly what they are looking for, but if there is a trade I expect it to be much like the Maggette/Jackson/Draft pick trade last draft: A good one.

[TheKingofSting]

• The Charlotte Bobcats are shopping the second overall pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, according to multiple sources. They have yet to contact Thomas Robinson, who many had penciled in as the number two pick after Anthony Davis. On Thursday afternoon, the Bobcats met with a number of players who are projected in the middle of the first round, such as Tyler Zeller, which indicates that they could be looking to move down. The Bobcats don’t seem to be in love with anyone at this point, which means a different team could be selecting second on draft night.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/combine-noteb ... -the-move1