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MeloDrama Part V

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Re: MeloDrama Part V 

Post#201 » by vallen » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:42 am

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CoolKids wrote:no we are looking ahead. but people with common sense realize that if Melo isnt here....none of those guys are coming here. Yes lets just clear cap space so we can strike out again like in 2010. Marquee free agents dont just up and sign with another franchise without reason. The Heat are an anomaly and I somehow doubt Lebron is going to conspire with big name free agents AGAIN to team up in ANOTHER city to win rings. It



im not sure FA are going to line up to play with Melo anyway...some might prefer the money over playing with Melo but w/e..

and of course he wont conspire to win championships anymore...of course... :crazy:
what I mean is hes not gonna make a secret pact with lamarcus aldridge and Kevin Durant to come to the knicks like he did with wade and bosh.



you dont think agents keep their clients completely aware of what there options will be in there contract year ?? :lol:

if the option to play with LBJ is there, FA will know, and agents will initiate feelers.....and i agree its never going to happen. but LBJ is leaving or at least putting the pressure on MIA because of there inability to improve the roster moving forward. future plans are obviously important to him wherever he goes. and that includes the players hes going to be playing with, or recruiting.
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Re: MeloDrama Part V 

Post#202 » by Mr Rabbit » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:42 am

bisonblu wrote:Why Bargnarni?

http://youtu.be/jzAanUw7rt8

Former #1 - true 7ft center...
Allows Horford to PF...
Highly skilled 5 tool BIG...

Wouldn't be first high pick...
Not to live up to hype...
BIGS often late bloomers...

If Deng signs, Millsap redundant...
Horford, Payne, Brand, Scott, Antic, Millsap all PF???
None 7fters...or true centers...

Budz coaches up Bargnani...
Euro-style system better fit...
Hawks get former #1 pick - good PR...
Trade only way ATL gets #1 player...
Expiring k, Hawks get $12M cap space...

Calderon even swap for Salmon...
True PG, rather than speed guard...
Better shooter, Hoops IQ...
NYK need cap space - resigning Melo...

Millsap/Carroll expiring for Bargani expiring...
NYK gets cap space, Hawks get true BIG...
Preserves cap space and roster spots...
Carroll expendable with Deng/Sefalosha...

Teague for Deng in sign+trade...
Cavs get something useful for Deng...
$24M/3yr...after down year...not bad

Bargnani, Horford, Deng, Payne, Brand nice frontline...

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Re: MeloDrama Part V 

Post#203 » by liknicks7 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:42 am

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moocow007 wrote:
Starksfor3 wrote:
But what about the law firm dude in Chicago?


The law firm dude in Chicago is a mail room guy. Who are you going to believe?


I wasn't a mail room dude, I was just starting my 3L year at UI.

You wasn't with us sortin mail in that room
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Re: MeloDrama Part V 

Post#204 » by K_ick_God » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:43 am

Perhaps even worse than Melo's lawyers heading to Chicago, Robert Randolph insists that Pablo Prigioni is the key guy who will be traded to bring in LeBron :?
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Re: MeloDrama Part V 

Post#205 » by Bob Ross » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:43 am

King of Canada wrote:About this lawyer rumor. There is a moratorium until the 10th, so nobody can sign anything. Obviously BS.



I'm not saying it's true, but to play devil's advocate, wouldn't it make sense that if he (or any free agent) made a decision and made their new/existing team aware, that the contract would begin to be drafted and gone over by the agents and lawyers so that it is ready to go by the 10th? Then the 10th just becomes sign the dotted line and press conference. Maybe I'm wrong? I'm not a lawyer
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Re: MeloDrama Part V 

Post#206 » by wakkahman » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:44 am

KnicksGod wrote:Perhaps even worse than Melo's lawyers heading to Chicago, Robert Randolph insists that Pablo Prigioni is the key guy who will be traded to bring in LeBron :?



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Re: MeloDrama Part V 

Post#207 » by VirginiaKnickFan » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:44 am

kosmovitelli wrote:
After Friday's meeting with Knicks president Phil Jackson and coach Derek Fisher, sources told Yahoo Sports that Anthony had become more comfortable with Jackson's plan to use him as the cornerstone to lure free agent stars into salary cap space in 2015 and '16. One thing that still bothers Anthony is Jackson had wanted him to take less than a max contract, sources told Yahoo Sports.


You guys are really going crazy about this Melodrama part V ! LOL

Anyway, about this snippet, it was predictable. At the time, I said it was a mistake and it looked like Phil didn't really want him back and he was sending the wrong message when he said that publicly.

Anyway, the Bulls reportedly offered him a contract starting at $15 million and the man who was supposed to be traded to create enough cap room to sign him (Taj Gibson) was present at the meeting in Chicago ! If Melo thinks he's worth the max then he should be offended he was only offered !15 million by the Bulls ?

Lots of rumors, smokescreens, etc. The only thing that looks legit right now is the fact the Lakers offered Melo the max. I don't doubt that. It was even expected. I would be surprised if they didn't. The Lakers were a lottery team like the Knicks, they have two future hall of fame players (Kobe and Nash) but both are old and injured, they have no head coach and Kobe's massive contract will remain on the books for the next two seasons. The way I see it, in terms of basketball and winning, the Lakers can't offer a better alternative than the Knicks : it's the same speech (ok we ain't good now but we can reload with free agency 2015 and 2016). Same pitch but without Phil Jackson, without a head coach. The only reason to sign with the Lakers would be money and the wife. Maybe his wife wants to live in LA and Melo thinks he can get more lucrative endorsement deals in LA, more marketing opportunities in LA.

The Lakers wants to sign Melo but we don't know if Melo's interest is legit or if it's tactical move. As someone said, it's surpsrising at least three different sources (Bill Simmons, Ramona Shelbourne, etc.) tweeted about Melo strongly considering the Lakers within a few minutes. They probably had the same source and that source could be Melo's agent, Leon Rose or someone in the Lakers front office. The way I see things, either Leon Rose contacted the Lakers today (or the Lakers initiated the call) and he told them Melo didn't make a final decision yet but the Lakers were the frontrunners and Melo's favorite destination at this point. Then this information was quickly leaked.

If Melo's camp playing chess then :
- either he wants to force a sign and trade to Chicago or Houston
- he wants to push Phil Jackson to offer the max or push Jimmy Dolan to intervene and offer the max

It was reported Phil Jackson tendered a max offer to Melo but we don't know if it's true. It could be bogus.

If you're a fan of conspiracy theories, maybe Phil doesn't want Melo back, he wants to sign and trade him to Chicago but in order to save face, he needed the Lakers as an excuse to claim he had to sign and trade Melo to Chicago for crap and draft picks because Melo would have signed with the Lakers and we would have received nothing in return.

Anyway, at this point, Phil should just call Melo's bluff and offer the max (or a near max offer). If Melo says he wants to sign with the Lakers then it's over. Phil can call Jeannie Buss and his brother and I guess they may be kind enough to accept a sign and trade. Just like Donnie Walsh did with the Suns. Instead of signing Amare as a free agent, it was a sign and trade in order to give the Suns a big trade exception allowing them to make some trades to improve their team and move on. They used that TPE to acquire Hakim Warrick and other players. A TPE is a valuable asset. I'd rather have that than Chicago's crappy package. That TPE could be a valuable chip at the trade deadline.

So I'd say call the bluff and negotiate a sign and trade for a TPE witH Buss if Melo really wants to sign the Lakers.

If we offered the max and Melo still wanted to leave the team then be it. If he didn't believe in Phil Jackson's plan and Derek Fisher then it's best to rebuild and move on. No good reason to accept Booze and Chicago's crap. If Melo wants the Bulls then they will need to pay the price or Melo will have to sign with the Lakers. It's as simple as that. No need to panic. We were a lottery team this year so it's not like losing Melo will set us back that much. It would be a blow considering the price the Knicks paid to acquire him and the fact he's an asset that should have returned assets in a trade (if he had been traded earlier) but it's not the end for the Knicks if he leaves the team. No need to panic and pull the trigger on an ill-advised and desperate trade just to get something in return for him.


What incentive does LA to negotiate a sign and trade though?
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Re: MeloDrama Part V 

Post#208 » by Red Vines » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:44 am

The President is a Bulls fan so this will probably end with an executive order and Melo playing against his will in Chicago.
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Re: MeloDrama Part V 

Post#209 » by WindyCityBorn » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:45 am

WinCity wrote:
fresko024 wrote:At this point I would refuse any S&T with Chicago. Let him go try and win in LA. Not going to happen



Mirotic and a couple of picks?


I think I said this to you on the Bulls forum, but Mirotic has asked for assurance he will not be traded. He will stay overseas if his rights are traded to NY so that's a non-starter.
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Re: MeloDrama Part V 

Post#210 » by Starksfor3 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:45 am

Just going to wait for Isola to report that the press conference will be held at Allan Houston's house. Then the whole Lebron 2010 fiaso will be relived.
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Re: MeloDrama Part V 

Post#211 » by K_ick_God » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:45 am

Almost a Messianic prophecy from Robert. "There will be a vermon, the first born will be slaughtered, and then there will be a Pablo Prigioni trade, and then unto you will be delivered The King."
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Re: MeloDrama Part V 

Post#212 » by wakkahman » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:45 am

Red Vines wrote:The President is a Bulls fan so this will probably end with an executive order and Melo playing against his will in Chicago.


Isnt Carmelo his wife's favorite player too? :o
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Re: MeloDrama Part V 

Post#213 » by god shammgod » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:45 am

KnicksGod wrote:Perhaps even worse than Melo's lawyers heading to Chicago, Robert Randolph insists that Pablo Prigioni is the key guy who will be traded to bring in LeBron :?


they're gonna need a good lawyer to pull that off. i'm glad there's one available on a sunday.
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Re: MeloDrama Part V 

Post#214 » by CoolKids » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:45 am

Mr Rabbit wrote:
bisonblu wrote:Why Bargnarni?

http://youtu.be/jzAanUw7rt8

Former #1 - true 7ft center...
Allows Horford to PF...
Highly skilled 5 tool BIG...

Wouldn't be first high pick...
Not to live up to hype...
BIGS often late bloomers...

If Deng signs, Millsap redundant...
Horford, Payne, Brand, Scott, Antic, Millsap all PF???
None 7fters...or true centers...

Budz coaches up Bargnani...
Euro-style system better fit...
Hawks get former #1 pick - good PR...
Trade only way ATL gets #1 player...
Expiring k, Hawks get $12M cap space...

Calderon even swap for Salmon...
True PG, rather than speed guard...
Better shooter, Hoops IQ...
NYK need cap space - resigning Melo...

Millsap/Carroll expiring for Bargani expiring...
NYK gets cap space, Hawks get true BIG...
Preserves cap space and roster spots...
Carroll expendable with Deng/Sefalosha...

Teague for Deng in sign+trade...
Cavs get something useful for Deng...
$24M/3yr...after down year...not bad

Bargnani, Horford, Deng, Payne, Brand nice frontline...

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Re: MeloDrama Part V 

Post#215 » by CrazyKnicks » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:46 am

Bringing this guy back without him taking a paycut means we're mediocre at best for the next 5 years. Does he realize that he couldn't get us to the playoffs in the crappy East?

Does he not see how the Spurs smartly managed their cap and players took less for them to build that team? Does he not see Miami's players opting out for less money in order to build a winner?

If he wants to get paid, he can sign elsewhere. Either take less or leave.

Yea we might suck without him, we might not find a star right away but at least we give ourselves a chance in the draft instead of a treadmill team.
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Re: MeloDrama Part V 

Post#216 » by Capn'O » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:46 am

Brooklyn_Yards wrote:
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Starksfor3 wrote:kosmo has spoken. Lock up the thread and the board until a decision has been made.


:lol: we need a mod to have a breakdown.

Re-think this Sham. Do we really need this? :lol:


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Re: MeloDrama Part V 

Post#217 » by liknicks7 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:47 am

Red Vines wrote:The President is a Bulls fan so this will probably end with an executive order and Melo playing against his will in Chicago.

Thibs and Paxson listening in on our negotiations via wiretap.
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Post#218 » by K_ick_God » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:47 am

I can't find it to And-1 it but love sham's thing about Melo looking for potato salad as the basketball world again descends into chaos.
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Re: MeloDrama Part V 

Post#219 » by cubanKnick » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:48 am

Wish I could stay and talk about this all night but got to hit south beach with the wife, be safe fellas and enjoy your 4th of July weekend, remember these fellas are millionaires they dont give two sh$$ about any of us so dont get to worked up about it because they ain't.....
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Re: MeloDrama Part V 

Post#220 » by CoolKids » Sun Jul 6, 2014 1:48 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:
WinCity wrote:
fresko024 wrote:At this point I would refuse any S&T with Chicago. Let him go try and win in LA. Not going to happen



Mirotic and a couple of picks?


I think I said this to you on the Bulls forum, but Mirotic has asked for assurance he will not be traded. He will stay overseas if his rights are traded to NY so that's a non-starter.

Youre telling me someone would rather be in Chicago then NY. lol.

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