Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason

[Phillyboy]

Horford, Richardson, 34, and 36 to CLE for Exum, Osman, Nance, and some minimum dude named Dean Wade.

That's an interesting deal if you take away the picks

National guys keep saying it's going to cost two 1sts to dump Horford. Cavs aren't paying to dump any of their guys, count them as neutral salary filler. So if Richardson equals a 1st, 34 and 36 roughly equal another. But maybe since CLE wants to "hit the gas", they do it for only one of the 2nds?

Not interested. If we're making any trades they should be made with the intent that the new roster can legitimately compete for the title. Otherwise it's a waste of time. This trade doesn't move the needle. We have only so much window with Jo. And as for national guys saying we'd have to give up two firsts to get rid of Horford I disagree. If that's so then we keep him, define his role, and get the most out of a good solid front court player.

[the_process]

That's an interesting deal if you take away the picks

National guys keep saying it's going to cost two 1sts to dump Horford. Cavs aren't paying to dump any of their guys, count them as neutral salary filler. So if Richardson equals a 1st, 34 and 36 roughly equal another. But maybe since CLE wants to "hit the gas", they do it for only one of the 2nds?

Not interested. If we're making any trades they should be made with the intent that the new roster can legitimately compete for the title. Otherwise it's a waste of time. This trade doesn't move the needle. We have only so much window with Jo. And as for national guys saying we'd have to give up two firsts to get rid of Horford I disagree. If that's so then we keep him, define his role, and get the most out of a good solid front court player.

I don't think it's feasible to keep both Horford and Harris. And Harris' contract is even worse than Horford's. So breaking Al's deal up to fill out the bench is a decent idea.

As far as window of contention, that will have everything to do with Ben and Jo. Either they are the stars who can lead a team to a title or they are not.

[youngcrev]

I wonder if there's any chance a non-free agent destination type place would take on either Horford or Harris, figuring that they'd have to overpay to get someone to come there in free agency anyway.

Like, would Atlanta consider Tobias a good get for them? Would the Hornets take him for an expiring Batum?

[76ciology]

I wonder if there's any chance a non-free agent destination type place would take on either Horford or Harris, figuring that they'd have to overpay to get someone to come there in free agency anyway.

Like, would Atlanta consider Tobias a good get for them? Would the Hornets take him for an expiring Batum?

Spoiler:

One scenario im looking now is..

Trading Al and Tobi for attractive assets and cap relief. Which can help us in the short term. While also giving us the flexibility to trade the accumulated assets (with or without Biid and Ben) for a mvp caliber or top 5 talent.

Who's giving attractive assets and cap relief for Horford and Harris?

The teams who would kill just to make the playoffs. Teams who can’t get a superstar so they settle for multiple Tobias Harris type players.

Bobcats? Kings? Suns? Pacers? Wizards? Detroit? Knicks? Bulls? Grizzlies? Blazers?

Most of these teams already accept that they wont be able to use their cap to attract a top tier FA anyway, so for them cap doesnt matter much.

Then you factor in how weak this draft is.

Ive pointed it out and pretty much what ive been doing in my last 5 trade proposals here.

Wiz and Kings maybe interested in Al.
Nets, Grizzlies Bobcats and Bulls maybe interested in Tobi.

[76ciology]

Nets:

Tobias Harris

Reason:
Dinwiddie is out of place with Kyrie. Tobi gives them a 20ppg player who can compliment two ball dominant guys.

Kyrie-Lavert-KD-Tobi-DJ
^ pretty good starting 5

Kings:

Al Horford
Shake Milton

It all starts with Hield wanting to play for Sixers.
Kings can draft Nesmith with their pick to play starting SF.

Al compliments Bagley’s non existent 3pt shooting while Milton can compliment the ball dominant Fox. Al would be useful against 7 games series against the LAL or Den, something Holmes can’t provide against bigger Cs.

Fox-Milton-Nesmith-Bagley-Al

Bulls:

Josh Richardson
Prince
21st pick

- rather than losing Otto Porter to nothing next season they got a decent return with Jrich, Prince and 21st pick

Sixers:

Buddy Hield
Spencer Dinwiddie
Otto Porter

Dinwiddie
Hield
Otto Porter
Ben
Biid

Dinwiddie gives the sixers a much needed playmaking, who can also shoot.
Hield can play on or off the ball, a cheaper Tobias Harris. Porter can play decent defense and stretch the floor.

Any comments?

[youngcrev]

Without looking into it too much, it doesn't seem like it would work salary-wise for the Nets. I don't really see them as a good destination for Tobias, but I could be wrong.

Like it for us. Seems fine for the Kings/Bulls.

Post it on the trade board, see what people think.

[76ciology]

Without looking into it too much, it doesn't seem like it would work salary-wise for the Nets. I don't really see them as a good destination for Tobias, but I could be wrong.

Like it for us. Seems fine for the Kings/Bulls.

Post it on the trade board, see what people think.

Yup. I think im short by 10M.

Maybe just add Temple and musa’s contract.

I think Tobi would be a great fit for the Nets. Tobi is a good fit for a third member of a big three in the same mold of a Kevin Love, Klay or Ray Allen. Someone who can run up the score board off the ball. A much better fit than dinwiddie.

[youngcrev]

Without looking into it too much, it doesn't seem like it would work salary-wise for the Nets. I don't really see them as a good destination for Tobias, but I could be wrong.

Like it for us. Seems fine for the Kings/Bulls.

Post it on the trade board, see what people think.

Yup. I think im short by 10M.

Maybe just add Temple and musa’s contract.

I think Tobi would be a great fit for the Nets. Tobi is a good fit for a third member of a big three in the same mold of a Kevin Love, Klay or Ray Allen. Someone who can run up the score board off the ball. A much better fit than dinwiddie.

Well, he's certainly not the off ball threat that any of those guys are (particularly the latter 2). I'd think they'd be looking more of a versatile, defensive stopper type of forward. A guy like Paul George would be perfect there (though obviously he's not obtainable). A healthy Otto Porter would good there. Maybe there's something there with Porter going to BK, Dinwiddie coming here, and Chicago getting that same package?

[the_process]

BKN gets Otto Porter
CHI gets Zhaire, Scott, Richardson, Horford, 21, and 2021 NYK 2nd
PHI gets Felicio, Young, Dinwiddie, and Prince


Simmons/Milton
Dinwiddie/Korkmaz
Thybulle/Prince
Harris/Young
Embiid/Felicio/Pelle

[76ciology]

BKN gets Otto Porter
CHI gets Zhaire, Scott, Richardson, Horford, 21, and 2021 NYK 2nd
PHI gets Felicio, Young, Dinwiddie, and Prince


Simmons/Milton
Dinwiddie/Korkmaz
Thybulle/Prince
Harris/Young
Embiid/Felicio/Pelle

I’d then ship Feliciano, Young, Prince and Josh Rich, Milton and 21st pick (if necessary) for Buddy Hield

Dinwiddie
Hield
Tobias
Ben
Biid

I could then use Dinwiddie and Hield or just Ben straight up for Harden, again if necessary.

[phillynative]

BKN gets Otto Porter
CHI gets Zhaire, Scott, Richardson, Horford, 21, and 2021 NYK 2nd
PHI gets Felicio, Young, Dinwiddie, and Prince


Simmons/Milton
Dinwiddie/Korkmaz
Thybulle/Prince
Harris/Young
Embiid/Felicio/Pelle

I’d then ship Feliciano, Young, Prince and Josh Rich, Milton and 21st pick (if necessary) for Buddy Hield

Dinwiddie
Hield
Tobias
Ben
Biid

I could then use Dinwiddie and Hield or just Ben straight up for Harden, again if necessary.

A dinwiddie/ Hield backcourt would be underrated but nice. Dinwiddie would have to improve his spot up shooting and defense.

[youngcrev]

BKN gets Otto Porter
CHI gets Zhaire, Scott, Richardson, Horford, 21, and 2021 NYK 2nd
PHI gets Felicio, Young, Dinwiddie, and Prince


Simmons/Milton
Dinwiddie/Korkmaz
Thybulle/Prince
Harris/Young
Embiid/Felicio/Pelle

I’d then ship Feliciano, Young, Prince and Josh Rich, Milton and 21st pick (if necessary) for Buddy Hield

Dinwiddie
Hield
Tobias
Ben
Biid

I could then use Dinwiddie and Hield or just Ben straight up for Harden, again if necessary.

A dinwiddie/ Hield backcourt would be underrated but nice. Dinwiddie would have to improve his spot up shooting and defense.

He's shot around 37% on catch and shoot 3s over the last 3 years. His 3 point percentage gets dragged down by the ones he jacks off the dribble.

[51X3RF4N]

If Morey can find a way to get Harden and keep Simmons and Embiid...I would be shocked.

But, playing devil's advocate to Houston...

A lineup of:

Horford
Harris
Covington/Thybulle
Gordon/Zhaire
Westbrook

Is actually really solid overall. Throw in all 4 picks in this year's draft, and future picks...

Philly looks like

Embiid/Pelle
Simmons/Scott
Tucker/Korkmaz
Richardson/Shake
Harden/Rivers

With vets signed later.

[ankle420breaker]

If Morey can find a way to get Harden and keep Simmons and Embiid...I would be shocked.

But, playing devil's advocate to Houston...

A lineup of:

Horford
Harris
Covington/Thybulle
Gordon/Zhaire
Westbrook

Is actually really solid overall. Throw in all 4 picks in this year's draft, and future picks...

Philly looks like

Embiid/Pelle
Simmons/Scott
Tucker/Korkmaz
Richardson/Shake
Harden/Rivers

With vets signed later.

The riots in Houston would be epic.

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[Monix]

here's a Houston deal

Harris, Horford, Richardson, Zhaire, #21 (after PHI makes the pick), next year's 1st and a pick swap in 2022

for

Westbrook, Harden and Tucker

[youngcrev]

Houston has zero reason to do that

[Negrodamus]

Hey Houston, would you like our expensive trash and end of the round draft picks for one of the most prolific offensive players of all time? Thanks!

[youngcrev]

That's why houston put out that "we don't want Simmons for Harden" report. Because they really want Tobias instead

[youngcrev]

If Simmons/Embiid weren't on the table, it would have to be something like Harris/Thybulle/Shake and our 1st round picks for as far out as we can trade our 1st round picks.

And that ain't getting it done. I'd be pretty shocked if the Rockets traded Harden at all this year. Now, next year, if they flame out under a new coach with that aging roster and no flexibility, I could see a move being made.

[VDT]

I think the biggest obstacle to trading Harden might be Morey and his relation with the Rockets ownership.

Otherwise, the team has clearly peaked and is declining, they dont have much assets and the architects of the team have left. Even if the ownership wants to keep Harden i think that he will clearly see that they are wasting his last prime years for no real reason and ask for a trade sooner or later. The only difference is the amount of assets the Rockets will get.

On the other hand if the Sixers want to win with Embiid a trade like that is probably their best chance, as was, in hindsight, trading for Kawhi. The odds of getting a star without trading Embiid or Simmons are basically zero given the Horford and Harris contracts. It is possible that if they refuse to make the Simmons-Harden trade (if it is available), the Sixers will be in the Rockets position with having to trade either Embiid or Simmons as it will be hard to justify (primarily to the players) this pairing. And next year there might not be a similar trade available.