Better player next season: Simmons or Doncic?

[BIG Game]

I expect sophmore slump from Doncic.

Why? Simmons won ROY in his sophomore season, so he obviously didn’t slump.

You're baiting me.

So I'm going to zig, do you think the Bulls finish with a better record then Dallas this year? Whos young core would you rather have Chicago or Dallas?

[gh123]

I expect sophmore slump from Doncic.

Why? Simmons won ROY in his sophomore season, so he obviously didn’t slump.

You're baiting me.

So I'm going to zig, do you think the Bulls finish with a better record then Dallas this year? Whos young core would you rather have Chicago or Dallas?

Lauri also has problems with injuries, so him and Kp kinda cancel each other out. But Luka is handily a better player than anyone on the Bulls, so Dallas. I think Dallas will trade after Dec 15 and around deadline, so I don't really know. They have no incentive to tank though, coz we have no picks at all, so I think Dallas will have a better record by a bit.

[BIG Game]

Why? Simmons won ROY in his sophomore season, so he obviously didn’t slump.

You're baiting me.

So I'm going to zig, do you think the Bulls finish with a better record then Dallas this year? Whos young core would you rather have Chicago or Dallas?

Lauri also has problems with injuries, so him and Kp kinda cancel each other out. But Luka is handily a better player than anyone on the Bulls, so Dallas. I think Dallas will trade after Dec 15 and around deadline, so I don't really know. They have no incentive to tank though, coz we have no picks at all, so I think Dallas will have a better record by a bit.

I was excited for WCJ when he started the year. He has some real potential. White is the great unknown for sure, but to me it comes down to your two young guns (Doncic/Zinger) vs. our four guys (White/WCJ/Mark/Zack). Doncic and Zinger have higher upside then anyone we have, but I think the average of our four could put us even. Mark is solid and I think ready to break out, this is a big year for him. I think Lavine is already here, now he just have to prove he can win (which Otto really helps with, just by doing the little things).

[DreamTeam09]

True his max doesn’t kick in until next summer. But regarding position, point forward is typically used to describe forwards that facilitate half court offense without dribbling the ball up the court. Ben is a true PG that can guard 5 positions.

How is he a true pg if he doesn't guard pgs??? You are the position you defend, not the position your coach puts you in on offense. When does Ben guard the PG??

If you are the position you defend, how do you know you're defending the point guard? Your statement is contradictory.

What makes someone a position are common attributes they share with other players.

Umm you know you are the pg when you are defending the other teams PG, yes you can be good enough ala Patrick Beverly where you guard wing players too but that's out of necessity because you're an Elite defender.

How many times does Ben Simmons line up at the start of the game and his duty is to defend the other teams PG.

[HeartBreakKid]

Umm you know you are the pg when you are defending the other teams PG,

. Can you answer the question? How do you know you're guarding the other teams PG and not their center, if according to you roles are not defined by offense?

I know this is rude, but you need to take a logic class if you do not understand what you're saying makes no sense.

How many times does Ben Simmons line up at the start of the game and his duty is to defend the other teams PG.

If you watched him play you would know the answer.

[gh123]

You're baiting me.

So I'm going to zig, do you think the Bulls finish with a better record then Dallas this year? Whos young core would you rather have Chicago or Dallas?

Lauri also has problems with injuries, so him and Kp kinda cancel each other out. But Luka is handily a better player than anyone on the Bulls, so Dallas. I think Dallas will trade after Dec 15 and around deadline, so I don't really know. They have no incentive to tank though, coz we have no picks at all, so I think Dallas will have a better record by a bit.

I was excited for WCJ when he started the year. He has some real potential. White is the great unknown for sure, but to me it comes down to your two young guns (Doncic/Zinger) vs. our four guys (White/WCJ/Mark/Zack). Doncic and Zinger have higher upside then anyone we have, but I think the average of our four could put us even. Mark is solid and I think ready to break out, this is a big year for him. I think Lavine is already here, now he just have to prove he can win (which Otto really helps with, just by doing the little things).

I don't think Kp has more upside than Lauri. And I wanted WCJ if Doncic wasn't avaiable. Don't know who White is, but we have Brunson and we all liked him, so you can include him too. He's like 22 though, so I don't expect a top 10 PG there, but he can become a good starter.

[DreamTeam09]

Umm you know you are the pg when you are defending the other teams PG,

. Can you answer the question? How do you know you're guarding the other teams PG and not their center, if according to you roles are not defined by offense?

I know this is rude, but you need to take a logic class if you do not understand what you're saying makes no sense.

How many times does Ben Simmons line up at the start of the game and his duty is to defend the other teams PG.

If you watched him play you would know the answer.

This is why I asked the question ?? Do you personally ask questions that you know the answer too? That's pretty crummy if you do? So if you can't answer the question don't be a smart ass.

I don't know how much Ben Simmons covers the other teams PG which is why I wouldn't call him a true pg like my original argument.

You know what position you are based on the defensive assignments you are covering because in today's NBA with all types switching and positionless basketball roles aren't clearly defined.

A PG would know that he's not guarding the centre by him not lining up for the jump ball or by him not gaurding one of the biggest players on the court or him.

So is LeBron a true pg even though that guy hasn't guarded an opposing team pg in probably forever while still having the pg duties on offense ??

Would you as a coach, put your PG on LeBron James ??

[BIG Game]

Lauri also has problems with injuries, so him and Kp kinda cancel each other out. But Luka is handily a better player than anyone on the Bulls, so Dallas. I think Dallas will trade after Dec 15 and around deadline, so I don't really know. They have no incentive to tank though, coz we have no picks at all, so I think Dallas will have a better record by a bit.

I was excited for WCJ when he started the year. He has some real potential. White is the great unknown for sure, but to me it comes down to your two young guns (Doncic/Zinger) vs. our four guys (White/WCJ/Mark/Zack). Doncic and Zinger have higher upside then anyone we have, but I think the average of our four could put us even. Mark is solid and I think ready to break out, this is a big year for him. I think Lavine is already here, now he just have to prove he can win (which Otto really helps with, just by doing the little things).

I don't think Kp has more upside than Lauri. And I wanted WCJ if Doncic wasn't avaiable. Don't know who White is, but we have Brunson and we all liked him, so you can include him too. He's like 22 though, so I don't expect a top 10 PG there, but he can become a good starter.

Coby White, the UNC PG who looks like the guy from My Name is Earl. I added a video for your convience:

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Yeah my buddie is a Dallas fan and he keep telling me Brunson is good. He said the same about little brother Curry too, he was upset that yall didnt sign him back.

[BlazersBroncos]

Moving forward in their respective careers, I would wager that there isn't a single season where Doncic isn't better than Simmons.

The shooting improvement that Simmons would need to become a reliable top option, which I believe Luka will be, would be unprecedented in the history of this sport. Look to the past is the best way to predict the future. There is zero precedent for a player as poor a shooter as Simmons becoming average, especially as a 3PT shooter.

Until you can put the ball in Bens hands at the end of a game and expect him to create a winning shot, he isn't a #1 option player. He is closer to a swing version of Draymond Green, less the elite motor, than he is a #1 option. Luka isn't guaranteed to get there, but I certainly would be on him over Ben.

[BR0D1E86]

I expect sophmore slump from Doncic.

Why? Simmons won ROY in his sophomore season, so he obviously didn’t slump.

You're baiting me.

So I'm going to zig, do you think the Bulls finish with a better record then Dallas this year? Whos young core would you rather have Chicago or Dallas?

Dallas to both. You have no idea how not high I am on the Bulls’ future with this group. The nba is all about superstars. The Bulls have none. Dallas might have one.

[ballup]

According to NBA.com's matchups data cross referenced with BBall Reference's lineups, here are the estimated percentages of which position Simmons guards (playoff and playoff contenders only. Minimum 10 possessions):

PG = 16.5%
SG = 18.8%
SF = 23.3 %
PF = 24.1%
C = 17.2%



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[BIG Game]

Why? Simmons won ROY in his sophomore season, so he obviously didn’t slump.

You're baiting me.

So I'm going to zig, do you think the Bulls finish with a better record then Dallas this year? Whos young core would you rather have Chicago or Dallas?

Dallas to both. You have no idea how not high I am on the Bulls’ future with this group. The nba is all about superstars. The Bulls have none. Dallas might have one.

I think this core can compete and should make the playoffs this year. If they can’t then i think some changes need to be made, and only Mark is untouchable.

[Lowtech801]

You have already started with tearing down his teammates, just like you did when you called DeAndre Jordan(former all star) and Harrison Branes(champion) bums. I don't like when you have to use that in your argument.

I watched 55-60 Mavs games last season. Jordan was utter trash, G-league trash. Barnes does some things well and can be useful on some teams, but he played solely to pad his ppg, that's a fact, no way around it.and yeah, Kp is 18+7 who is Yao level injured, am I not right? I am.

I think that KP is overrated aswell, I just don't think we should criticise him even before he played 1 game for the Mavs. That just looks like a premade excuse for Doncic. Barnes doesn't strike me as a selfish player, but we can agree to disagree. I don't even think Doncic has to make the playoffs next year, I just think wee need to wait for him to play on a good team, before we compare him to proven players.

I wouldn't call Barnes is selfish either but he did constantly try to do more than he was actually capable of. If he stuck to his strengths (catch and shoot 3s and posting up smaller defenders) he'd be a pretty good player. But when he tried to take guys off the dribble 90% of the time it ended in disaster and he wouldn't ever learn.

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[Zespetjest]

All I know about Barnes is we all celebrated like crazy when he got an assist in a game. Which didn’t happen very often.

[Swish1906]

I expect sophmore slump from Doncic.

Why? Simmons won ROY in his sophomore season, so he obviously didn’t slump.

You're baiting me.

So I'm going to zig, do you think the Bulls finish with a better record then Dallas this year? Whos young core would you rather have Chicago or Dallas?

Cant compare records from the EC and WC

[sixerhp3]

I guess ya'll don't care about defense.... bunch of kids on here

[BIG Game]

Why? Simmons won ROY in his sophomore season, so he obviously didn’t slump.

You're baiting me.

So I'm going to zig, do you think the Bulls finish with a better record then Dallas this year? Whos young core would you rather have Chicago or Dallas?

Cant compare records from the EC and WC

That's ture. But I'll take what I can get in these tyring times.

[Buzzard]

Ben Simmons (23 y.o.) in 2018-19: 16.9 Pts, 8.8 Rebs, 7.7 Assists, 58.2 TS%, 20.07 PER.

Luka Doncic (20 y.o.) in 2018-19: 21.2 Pts, 7,8 Rebs, 6.0 Assists, 54.5 TS%, 19.61 PER.

This will be dependent on Doncic improving his efficiency. Otherwise they will be in similar boats needing to be surrounded by efficient players. A example of HOF shooting comparisons I like to use is Kobe Bryant vs Allen Iverson. Despite being bashed by a lot of non Laker fans, Kobe's career TS% is .550. AI's on the other hand is .518.

Where I am going with this is Ben Simmons helps his team by not shooting threes but he needs shooters around him. Until Doncic becomes more efficient, since efficiency and shooting threes is the name of today's game, someone on his team needs to be good at it as well.

This is so close with both players needing similar help from their teammates; but for different weaknesses. Simmons is no threat to shoot the three; which is his weakness vs Doncic who, at least in his rookie season ( .327 ), was below the league average for threes which is .355; that is his weakness. I voted Simmons due to his defense, next season Doncic could change my mind.

And before someone shouts Hawks fan no wonder. I give Trae the same critique as Doncic. He needs to become more efficient and a better three point shooter as well.

[nedleeds]

It's fine to like Simmons but he's not close to Doncic. Luka is younger, a decent enough athlete for a 19 year old just turning 20. He played last year with a dumpster roster of Tim Hardaway, DJ, Dirks Corpse and other retreads.

You're alone in picking Simmons, your own front office would ship Simmons so fast his "shooting" sleeve would rip off. He'd be absolutely unstoppable with Embiid in pick and roll.

Maybe that's why he averaged those numbers, because he was the focal point of the offense. Or lack thereof.

Simmons averaged higher rebounds and assists, while Luka only averaged 4 more points - while playing with corpses and retreads, as you say. While Simmons had a career year while playing with 3 other All-Star starters at the same time.

It's the opposite, Luka put up those numbers while being the sole focus of opposing defenses. Simmons puts his offensive numbers up being completely ignored as defenders play 8 feet off of him, terrified of Reddick and Embiid. Simmons for all his defensive chops is a 5th wheel in half-court offense.

Trading him to a team where he could play center would do wonders for him since he so far has shown no intention to shoot a basketball.

[scrabbarista]

Their offensive numbers were almost a wash last season. On defense, it's no contest. Doncic has more personality and is more entertaining and is probably going to have a better career (straight up, I like him more), but Simmons was the better player last season, and I voted for him for next season. I could be wrong. I'm probably not, though.