Knicks 117 @ Celtics 109 Post-game Notes (9-9)

[return2glory]

The difference is Rozier can play, Brown can’t.

With Rozier, he is trying to get off this team fast. If you start him next to Kyrie, you will go back to showcasing his talent.

I called Brown a scrub last year and people got mad. He would pick another career like a professor or engineer or politician. He is a smart, dumb guy. Dumb on the court. A really bad BBIQ. Doesn’t work on his game because he is to busy playing chess, instruments, and other stuff that doesn’t include basketball.

Rozier can play, Brown can't.

You're a walking talking contradiction. Would of been fine with one or the other.

Rozier has sucked off the bench. Start him next to Kyrie and see what happens. Rozier will excel as a starter. What I’m saying is give Rozier the same opportunity as Brown has been given.

[JudBuchler]

The difference is Rozier can play, Brown can’t.

With Rozier, he is trying to get off this team fast. If you start him next to Kyrie, you will go back to showcasing his talent.

I called Brown a scrub last year and people got mad. He would pick another career like a professor or engineer or politician. He is a smart, dumb guy. Dumb on the court. A really bad BBIQ. Doesn’t work on his game because he is to busy playing chess, instruments, and other stuff that doesn’t include basketball.

Rozier can play, Brown can't.

You're a walking talking contradiction. Would of been fine with one or the other.

Rozier has sucked off the bench. Start him next to Kyrie and see what happens. Rozier will excel as a starter. What I’m saying is give Rozier the same opportunity as Brown has been given.

Exactly.


Start Rozier. Everybody else has played like a scrub when given a good opportunity.

[Curmudgeon]

Keep blaming everyone except the real culprits. The returns of Kyrie and Hayward screwed up the chemistry of this team. Maybe if only one of those guys had returned, it would have been ok. But not two.

The team is structurally flawed. They have a ton of good individual offensive players, but when you put them on the floor together the offense sucks. No one knows whose turn it is to shoot except Kyrie, who thinks its always his turn. They only have one really good defensive player on the floor (the other one, Ojeleye, is stuck to the bench thanks to Hayward) and their 6-10 bigs are overmatched by the athletic 7 footers on other teams.

Until the structure changes in a fundamental way they will continue to disappoint.

[return2glory]

Keep blaming everyone except the real culprits. The returns of Kyrie and Hayward screwed up the chemistry of this team. Maybe if only one of those guys had returned, it would have been ok. But not two.

The team is structurally flawed. They have a ton of good individual offensive players, but when you put them on the floor together the offense sucks. No one knows whose turn it is to shoot except Kyrie, who thinks its always his turn. They only have one really good defensive player on the floor (the other one, Ojeleye, is stuck to the bench thanks to Hayward) and their 6-10 bigs are overmatched by the athletic 7 footers on other teams.

Until the structure changes in a fundamental way they will continue to disappoint.

Agree with this. I get this team another 4-6 weeks to gel. Team chemistry is at a low point now.

[return2glory]

I’ve decided to lower my expectations of this team and not care about wins and losses. The team nor the coach cares about winning right now.

It’s wasted energy for fans to be emotional attached to a team in any way when the team doesn’t care.

Trade or no trade. Brad and Danny will figure it out at their on pace. Fast forward to a month or 2 and this team will be playing much better. And if not, Danny will do what he needs to do to shake things up.

[reload141]

I’ve decided to lower my expectations of this team and not care about wins and losses. The team nor the coach cares about winning right now.

It’s wasted energy for fans to be emotional attached to a team in any way when the team doesn’t care.

Trade or no trade. Brad and Danny will figure it out at their on pace. Fast forward to a month or 2 and this team will be playing much better. And if not, Danny will do what he needs to do to shake things up.

Agree with the last paragraph in particular, in 1-2 months if they still aren’t clicking they will look at making a trade to fix it.

[Silky]

I’ve decided to lower my expectations of this team and not care about wins and losses. The team nor the coach cares about winning right now.

It’s wasted energy for fans to be emotional attached to a team in any way when the team doesn’t care.

Trade or no trade. Brad and Danny will figure it out at their on pace. Fast forward to a month or 2 and this team will be playing much better. And if not, Danny will do what he needs to do to shake things up.

Agree with the last paragraph in particular, in 1-2 months if they still aren’t clicking they will look at making a trade to fix it.

Cannot wait that long. If team isnt clicking by december 15 trades will be made.



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[JHTruth]

Keep blaming everyone except the real culprits. The returns of Kyrie and Hayward screwed up the chemistry of this team. Maybe if only one of those guys had returned, it would have been ok. But not two.

The team is structurally flawed. They have a ton of good individual offensive players, but when you put them on the floor together the offense sucks. No one knows whose turn it is to shoot except Kyrie, who thinks its always his turn. They only have one really good defensive player on the floor (the other one, Ojeleye, is stuck to the bench thanks to Hayward) and their 6-10 bigs are overmatched by the athletic 7 footers on other teams.

Until the structure changes in a fundamental way they will continue to disappoint.

Everyone keeps talking as if only Brown and Rozier are the only ones impacted by their return but the real losers have been Baynes, Ojeleye, Theis etc who have suffered the most minutes-wise. Washburn says theres a ton of beef in the locker room concerning mins. A most must be made. My guess is Morris is probably out of here given Hayward is untradeable

[3pt %]

Not a sentence I thought I would type, but... I really hope we don't trade Morris this season unless it is for a massive over-pay.

When a team has Kyrie, Tatum, Horford, Rozier, Brown and Haywood, I was not expecting to be thinking "Shoot that Mook".

[fallguy]

I’ve decided to lower my expectations of this team and not care about wins and losses. The team nor the coach cares about winning right now.

It’s wasted energy for fans to be emotional attached to a team in any way when the team doesn’t care.

Trade or no trade. Brad and Danny will figure it out at their on pace. Fast forward to a month or 2 and this team will be playing much better. And if not, Danny will do what he needs to do to shake things up.

Agree with the last paragraph in particular, in 1-2 months if they still aren’t clicking they will look at making a trade to fix it.

Exactly. There's not going to be a panic move after 35 days worth of games.

There's a reason Ainge and Zarren have the jobs they do.

[Triple7]

his play has dropped off, shooting poorly, rebounding poorly, not defending as well, giving up more points in the paint than previous seasons....these are truths.

If team wants 4 wings on the floor at a time they need someone other than Horford, who over past 4 years, has performed WORSE as a center than as a PF.

Al is not going to be traded no one wants his contract. He's simply in decline, and since he was so important to our squad it's killing us..

i agree with the second part, the first, not so much.

I still firmly believe there are teams that would gladly trade for Horford.

Ie: Miami for whiteside (they get a Al beside Bam)
Detroit to pair with griffin
Washington to calm that place down a bit
Brooklyn to mentor and play beside allen
Houston
Portland

just a few off top of my head that are plausable

just imagine having a shot blocking center at the middle. I think that’s what we need. It will ignite the fastbreaks, lead to more wide open shots. The problem with our team is we don’t have an inside presence at all. That’s ok if were the warriors with 3 all time great shooters, but in reality, were not. so frustrating to watch our offensive game being limited to iso’s, making 4-5 passes with no one cutting inside. horford’s constant pick n pop setting screens at the 3 pt line. Teams are just waiting for them to chuck 3’s and miss, very predictable offense, which most of the time, leads to opposing team fastbreaks. I think we need a trade to turn this around. Trade rozier right now! the guy wants to start and wants 20M per year. He would never be happy here and it shows on his play.

[Silky]

Al is not going to be traded no one wants his contract. He's simply in decline, and since he was so important to our squad it's killing us..

i agree with the second part, the first, not so much.

I still firmly believe there are teams that would gladly trade for Horford.

Ie: Miami for whiteside (they get a Al beside Bam)
Detroit to pair with griffin
Washington to calm that place down a bit
Brooklyn to mentor and play beside allen
Houston
Portland

just a few off top of my head that are plausable

just imagine having a shot blocking center at the middle. I think that’s what we need. It will ignite the fastbreaks, lead to more wide open shots. The problem with our team is we don’t have an inside presence at all. That’s ok if were the warriors with 3 all time great shooters, but in reality, were not. so frustrating to watch our offensive game being limited to iso’s, making 4-5 passes with no one cutting inside. horford’s constant pick n pop setting screens at the 3 pt line. Teams are just waiting for them to chuck 3’s and miss, very predictable offense, which most of the time, leads to opposing team fastbreaks. I think we need a trade to turn this around. Trade rozier right now! the guy wants to start and wants 20M per year. He would never be happy here and it shows on his play.

Preach!

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[GoGreen]

This team is better than this. I'm just not going to believe that they're only a .500 squad. Once they start hitting shots and playing as a unit, we're going to see the team we know. As of right now, the ball just isn't going in the bucket.

No way is it over. They'll figure it out.

On paper maybe they are better but the reality is they are not. We have been saying since the magic game they will figure it out but nothing has changed since then. Hell they've gotten worse you could argue.

Id love to sit here and tell you that losing to the 29th ranked defense at home to a team that's lost 6 games in a row trying to tank is as bad as it gets but the Celtics still have to play Atlanta and the Cavs.

They have Atlanta Dallas New Orleans and the Cavs the next four games. I fully expect them to go 1-3 maybe even is 0-4. This team is completely broken.

I'm still optimistic. No way are they this bad. Absolutely not. I've seen too much from Jaylen and Jayson to think that they were just flukes last year. Same with Terry. Hayward obviously is still dealing with playing at an NBA level. And Brad? C'mon. LIke I said, this guy is WAY too smart to fail. He's way too good of a coach.

I'm not counting these guys out, they'll figure it out.

[Andrew McCeltic]

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