BREAKING: FCC votes in favor of Net Neutrality repeal

[omerome]

If you go over you data you can’t unless you pay for more data.

Cable is exactly like that. I pay a cable bill every month to have basic access. If I want Showtime or HBO it’s more. You want NBA TV? It’s more. It’s been that way for years.

I am talking about ALL access. Comcast would basically tell you, you can access "this site", but not "this site". Oh, we noticed that you like "this site" a lot, so we're going to charge you more money or severely slow down your speeds now. They would essentially be the gatekeepers of content.

So this was all happening before NN happened?

No, but they were already laying the foundation by blocking and banning certain sites they don't like. Hence all of the lawsuits.

[Jables120]

No.

If you NEED certain platforms to make your living and it’s not provided or offered in you area you should move to a place that gives you those things. People move all the time for work purposes.

The internet is mostly used for entertainment purposes or general service for the average person. Most people are more concerned with how they will entertain themselves or get stuff without leaving home over how they will put food on the table. When it comes to that I really don’t care about NN.

So then what is the benefit of repealing net neutrality? Most people that argue against it say that the ISPs won't limit others' content. You are saying that they will and that you would be fine with it? Limiting people's use of the internet and forcing them to move to use it would put us at a large disadvantage compared to other countries.

Let me ask this.

What was the actual benefit of NN?

I'm not sure. I guess we will see what happens when it is repealed. That will show us the effect of it more than what happened prior to net neutrality.

If the argument is that nothing will change or ISPs will have more freedom to create better plans I can understand that. I just can't see arguing that limiting people's internet so severely that they have to move could in any way be positive for anyone in the country.

[Greenie]

So then what is the benefit of repealing net neutrality? Most people that argue against it say that the ISPs won't limit others' content. You are saying that they will and that you would be fine with it? Limiting people's use of the internet and forcing them to move to use it would put us at a large disadvantage compared to other countries.

Let me ask this.

What was the actual benefit of NN?

Net neutrality can be broadly defined as the concept of an open internet, where no websites or services are prioritised over any other, and nothing legal is blocked. That means users have unfettered access to any legal website they can imagine, and that a transatlantic Skype chat with a friend shouldn't stop your email from loading.

Freedom of expression

As long as it's legal, any blog or website or news service is available online under the concept of net neutrality. Otherwise, internet service providers could in theory block access to content they don't want you to see, like a rival video streaming site or another site that competes with their own interests, or even content they deem as unsuitable. Net neutrality lets all the many, diverse people in the world have a voice online, for better or worse.

Promotes innovation and competition

An open internet ensures that larger companies don't have yet another advantage over a tiny startup. It's a level playing field on the internet, where everything is delivered as fast as possible to the end user.

Unfettered access

Google can't pay for faster access to their websites, and a tiny video streaming service should in theory be as speedy and glitch-free as Netflix. Net neutrality squashes the potential for internet fast lanes, where internet service providers can charge content creators for enough bandwidth to deliver their service properly.

It also prevents the possibility of providers charging end users an extra fee to access vital services, like online banking or email, or entertainment platforms like gaming networks (or of the owners of these services from passing their costs onto end users).

Source: http://www.itpro.co.uk/strategy/28115/the-pros-and-cons-of-net-neutrality

That didn’t exist pre-NN?

[Greenie]

So then what is the benefit of repealing net neutrality? Most people that argue against it say that the ISPs won't limit others' content. You are saying that they will and that you would be fine with it? Limiting people's use of the internet and forcing them to move to use it would put us at a large disadvantage compared to other countries.

Let me ask this.

What was the actual benefit of NN?

I'm not sure. I guess we will see what happens when it is repealed. That will show us the effect of it more than what happened prior to net neutrality.

If the argument is that nothing will change or ISPs will have more freedom to create better plans I can understand that. I just can't see arguing that limiting people's internet so severely that they have to move could in any way be positive for anyone in the country.

That’s my basic argument. I don’t see what changed from pre-NN and during NN.

I’m personally not moving because I can’t access google and get yahoo instead unless my livelyhood depended on it.

[Greenie]

I am talking about ALL access. Comcast would basically tell you, you can access "this site", but not "this site". Oh, we noticed that you like "this site" a lot, so we're going to charge you more money or severely slow down your speeds now. They would essentially be the gatekeepers of content.

So this was all happening before NN happened?

No, but they were already laying the foundation by blocking and banning certain sites they don't like. Hence all of the lawsuits.

So it wasn’t happening?

[Amsterdam]

Let me ask this.

What was the actual benefit of NN?

I'm not sure. I guess we will see what happens when it is repealed. That will show us the effect of it more than what happened prior to net neutrality.

If the argument is that nothing will change or ISPs will have more freedom to create better plans I can understand that. I just can't see arguing that limiting people's internet so severely that they have to move could in any way be positive for anyone in the country.

That’s my basic argument. I don’t see what changed from pre-NN and during NN.

I’m personally not moving because I can’t access google and get yahoo instead unless my livelyhood depended on it.

Russia, China and Saudi Arabia control the Internet. See how you feel once our now free access Internet is government controlled.

[omerome]

So this was all happening before NN happened?

No, but they were already laying the foundation by blocking and banning certain sites they don't like. Hence all of the lawsuits.

So it wasn’t happening?

I made a pretty detailed post about what happened prior to 2015 on page 4.

[Greenie]

I'm not sure. I guess we will see what happens when it is repealed. That will show us the effect of it more than what happened prior to net neutrality.

If the argument is that nothing will change or ISPs will have more freedom to create better plans I can understand that. I just can't see arguing that limiting people's internet so severely that they have to move could in any way be positive for anyone in the country.

That’s my basic argument. I don’t see what changed from pre-NN and during NN.

I’m personally not moving because I can’t access google and get yahoo instead unless my livelyhood depended on it.

Russia, China and Saudi Arabia control the Internet. See how you feel once our now free access Internet is government controlled.

So we’re going from what we have now to the extreme opposite?

[Greenie]

No, but they were already laying the foundation by blocking and banning certain sites they don't like. Hence all of the lawsuits.

So it wasn’t happening?

I made a pretty detailed post about what happened prior to 2015 on page 4.

Already addressed that.
I don’t have issues of ISP’s pushing their own products if you’re using their network.

[br7knicks]

my problem was that, it was quite apparent, that the citizens don't want this, but it happened anyway. can we impeach those 3 republicans? or do we have to wait for them to be done with their term? hopefully they aren't voted back in by their constituents

A lot of citizens don’t actually care about this. Why this was even in place is unknown to me and I can admit that.

All I know is that internet hasn’t changed much in the last 2 years. 2015/2014 was just fine. So was 2013, 2012, 2011 and so on. People acting like the world is burning because of this is bothersome more than anything.

Well then that's the big problem. People should be outraged that their political leaders are not abiding to their wishes. What's the point of having them then? Let's go to a pure democracy.

My internets fine too. I don't care. And honestly, I probably won't notice if it goes faster or slower. I do hate that I'm held hostage to a local cable company or an inefficient satellite service, but I chose to live where I do and have to deal with it.

But in the end, I don't like that politicians aren't listening to their constituents. And people wonder how an idiot like Trump got into office despite his brash personality.

[Greenie]

my problem was that, it was quite apparent, that the citizens don't want this, but it happened anyway. can we impeach those 3 republicans? or do we have to wait for them to be done with their term? hopefully they aren't voted back in by their constituents

A lot of citizens don’t actually care about this. Why this was even in place is unknown to me and I can admit that.

All I know is that internet hasn’t changed much in the last 2 years. 2015/2014 was just fine. So was 2013, 2012, 2011 and so on. People acting like the world is burning because of this is bothersome more than anything.

Well then that's the big problem. People should be outraged that their political leaders are not abiding to their wishes. What's the point of having them then? Let's go to a pure democracy.

My internets fine too. I don't care. And honestly, I probably won't notice if it goes faster or slower. I do hate that I'm held hostage to a local cable company or an inefficient satellite service, but I chose to live where I do and have to deal with it.

But in the end, I don't like that politicians aren't listening to their constituents. And people wonder how an idiot like Trump got into office despite his brash personality.

I already said the biggest issue we have is the two party system.

[br7knicks]

A lot of citizens don’t actually care about this. Why this was even in place is unknown to me and I can admit that.

All I know is that internet hasn’t changed much in the last 2 years. 2015/2014 was just fine. So was 2013, 2012, 2011 and so on. People acting like the world is burning because of this is bothersome more than anything.

Well then that's the big problem. People should be outraged that their political leaders are not abiding to their wishes. What's the point of having them then? Let's go to a pure democracy.

My internets fine too. I don't care. And honestly, I probably won't notice if it goes faster or slower. I do hate that I'm held hostage to a local cable company or an inefficient satellite service, but I chose to live where I do and have to deal with it.

But in the end, I don't like that politicians aren't listening to their constituents. And people wonder how an idiot like Trump got into office despite his brash personality.

I already said the biggest issue we have is the two party system.

i couldn't agree more. that's why i don't think a pure democracy is a bad idea. it wouldn't be perfect, as rules that benefit Idaho may not be beneficial to NY. but i think it'd be better than this 2 party system.

[rammagen]

No, it’s true.

As a matter of fact everything people are arguing for makes no sense to me. Literally mad at little loss of convenience(speed) and companies placing their own products above the competitions(you can’t have google because your ISP is verizon).

ok let me explain this for the 50th time I pay less now then before net neutrality for better service simple yes, now with the repeal I will pay more for less and there is no competition.
And you are wrong the idea of a free market place you know capitalism depends on the free market place and the market place being regulated.
so tell us do you work for for an ISP I know I did when I when I started in IT. So please tease tell us how the internet works. Because according to you my 20 yrs in IT and 5 yrs at an ISP means I don't understand how the internet and the market place works

I don’t give a damn what you do. This is about money on your behalf too. You’re mad you will have to pay more for less. Welcome to the world as we know it.

As I said before people can either switch ISP’s or move to an area where their personal needs are met.

So greenie you do work for an ISP/ Either that or you just have an opinion which is contrary to every to everyone else which is fine but you have been proven incorrect. if someone did this after an nation disaster this would be akin to price gouging but you must be ok with that. And no people should not have to move to get a service. There is a reason why I already moved from Ft Lauderdale to the Atlanta area. Have you every moved from one are of the country to another for work? Poeple should not have to move to get better service the idea of a free market would be someone see a need and fills it but in these conditions google fiber can't even get permits because of lobbyist like Koch brother

[rammagen]

I don’t give a damn what you do. This is about money on your behalf too. You’re mad you will have to pay more for less. Welcome to the world as we know it.

As I said before people can either switch ISP’s or move to an area where their personal needs are met.

Greenie can it your wrong and everyone knows, I don't give a damn other then letting you know that I know what I am talking about and you are wrong but to freaking stubborn to admit it

How about you leave me the hell alone and I will leave you alone.

Cool?

Cool.

well sounds like a deal just don't go contradicting facts, because that is what do me involved in this in the first place

[rammagen]

some good stories about how compaines are fighting against lowcost internet access
https://www.wired.com/story/koch-brothers-are-cities-new-obstacle-to-building-broadband/
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/metro-government/2017/08/16/judge-throws-out-at-t-suit-against-citys-google-fiber-proposal/573863001/

[j4remi]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/03/12/technology/net-neutrality-rules-explained.html

Seems like a lot of people uncertain about this ish. Here's a helpful article.

What the rules actually prohibit is described in this section. Between them, blocking, throttling and paid prioritization — which refer to outright blocking of content, slowing of transmissions, and the creation of so-called “fast lanes” — encompass most of the practices that net neutrality rules have been intended to eliminate.
Because the record overwhelmingly supports adopting rules and demonstrates that three specific practices invariably harm the open Internet — blocking, throttling, and paid prioritization — this order bans each of them, applying the same rules to both fixed and mobile broadband Internet access service.

Why anyone would want to play devil's advocate and argue against this is beyond me, but have at it fam. There's a lot in this article that should help yall get a better idea of what's happening.

[newyork]

My main concern over anything else is that the information exposing pedophiles and sexual assaults will be blocked and or controlled. Information exposing police brutalities and murders will be blocked and or controlled. The information exposing Trumps cabinet members and corruption. The list really goes on an on.

Internet has been able to expose so many powerful people these past few yrs. I feel that this is the main reason for this repeal. Hiding behind these other reasons.

[E86]

Realgm should make a deal with Fios and maybe these annoying ass invasive ads will go away

[omerome]

Watch on YouTube

[Jadoogar]

Really dude?

You don’t get it, but it’s OK. People will be forced to do some **** like it used to be done...a whole damn 2 years ago.

After rereading what you said, are trying to say that technology is making every task in our life so much easier that our brain is not getting the mental work out that it needs?

What I’m saying is people are literally acting like the world didn’t exist as we know before Net Neutrality existed. It’s only 2 years old.

People are so wrapped up in ease and convenience that simple everyday things are looked at as impossible without the help of technology. That’s not good. That’s sad. I’m not old either so I get the need of technology but I also know there’s other ways to get things done.

This is an insanely bad argument. People are so wrapped up in the ease an convenience of cars. It's not impossible man! Just walk everywhere!