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Re: Celtics @ Wizards - 11/3/12 

Post#201 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Nov 4, 2012 2:20 am

Spence wrote:Beal looks terrible in the first five quarters of his NBA career. Doesn't really mean much. I'm sure he will improve considerably. Right now, though, he looks like he needs more time.


Spence, Beal started preseason steady. He did something in practice but played through. After struggling in the subsequent preseason game, Beal started speaking out how he wasn't happy with his performance, and how he had to do better. He's had a terrible road start and a terrible home opening game.

I don't know if it is the injury, but for sure Beal has lost his mojo.

Is Wittman able to pump a guy up and speak confidence to him, or does the guy get cut like Shelvin Mack? Cutting Mack didn't help things. That guy went through summer league with Beal. The rookie can't get cut but he knows now what a business move feels like according to EG and Ted.

Beal comes from a good family and until now all that kid knows is Billy Donovan and Florida, and a supportive environment. What the DUMB Wizards did was cut the young guy who Beal had bonded with. No sense of loyalty to Shelvin, who was IIRC close to Mack, too.

Seems like a little thing, but I think between Beal's injury, cut down day, and the start of playing for real; Beal has become unnerved. He's lost his mojo for some reason. Seeing all the young guys on this team get less minutes isn't good either.
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Re: Celtics @ Wizards - 11/3/12 

Post#202 » by MikeTheKid » Sun Nov 4, 2012 2:21 am

I'm still in Chinatown but went to the game, Kevin looked to be in beast mode tonight barring the one bad pass. Ariza and Okafor are pu're trash and need to be gone. CS and Barron should've gotten mins Idk what Witt is thinking. Beal may be hurt maybe he needs a day off or some motivation or something. Sucks we lost because we kept fighting back over and over. Again let me repeat Ariza is pure GARBAGE!!!!! How's that trade working for you E.G.
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Re: Celtics @ Wizards - 11/3/12 

Post#203 » by hands11 » Sun Nov 4, 2012 2:21 am

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tontoz wrote:The starting lineup needs to change. Beal isn't ready and Okariza can't score for crap. The late game execution was awful but it wouldn't have come to that if the starters hadn't gotten outplayed so badly.

I need to get a Seraphin jersey. :clap:

How about CCJ and Hands (and maybe a few others) favorite suggestion: KS at PF?

Okafor
Seraphin
Webster
Crawford
Pargo

I can see plenty going wrong with that lineup, but I can see the same with almost any other scenario as well.


Its worth a shot. Even if it was


Okafor
Seraphin
Webster
Crawford
Price

Just because of the way things are in real life, I just don't see Randy changing 3 starters all at once. I can see him moving Beal to the bench because 1) he is struggling and 2) neither Price or Pargo are good enough PGs to be out there without Crawford. Thats their biggest problem right now. Its still PG/SG with handles.

With this roster, Crawford needs to be out there 42 minutes a game either at SG with Price or Pargo or at PG with Beal.

They need to go get Livingston. This isn't going to work without Wall out there.
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Re: Celtics @ Wizards - 11/3/12 

Post#204 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Nov 4, 2012 2:22 am

Spence wrote:
montestewart wrote:Okafor
Seraphin
Webster
Crawford
Pargo

Probably the best option the team has until it gets healthier.


Cut one of Pargo and Price and bring back Shelvin Mack.

Start Mack. He was the best facilitator/pure passer among the three PGs. He doesn't have to shoot, either, to be effective.
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Re: Celtics @ Wizards - 11/3/12 

Post#205 » by mhd » Sun Nov 4, 2012 2:23 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
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montestewart wrote:Okafor
Seraphin
Webster
Crawford
Pargo

Probably the best option the team has until it gets healthier.


Cut one of Pargo and Price and bring back Shelvin Mack.

Start Mack. He was the best facilitator/pure passer among the three PGs. He doesn't have to shoot, either, to be effective.



CCJ, Mack needed to get in better shape. He was FAT in the summer league. Pargo has hit big shots in both games.
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Re: Celtics @ Wizards - 11/3/12 

Post#206 » by DCZards » Sun Nov 4, 2012 2:26 am

ccj, you're doing a whole lot of psychoanalyzing of Beal. What makes you believe he bonded with Mack?

You guys should come off of the ledge as it relates to Beal. The kid has struggled but he'll be fine. It's two games in what I expect to be a long NBA career.

It's was great fun being at an exciting game tonight...just too many damn Celtic fans in the house.
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Post#207 » by truwizfan4evr » Sun Nov 4, 2012 2:27 am

How man game must Ariza suck it up to Ernie realized he made a big mistake making this deal?
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Re: Celtics @ Wizards - 11/3/12 

Post#208 » by Mickstix » Sun Nov 4, 2012 2:29 am

Another deep hole comback, only to fail in the end... Seems they need someone on the team who can keep their calm when they get close.. Everytime the lead got down to 5 or 6 they folded up and let it grow back to 10-11.. Websters freak out hail mary with 4 seconds left on the clock pretty much sums up the team.. Start flat, come back, choke.. Least they have the comeback part down this year.. Still the results will be the same.. Poor job by EG building a sub par team, year in and year out.. How the GM's in DC keep getting extensions to their contracts is beyond belief..
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Re: Celtics @ Wizards - 11/3/12 

Post#209 » by truwizfan4evr » Sun Nov 4, 2012 2:29 am

Maybe if wizards go 0 and 10 Ted will not fired Witt but maybe he will Fired Ernie what's the odds of that happening?
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Re: Celtics @ Wizards - 11/3/12 

Post#210 » by Mickstix » Sun Nov 4, 2012 2:32 am

truwizfan4evr wrote:Maybe if wizards go 0 and 10 Ted will not fired Witt but maybe he will Fired Ernie what's the odds of that happening?

Has Ted ever fired "anybody"?? Pretty sure he inherited his staffs' and lets the GM's make all the decisions, regardless how poor the product.. Only thing he knows how to do is collect money..
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Re: Celtics @ Wizards - 11/3/12 

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Re: Celtics @ Wizards - 11/3/12 

Post#212 » by MikeTheKid » Sun Nov 4, 2012 2:37 am

Did I mention that Arima is garbage. My section booed him whenever he touched the court.
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Re: Celtics @ Wizards - 11/3/12 

Post#213 » by JWizmentality » Sun Nov 4, 2012 2:45 am

Spence wrote:
montestewart wrote:Okafor
Seraphin
Webster
Crawford
Pargo

Probably the best option the team has until it gets healthier.


I'd swap Webster with Martin and quite honestly, Barron for Okafor.
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Post#214 » by truwizfan4evr » Sun Nov 4, 2012 2:47 am

Cant view page 14 malware?
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Post#215 » by Ed Wood » Sun Nov 4, 2012 2:52 am

This is based on largely nothing but I think it's something in your avatar, mickstix, that's causing the malware issue. Would you mind looking into that?
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Re: Celtics @ Wizards - 11/3/12 

Post#216 » by TheBigThree » Sun Nov 4, 2012 3:03 am

Ed Wood wrote:This is based on largely nothing but I think it's something in your avatar, mickstix, that's causing the malware issue. Would you mind looking into that?

You're right, it is his avatar. Opening up where it's hosted (http://home.comcast.net/~mickstix/steal ... avatar.jpg) brings up the warning.
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Re: Celtics @ Wizards - 11/3/12 

Post#217 » by montestewart » Sun Nov 4, 2012 3:16 am

DCZards wrote:ccj, you're doing a whole lot of psychoanalyzing of Beal. What makes you believe he bonded with Mack?

You guys should come off of the ledge as it relates to Beal. The kid has struggled but he'll be fine. It's two games in what I expect to be a long NBA career.

It's was great fun being at an exciting game tonight...just too many damn Celtic fans in the house.

Agree that after two games, not enough evidence to really worry a lot about Beal. I do see the point that Pargo and Price aren't so hot facilitators, and playing with Crawford (flaws and all) might lead to a more assertive offense. Beal with Crawford might bring out assertiveness in him too. Crawford actually making other players better would be amazing in itself. But I'd rather see Ariza or Price go to the bench than Beal, a player who should be such a big part of the team's future and could snap out of this mini funk any game now.
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Re: Celtics @ Wizards - 11/3/12 

Post#218 » by dandridge 10 » Sun Nov 4, 2012 3:22 am

Was at the game tonight as usual. As I predicted, we lost a close one, but I was proud of how the guys (mostly the second unit fought). The biggest bright spot was Seraphin. Its good to see that he is still playing with confidence.

As others have mentioned, the starting five has to be changed. You just can't put out 4 non-scorers and a 19 year old rookie. Honestly, with the first two games, I think Witt has put Beal in a position that he can't succeed. Without another scoring option out on the floor, Beal is just not going to get open looks, especially when he is playing against opposing starters. At the very least, if Wittman is going to keep Beal in the starting lineup, he needs to add Seraphin and/or Webster in the starting line-up to take some pressure of Beal offensively.

With that said, Beal is also playing too tentative out there. He passed up a lot of open shots. Kid needs to get some more confidence. For that reason, I would start bringing him off the bench where he is not matched up against a starter. Personally, I would start:

Price
Crawford
Webster
Okafor
Seraphin

Bring in Pargo, Beal, Booker, Vesely, Singleton, and Martin in at different times during the game, instead of making wholesale substitutions with the starting five. Witt should always try to have at least 2-3 guys on the court that can score. Sit Ariza permanently until he can earn time back. No way should Ariza be starting over Martell, let alone playing more minutes than Singleton.

Although I did not like the Okafor and Ariza trade, I was willing to keep an open mind and give it a shot. Its still early, but if Okafor and Ariza continue playing like they have this will go down as one of the worst trades in Wizards history and should at least be the final straw to send Ernie Grunfeld packing. On a positive note, however, I liked that Witt did not play these guys in the 4th quarter though. Witt needs to make a change to the starting five, but at least he is, for the most part, rewarding playing time to those that are playing the best.

Finally, two things made me pissed off about the "game experience" tonight. First, why the heck did the arena play bagpipe music during the Celtics introductions. When did a home arena start catering to an opposing team? If anything, no music should have been played or some other music should have been played to drown out the Celtics fans. Second, it was embarrassing how loud the Celtic fan's "Let's go Celtics" chants were tonight and there was little reaction by the Wizards fans. Some fans booed but there was no counter, and louder "Let's Go Wizards" chants. I tried to start one up in my section and most people just sat there quiet. Embarrassing.

Anyway, overall there were some promising signs, particularly with our younger players. Too bad the vets that we brought in to teach the youngins something so far look like complete garbage.
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Re: Celtics @ Wizards - 11/3/12 

Post#219 » by penbeast0 » Sun Nov 4, 2012 3:34 am

Shoot, I'd start

Okafor
Seraphin
Booker
Beal
Crawford

3 shooters, 3 rebounders, and bench Crawford when he forces long jumpers in double coverage . . . sub in as needed but if they have a 2/3 at the 3 spot, post Booker on him, if not, post Seraphin although I hate to waste Booker's defensive strength hanging outside by the 3 point line . . . still, it's better to force mismatches rather than respond to the other team.
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Re: Celtics @ Wizards - 11/3/12 

Post#220 » by montestewart » Sun Nov 4, 2012 3:37 am

For Boston, they should play Spinal Tap's Stonehenge, with an 18" monolith lowered from the rafters. (Yeah, I know it's not Irish, but that would be even more insulting.)

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