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He is just butt hurt because he knows super stars arent ever going to be interested in his pathetic organization. It has been great for the league.. its increased the competition and given us better teams to watch, but I admit that at first I didnt like it

If you go on vacation where do you want to go in the US? Either Miami, LA, SF, Boston, Las Vegas. You would only consider midwest during the summer.

How is this relevant?

JordansBulls wrote:

DaT WaVeY RiCaN wrote:

JordansBulls wrote:If you go on vacation where do you want to go in the US? Either Miami, LA, SF, Boston, Las Vegas. You would only consider midwest during the summer.

Who goes to Boston for vacation lol

A lot have you ever been? Hotel prices are ridiculous.

Im from CT lol. New Englanders dont goto Boston for Vacation. They goto places like Cape Cod or Hampton Beach in New Hampshere

Hotel prices are always expensive in major cities. I love Boston tho. Dope city

Is it about winning at all cost or is it about fairness?

Michael Jordan wrote:Tanking hurts the league more than stars teaming up. Maybe he should focus on helping his team make the playoffs.

Outside of the 2011 season, WHEN has Jordan EVER tanked? Please enlighten me. PLEASE. I can't wait for your reply.

prophet_of_rage wrote:Players back in his day wouldn't.

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Sedale Threatt wrote:So if the Bulls had somehow managed to clear out enough cap space to sign Shaq without gutting the team, Jordan would have stepped up and put his foot down? "Nah, I don't want this much talent, I want to keep it competitive."

Right. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

And if the team didn´t do that, Jordan surely would be moaning, crying and recruiting guys by his own? Riiiight.

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OGLife wrote:When he says "hurts the league" he means the owners of teams that are not destinations

Or... more importantly... the fans of those teams.

I know as a collective, player allegiances have skyrocketed compared to how fans used to be more provincial. But there's still a very significant percentage of fans that root for their favorite teams first.

And as has become the case in recent years... the fans are the last people considered.

- I get why owners don't prioritize fans.
- I get why players don't prioritize fans.
- I do NOT understand why fans don't prioritize themselves.

I mean as a fan of the NBA, you should appreciate having superteams; particularly ones vs LeBron.

The 2016 NBA finals is a top 3 most viewed game in NBA history. The first 2 are from the 90s.

The talent pool in today's NBA is much larger than 20-30 years ago. 2-3 stars in one team is pretty normal now.

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prophet_of_rage wrote:Why do you guys listen to MJ? The man said players should make whatever amount as a player and owners should sell their team if they couldn't afford it and then said the exact opposite as an owner. He says players teaming up.is bad for the league but had a four all-star team with Scottie being paid peanuts to make it work. He will only say what's in his best interests.

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4 Allstar team? Is this the thread were we just make things up?

Sorry ... 3 All Star team. Harper was never an All-Star but he was a 20 point scorer the season before playing point for the Bulls.

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He is just butt hurt because he knows super stars arent ever going to be interested in his pathetic organization. It has been great for the league.. its increased the competition and given us better teams to watch, but I admit that at first I didnt like it

Laker fans treating this like a personal insult, gee wonder why....way to stay classy.

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prophet_of_rage wrote:Players back in his day wouldn't.

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Couldn't. They were signing 10 year contracts with no max slots. Couldn't. Why did guys like Malone and Payton end their careers ring chasing if they wouldn't? Why did Shaq ring chase for the end of his career?

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FreeThrowLine wrote:

prophet_of_rage wrote:Why do you guys listen to MJ? The man said players should make whatever amount as a player and owners should sell their team if they couldn't afford it and then said the exact opposite as an owner. He says players teaming up.is bad for the league but had a four all-star team with Scottie being paid peanuts to make it work. He will only say what's in his best interests.

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4 Allstar team? Is this the thread were we just make things up?

Yeah know in 96 when they had the big 4 jordan pippen rodman and robert parish.
Or he is talking about when the bulls had pippen grant jordan and bj.
Funny how he does not mention the bulls had jordan as 32nd highest paid player in the league. And was only 2 times the highest earner in the league.

Jordan and Pippen's salaries are what allowed them to fit in the best rebounder in Rodman and 6th man Kukoc. And Ron Harper.

He had the only superteam possible in the 90s.

You don't want superstar teacups... get rid of the max slot. But MJ won't be for that as an owner.

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Brofessor24 wrote:

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Are you denying there isn't a massive loss of interest in the NBA? The ratings are a fact.

It isn't because of super teams.

It most certainly is a big reason and their all encompassing effort to draw in the "casual" fan means there is no loyalty. For example the Warriors were trash this year so their ratings fell off the face of the earth.

There are of course other reasons for the ratings like China. Entering into politics. Looks out of place with no fans.

I disagree with your opinion.

Got Nuffin wrote:None of the Jordan Bulls were super teams. They had Jordan + Pippen (who would not have been anywhere near the player he became if not playing alongside Jordan) + usually one high end role player in Grant or Rodman (lol at anyone calling him a superstar - no team even wanted him before Chicago took him on as a reclamation project), Kukoc + usually a bunch of players who would be nobodies outside of the Bulls.

If Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing or David Robinson had forced a trade to the '95 Bulls then you would have a super team akin to the Warriors team adding Durant. Imagine the havoc that team would wreak.

The Bulls from 1991-1993 and from 1996-1998 were super teams.

Ritzo wrote:The talent pool in today's NBA is much larger than 20-30 years ago. 2-3 stars in one team is pretty normal now.

Truth. This is what old heads can't understand.

Brofessor24 wrote:

Got Nuffin wrote:None of the Jordan Bulls were super teams. They had Jordan + Pippen (who would not have been anywhere near the player he became if not playing alongside Jordan) + usually one high end role player in Grant or Rodman (lol at anyone calling him a superstar - no team even wanted him before Chicago took him on as a reclamation project), Kukoc + usually a bunch of players who would be nobodies outside of the Bulls.

If Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing or David Robinson had forced a trade to the '95 Bulls then you would have a super team akin to the Warriors team adding Durant. Imagine the havoc that team would wreak.

The Bulls from 1991-1993 and from 1996-1998 were super teams.

I disagree with your opinion.

OdomFan wrote:

Brofessor24 wrote:

Got Nuffin wrote:None of the Jordan Bulls were super teams. They had Jordan + Pippen (who would not have been anywhere near the player he became if not playing alongside Jordan) + usually one high end role player in Grant or Rodman (lol at anyone calling him a superstar - no team even wanted him before Chicago took him on as a reclamation project), Kukoc + usually a bunch of players who would be nobodies outside of the Bulls.

If Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing or David Robinson had forced a trade to the '95 Bulls then you would have a super team akin to the Warriors team adding Durant. Imagine the havoc that team would wreak.

The Bulls from 1991-1993 and from 1996-1998 were super teams.

I disagree with your opinion.

Fair enough. I personally believe it is laughable that some folks believe that those Bulls teams were not super teams. If winning three in a row doesn't make you a super team, I don't know what will.

I guess some misguided folks have been led to believe that super teams are wrong, which is a flawed way of thinking.

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He is just butt hurt because he knows super stars arent ever going to be interested in his pathetic organization. It has been great for the league.. its increased the competition and given us better teams to watch, but I admit that at first I didnt like it

Laker fans treating this like a personal insult, gee wonder why....way to stay classy.

Not butt hurt, the Lakers has the trophy, What doed Jordan have? Nothing... lmao

Brofessor24 wrote:

OdomFan wrote:

Brofessor24 wrote:
The Bulls from 1991-1993 and from 1996-1998 were super teams.

I disagree with your opinion.

Fair enough. I personally believe it is laughable that some folks believe that those Bulls teams were not super teams. If winning three in a row doesn't make you a super team, I don't know what will.

I guess some misguided folks have been led to believe that super teams are wrong, which is a flawed way of thinking.

So you think being a super team is all about winning 3 championships in a row? What about the actual level of talent on the overall roster?

The Fact is the Bulls only had 2 true stars on both 3 peat squads which was Jordan and Pippen. The rest of the guys were role players who were good at playing those roles they were put on the floor to play within Phil Jacksons triangle, and yes that does include Dennis Rodman, Toni Kukoc and Horace Grant.

I think being a role player has become a tad bit underrated by some on here. Role players are not scrubs. They are very much important pieces to every championship squad that contributes to said championships.

In reality, the elite players working together to be on the same team has been great for the league. It helped the Clippers get close to the finals in spite of their collapse, the Warriors got a ring or two but and the Lakers. None of these teams had won in a long time for the most part..