Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough

[drekwins]

He can get that in NY. You don't think the Knicks will agree to work with GS on a sign & trade using a trade exemption? I guarantee they offer the 5th year at 50 mill.

Knicks can't give KD a 5th year, even with a S&T

Here’s what Windhorst said on the show (first transcribed by Bleacher Report):

“For lack of a better term, it would be a delayed sign and trade. It’s the only way Durant could get five years and play elsewhere…. The Warriors go into this as a bit of a last-ditch effort to not lose Kevin Durant for nothing. And what he would get out of it would be an extra $57 million coming off of a devastating injury. He would be protected and get all of his money. Now, he’d have to trust the Warriors that they would actually work with you on a trade, but it’s something that has at least been discussed.”

[GEOLINK]

SAS on get up said knicks might not get a meeting just a phone call. This **** is just crazy

SAS so far up his own ass at this point he just has to make it even more ridiculous.

It must be hard getting ridiculed by your peers at work even when you’re making the most money there.

[F N 11]

SAS on get up said knicks might not get a meeting just a phone call. This **** is just crazy

Dude no one is getting a meeting tho.

[GONYK]

He can get that in NY. You don't think the Knicks will agree to work with GS on a sign & trade using a trade exemption? I guarantee they offer the 5th year at 50 mill.

Knicks can't give KD a 5th year, even with a S&T

Yes, he could. What makes you think he couldn't?

The CBA

[GONYK]

He can get that in NY. You don't think the Knicks will agree to work with GS on a sign & trade using a trade exemption? I guarantee they offer the 5th year at 50 mill.

Knicks can't give KD a 5th year, even with a S&T

Here’s what Windhorst said on the show (first transcribed by Bleacher Report):

“For lack of a better term, it would be a delayed sign and trade. It’s the only way Durant could get five years and play elsewhere…. The Warriors go into this as a bit of a last-ditch effort to not lose Kevin Durant for nothing. And what he would get out of it would be an extra $57 million coming off of a devastating injury. He would be protected and get all of his money. Now, he’d have to trust the Warriors that they would actually work with you on a trade, but it’s something that has at least been discussed.”

How delayed? That trade could not be completed until December, since KD would have been a newly signed player.

[mpharris36]

Another argument for KD is that if we don’t sign him, we will probably use the money in a worse way. I think the best alternative plan would be to use the money to buy picks and assets but I don’t know if we do that. Sounds like we will just load up on 1 year vets and try to stay competitive. 3 years of KD at 80% is probably a better option then that. With KD sitting out the year, we can probably another top pick in ’20. We could have the start to something….

Mitch
KD
RJ
‘20 draft pick

With the Mavs picks, cap spaceand some other young players, we should have the assets or cap to pick up another guy…maybe someone like Beal. We could be on our way to something by then.

Its a big risk, but KD getting close to 90% is probably our best path to contention at this point.

facts

if you are looking at all our possible scenarios the best way (while it still is risky) is to use the space to let KD redshirt and let young guys play and improve. These other 1 year rentals are just putting lipstick on a pig. It might improve us a little but it does nothing to improve us longterm. If the 1-2 year guys are good they will leave for bigger money and we will probably be good enough to not get rewarded with good picks. If they aren't good enough they will be overpaid and taking up important developmental minutes from our young guys.

Guys like Rozier/Randle will jsut be covering up holes where we should be filling those with young cheap pieces.

[drekwins]

if i'm KD, unless something is really drawing me to NY personally, i'm taking that $220m.

He can get that in NY. You don't think the Knicks will agree to work with GS on a sign & trade using a trade exemption? I guarantee they offer the 5th year at 50 mill.

KnicksGod said they can't do the 5 year S & T. The last CBA fixed that loophole so stars can't get the max and force their way to a team like LeBron did.

So the Knicks would have to wait till the winter or something, I guess if this is what Durant and the Knicks want.

Fair enough. I wasn't aware that the loophole was closed. Thanks for the info.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

He can get that in NY. You don't think the Knicks will agree to work with GS on a sign & trade using a trade exemption? I guarantee they offer the 5th year at 50 mill.

Knicks can't give KD a 5th year, even with a S&T

Here’s what Windhorst said on the show (first transcribed by Bleacher Report):

“For lack of a better term, it would be a delayed sign and trade. It’s the only way Durant could get five years and play elsewhere…. The Warriors go into this as a bit of a last-ditch effort to not lose Kevin Durant for nothing. And what he would get out of it would be an extra $57 million coming off of a devastating injury. He would be protected and get all of his money. Now, he’d have to trust the Warriors that they would actually work with you on a trade, but it’s something that has at least been discussed.”

Doubtful

[Stannis]

a sobering account from another doc

https://nypost.com/2019/06/27/achilles-injury-return-stat-that-should-give-kevin-durant-suitors-pause/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

Yup.

Unfortunately, I think we're beyond this. He'll have the offer from us at 6:00:01.

It's just a matter of how close can he be. I'd still take 95% of KD.

yup i believe this had been in the works for a while...big guys like him don't just randomly make decisions and we aren't in a position to rescind that offer. This is the first superstar in a while that in theory wants to come here. If anything even if its a legacy play it should help the young guys and our ability to attrack other players because KD is a generational player even if we won't be getting 100% of KD.

That article said that KD's leg will be at 95%. That doesn't say KD will come back at 95%. Big difference, imo. 100% in one leg, 95% in the other will absolutely kill your balance.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Another argument for KD is that if we don’t sign him, we will probably use the money in a worse way. I think the best alternative plan would be to use the money to buy picks and assets but I don’t know if we do that. Sounds like we will just load up on 1 year vets and try to stay competitive. 3 years of KD at 80% is probably a better option then that. With KD sitting out the year, we can probably another top pick in ’20. We could have the start to something….

Mitch
KD
RJ
‘20 draft pick

With the Mavs picks, cap spaceand some other young players, we should have the assets or cap to pick up another guy…maybe someone like Beal. We could be on our way to something by then

We have to put an NBA level team around RJ in year one. He's going to have so much on his shoulders if we do not. IMO, it's similar to a young QB. You can't let him take too many hits early on. I'm not saying that we need to offer bad deals. I just think he needs legit NBA players, even on one year deals. Knox, DSJ, Frank and Mitch are not good enough to surround him with. They all can play, but he needs a couple of guys who can take pressure off.

It really depends who. I am sure we will pick up some vets. But the younger players should get most of the playing time and opportunities.

1 year guys looking for a pay day can also be detrimental in that they could be looking for a pay day and play selfishly. Or bring negative attitude. That can be even worse. Guys like Timmy and Kanter I dont think did anything for development. I dont expect Randle, Cousins, Rozier to help much. But I do agree that we will need to bring in some other players. We will just have to be selective on who we bring in. And I would still expect us to be a lottery team (unless its another max guy).

[GONYK]

Yup.

Unfortunately, I think we're beyond this. He'll have the offer from us at 6:00:01.

It's just a matter of how close can he be. I'd still take 95% of KD.

yup i believe this had been in the works for a while...big guys like him don't just randomly make decisions and we aren't in a position to rescind that offer. This is the first superstar in a while that in theory wants to come here. If anything even if its a legacy play it should help the young guys and our ability to attrack other players because KD is a generational player even if we won't be getting 100% of KD.

That article said that KD's leg will be at 95%. That doesn't say KD will come back at 95%. Big difference, imo. 100% in one leg, 95% in the other will absolutely kill your balance.

Easy fix.

Anybody know what Tonya Harding is up to?

[MaseInYourFace]

I hope KD doesn’t drag this ish too long.

[robillionaire]

Yup.

Unfortunately, I think we're beyond this. He'll have the offer from us at 6:00:01.

It's just a matter of how close can he be. I'd still take 95% of KD.

yup i believe this had been in the works for a while...big guys like him don't just randomly make decisions and we aren't in a position to rescind that offer. This is the first superstar in a while that in theory wants to come here. If anything even if its a legacy play it should help the young guys and our ability to attrack other players because KD is a generational player even if we won't be getting 100% of KD.

That article said that KD's leg will be at 95%. That doesn't say KD will come back at 95%. Big difference, imo. 100% in one leg, 95% in the other will absolutely kill your balance.

This is true. They should actually snip his other achilles so they heal balanced

[SelbyCobra]

Knicks can't give KD a 5th year, even with a S&T

Here’s what Windhorst said on the show (first transcribed by Bleacher Report):

“For lack of a better term, it would be a delayed sign and trade. It’s the only way Durant could get five years and play elsewhere…. The Warriors go into this as a bit of a last-ditch effort to not lose Kevin Durant for nothing. And what he would get out of it would be an extra $57 million coming off of a devastating injury. He would be protected and get all of his money. Now, he’d have to trust the Warriors that they would actually work with you on a trade, but it’s something that has at least been discussed.”

How delayed? That trade could not be completed until December, since KD would have been a newly signed player.

Jan 15th, 2020, I believe.

[mpharris36]

Yup.

Unfortunately, I think we're beyond this. He'll have the offer from us at 6:00:01.

It's just a matter of how close can he be. I'd still take 95% of KD.

yup i believe this had been in the works for a while...big guys like him don't just randomly make decisions and we aren't in a position to rescind that offer. This is the first superstar in a while that in theory wants to come here. If anything even if its a legacy play it should help the young guys and our ability to attrack other players because KD is a generational player even if we won't be getting 100% of KD.

It's a clout move on our part, even if KD never plays at the same level again. It gives us credibility.

I think that is worth it to our decision makers.

it is...its why every team involved is still offering him the max...because they understand the risk but its still KD and what it does for the franchise and the appearance of the franchise.

[Stannis]

Definitely not a risk-less move, but like I've said before, I still give KD the max. I think they could rebuild with KD. If there's no KD, I'm hearing names like Randle, Cousins, Rozier,

It would be a 4 year contract. Knicks can still rebuild with him on the squad, imo. And there's also the chance we get another amnesty clause after the new CBA. So if things really get bad (like Eddy Curry bad and Durant will never play again), Knicks could amnesty him.

[Jeff Van Gully]

He can get that in NY. You don't think the Knicks will agree to work with GS on a sign & trade using a trade exemption? I guarantee they offer the 5th year at 50 mill.

KnicksGod said they can't do the 5 year S & T. The last CBA fixed that loophole so stars can't get the max and force their way to a team like LeBron did.

So the Knicks would have to wait till the winter or something, I guess if this is what Durant and the Knicks want.

Fair enough. I wasn't aware that the loophole was closed. Thanks for the info.

news to me as well. if we can't s&t for the 5-year, then what are we even talking about? no reason to deal with GS then.

[Stannis]

yup i believe this had been in the works for a while...big guys like him don't just randomly make decisions and we aren't in a position to rescind that offer. This is the first superstar in a while that in theory wants to come here. If anything even if its a legacy play it should help the young guys and our ability to attrack other players because KD is a generational player even if we won't be getting 100% of KD.

That article said that KD's leg will be at 95%. That doesn't say KD will come back at 95%. Big difference, imo. 100% in one leg, 95% in the other will absolutely kill your balance.

Easy fix.

Anybody know what Tonya Harding is up to?

Enlighten me on this one

[mpharris36]

Definitely not a risk-less move, but like I've said before, I still give KD the max. I think they could rebuild with KD. If there's no KD, I'm hearing names like Randle, Cousins, Rozier,

It would be a 4 year contract. Knicks can still rebuild with him on the squad, imo. And there's also the chance we get another amnesty clause after the new CBA. So if things really get bad (like Eddy Curry bad and Durant will never play again), Knicks could amnesty him.

every move has some level of risk...we have all our draft picks so we can mitigate some of that risk if he never comes back to full health to continue to develop and build the youth. Thats why I'm still taking that risk.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Yup.

Unfortunately, I think we're beyond this. He'll have the offer from us at 6:00:01.

It's just a matter of how close can he be. I'd still take 95% of KD.

yup i believe this had been in the works for a while...big guys like him don't just randomly make decisions and we aren't in a position to rescind that offer. This is the first superstar in a while that in theory wants to come here. If anything even if its a legacy play it should help the young guys and our ability to attrack other players because KD is a generational player even if we won't be getting 100% of KD.

That article said that KD's leg will be at 95%. That doesn't say KD will come back at 95%. Big difference, imo. 100% in one leg, 95% in the other will absolutely kill your balance.

i'd say "can" not "will." i am not willing to guarantee anything. it's all risk and hypothetical until it happens.

i'm fine with signing KD. even if he doesn't make it all the way back i think he'd even be good for the development and inspiration of the pups. and the reward of him being most of what he's been in a knick uniform is significant.

that said, i'd never have a good night's sleep thinking about his leg problems. i was concerned about him long-term from the jones fracture.