Ainge misses out on another superstar, overrated GM

[NoZoLakers]

We’ve been to 3 conference finals in 4 seasons whilst still in “rebuild” mode. But apparently it’s better to rebuild like the Sixers, Hawks or any other team in the eastern conference who has rebuilt over the last decade.

How the mighty has fallen.

Boston is now satisfied with just reaching the ECF and comparing their franchise with 76ers and Hawks?!?!

The only teams that have won in the last decade have featured Lebron, Curry, Kawhi or Dirk.

So there are only a handful of teams who have been in better position in the last decade.

Obviously we’d prefer championships, but we’ve been ultra competitive while going through a complete rebuild yet everyone says it’s a complete failure. Then pretty much every team is a complete failure now.

Lakers are lucky Lebron wanted to go to LA to set up his post basketball career and happened to managed one of the best superstars to force his way to his team otherwise you’d be in mediocrity like you were post Kobe.

lakers couldve also said Pelicans asking price for AD was to high n sat on their hands and waited on Zo or Ingram to get them a chip

[halifax]

Yeah, that “overrating” got them Garnett and Kemba and 15 years straight of deep playoffs.

don't include kemba. it ruins your entire post.

Oh I'm sorry , are there 30 Steph Currys to go around?

I love GMs who let starters walk and don't try to replace them with all-stars.

more like hayward. and he was available.

[Tai]

they overrate all their players.
gerald green
rozier, smart
al jefferson
and yes even tatum (he's a top 25 player but not a superstar)
jaylen brown is an above average starter.

you don't get many chances to pair prime tatum with a superstar like harden.

On the bolded: wasn't Al Jefferson the main piece to go for KG? Just for people to claim that deal only happened cause McHale and Ainge were buddies?

[Tai]

They were capped out at the ECF last year, now they won't even get that far. Bucks and Nets clearly better.

They could have gotten it done for Brown, filler and picks. Ainge is a moron.

Capped out? How can you say that when they were led by a 22 and 23 year old players and have a team full of rookie contract players? Even when Kemba’s contract is over Tatum and Brown still won’t be in their prime. People are very short sided, Harden and JD might not even be in Brooklyn in two years...

I don't see how improvements in Tatum/Brown are going to make up for losing Hayward for nothing. Look how well he is playing in Charlotte. If you added him back to your roster you guys would be looking great. Of course it's a risky move. I just think Ainge had enough picks to flip Brown for Harden and still fill out whatever the team needs. You want an all-star big to go with Harden/Smart/Tatum/Theis? Ship some of those picks to Orlando for Vucevic, etc.

I almost missed this, but on the bolded why would the Magic only give Vucevic up for picks? If anything they would probably want Brown too. If all they want is picks then I'd gladly just send them back and get Vucevic. Something tells me the Celtics' cap can fit in Brown + Vucevic easier than Harden + Vucevic anyway.

It's already been reported FWIW that the Rockets wanted Brown + Smart; just Brown probably means so many picks that we don't have enough for Vucevic.

[twyzted]

How the mighty has fallen.

Boston is now satisfied with just reaching the ECF and comparing their franchise with 76ers and Hawks?!?!

The only teams that have won in the last decade have featured Lebron, Curry, Kawhi or Dirk.

So there are only a handful of teams who have been in better position in the last decade.

Obviously we’d prefer championships, but we’ve been ultra competitive while going through a complete rebuild yet everyone says it’s a complete failure. Then pretty much every team is a complete failure now.

Lakers are lucky Lebron wanted to go to LA to set up his post basketball career and happened to managed one of the best superstars to force his way to his team otherwise you’d be in mediocrity like you were post Kobe.

lakers couldve also said Pelicans asking price for AD was to high n sat on their hands and waited on Zo or Ingram to get them a chip

The lakers had Lebron when they traded for AD?
I dont think they wouldve traded all those guys to pair AD with Kuzma and Rondo.
I thought that was blatantly obvious even for a "rival team fan"

[AussieCeltic]

they overrate all their players.
gerald green
rozier, smart
al jefferson
and yes even tatum (he's a top 25 player but not a superstar)
jaylen brown is an above average starter.

you don't get many chances to pair prime tatum with a superstar like harden.

Every team overrated their players. How about Raptors fans?

- OG is supposed to be the best young wing in league according to you
- FVV is apparently some all star quality guy
- Y’all think Lowry is a lock for HOF when he has only one all nba (third team) appearance
- There was a 10 page thread about Malachi Flynn after one good pre season game
- Terence Davis was apparently “untradeable” to Raptors fans last season. Where’s he at?

Let’s go back and see the hype for guys like Andrea Bargnani & Bruno Cabloco (who is still 2 seasons away from being 2 seasons away).

It happens. Fans hype up their teams players.

[Metallikid]

Capped out? How can you say that when they were led by a 22 and 23 year old players and have a team full of rookie contract players? Even when Kemba’s contract is over Tatum and Brown still won’t be in their prime. People are very short sided, Harden and JD might not even be in Brooklyn in two years...

I don't see how improvements in Tatum/Brown are going to make up for losing Hayward for nothing. Look how well he is playing in Charlotte. If you added him back to your roster you guys would be looking great. Of course it's a risky move. I just think Ainge had enough picks to flip Brown for Harden and still fill out whatever the team needs. You want an all-star big to go with Harden/Smart/Tatum/Theis? Ship some of those picks to Orlando for Vucevic, etc.

I almost missed this, but on the bolded why would the Magic only give Vucevic up for picks? If anything they would probably want Brown too. If all they want is picks then I'd gladly just send them back and get Vucevic. Something tells me the Celtics' cap can fit in Brown + Vucevic easier than Harden + Vucevic anyway.

It's already been reported FWIW that the Rockets wanted Brown + Smart; just Brown probably means so many picks that we don't have enough for Vucevic.

I don't think Vucevic is worth Brown and picks and I'm pretty sure the Magic don't either. They need to actually bottom out and stop being the 8th seed and so they need to get value for Vucevic. You have a TPE that can absorb him so you could probably actually get him specifically just for picks. Maybe it would take Smart to Houston as well to reroute some picks to Orlando, but a Walker/Harden/Tatum/Vucevic/Theis lineup would **** people up let's be honest.

[NoZoLakers]

The only teams that have won in the last decade have featured Lebron, Curry, Kawhi or Dirk.

So there are only a handful of teams who have been in better position in the last decade.

Obviously we’d prefer championships, but we’ve been ultra competitive while going through a complete rebuild yet everyone says it’s a complete failure. Then pretty much every team is a complete failure now.

Lakers are lucky Lebron wanted to go to LA to set up his post basketball career and happened to managed one of the best superstars to force his way to his team otherwise you’d be in mediocrity like you were post Kobe.

lakers couldve also said Pelicans asking price for AD was to high n sat on their hands and waited on Zo or Ingram to get them a chip

The lakers had Lebron when they traded for AD?
I dont think they wouldve traded all those guys to pair AD with Kuzma and Rondo.
I thought that was blatantly obvious even for a "rival team fan"

was Tatum a Kuzma/Rondo? Pelicans werent demanding both tatum n brown

[scottyno]

lakers couldve also said Pelicans asking price for AD was to high n sat on their hands and waited on Zo or Ingram to get them a chip

The lakers had Lebron when they traded for AD?
I dont think they wouldve traded all those guys to pair AD with Kuzma and Rondo.
I thought that was blatantly obvious even for a "rival team fan"

n Bos would've gotten to keep tatum,smart....tatum was quite good already

Yeah and contention windows for a mid 30s Lebron and a young rising star in Tatum are exactly the same...

[NoZoLakers]

The lakers had Lebron when they traded for AD?
I dont think they wouldve traded all those guys to pair AD with Kuzma and Rondo.
I thought that was blatantly obvious even for a "rival team fan"

n Bos would've gotten to keep tatum,smart....tatum was quite good already

Yeah and contention windows for a mid 30s Lebron and a young rising star in Tatum are exactly the same...

waiting on brown n Tatum to bring bos a chip could end up like kd/russ in okc

[scottyno]

n Bos would've gotten to keep tatum,smart....tatum was quite good already

Yeah and contention windows for a mid 30s Lebron and a young rising star in Tatum are exactly the same...

waiting on brown n Tatum to bring bos a chip could end up like kd/russ in okc

And trading one of them for butler/george/harden/whoever only to see that player leave and you get nothing in a year has them end up where exactly?

There's no comparison at all between the lakers once they added lebron and the Cs situation, the lakers had to go all in to win now because it was a very limited window, everyone knew that.

[Pharmcat]

Yeah and contention windows for a mid 30s Lebron and a young rising star in Tatum are exactly the same...

waiting on brown n Tatum to bring bos a chip could end up like kd/russ in okc

And trading one of them for butler/george/harden/whoever only to see that player leave and you get nothing in a year has them end up where exactly?

There's no comparison at all between the lakers once they added lebron and the Cs situation, the lakers had to go all in to win now because it was a very limited window, everyone knew that.

If you win a ring it’s worth it...just ask the raptor fans

[cl2117]

waiting on brown n Tatum to bring bos a chip could end up like kd/russ in okc

And trading one of them for butler/george/harden/whoever only to see that player leave and you get nothing in a year has them end up where exactly?

There's no comparison at all between the lakers once they added lebron and the Cs situation, the lakers had to go all in to win now because it was a very limited window, everyone knew that.

If you win a ring it’s worth it...just ask the raptor fans

Of course you'd have to ask the Raptors about it, Knicks fans know nothing about winning championships.

Boo this man. Terrible thread. I'm sorry Ainge never called your mom back, but let it go.

[Patsfan1081]

they overrate all their players.
gerald green
rozier, smart
al Jefferson’s
and yes even tatum (he's a top 25 player but not a superstar)
jaylen brown is an above average starter.

you don't get many chances to pair prime tatum with a superstar like harden.

Of course every fan overates their players but your evaluations are also ridiculous. Tatum was just a all mba player at 22 and calling Brown a average starter at this point is ridiculous with the way he’s played the last two seasons. How many star players has Harden been paired with in the past decade? And all we’ve heard is Ainge losing max players for nothing yet your slamming him for not trading for one of the most unstable ones in the league. At some point it becomes apparent that no matter what he does he’ll get hate because of the city he’s in.

[Patsfan1081]

waiting on brown n Tatum to bring bos a chip could end up like kd/russ in okc

And trading one of them for butler/george/harden/whoever only to see that player leave and you get nothing in a year has them end up where exactly?

There's no comparison at all between the lakers once they added lebron and the Cs situation, the lakers had to go all in to win now because it was a very limited window, everyone knew that.

If you win a ring it’s worth it...just ask the raptor fans

Who did Toronto have to go through for a title? It’s also very different when you’re team has never won one. It takes a lot of luck outside of the talent, a out of shape disgruntled Harden far from guarantees you a title.

[Mansurton]

they overrate all their players.
gerald green
rozier, smart
al jefferson
and yes even tatum (he's a top 25 player but not a superstar)
jaylen brown is an above average starter.

you don't get many chances to pair prime tatum with a superstar like harden.

Every team overrated their players. How about Raptors fans?

- OG is supposed to be the best young wing in league according to you
- FVV is apparently some all star quality guy
- Y’all think Lowry is a lock for HOF when he has only one all nba (third team) appearance
- There was a 10 page thread about Malachi Flynn after one good pre season game
- Terence Davis was apparently “untradeable” to Raptors fans last season. Where’s he at?

Let’s go back and see the hype for guys like Andrea Bargnani & Bruno Cabloco (who is still 2 seasons away from being 2 seasons away).

It happens. Fans hype up their teams players.

3 - 8

Remember the famous words of FVV "They f'd up now"

[Pharmcat]

And trading one of them for butler/george/harden/whoever only to see that player leave and you get nothing in a year has them end up where exactly?

There's no comparison at all between the lakers once they added lebron and the Cs situation, the lakers had to go all in to win now because it was a very limited window, everyone knew that.

If you win a ring it’s worth it...just ask the raptor fans

Who did Toronto have to go through for a title? It’s also very different when you’re team has never won one. It takes a lot of luck outside of the talent, a out of shape disgruntled Harden far from guarantees you a title.

there is no guarantee in life. you have to take risks. Teams that have taken risks by giving up the farm (LAL getting AD) or Raps getting KL have ended up winning. Boston wasted this past decade spilling into this year by having a war chest of assets but failing to capitalize on it.

[scottyno]

If you win a ring it’s worth it...just ask the raptor fans

Who did Toronto have to go through for a title? It’s also very different when you’re team has never won one. It takes a lot of luck outside of the talent, a out of shape disgruntled Harden far from guarantees you a title.

there is no guarantee in life. you have to take risks. Teams that have taken risks by giving up the farm (LAL getting AD) or Raps getting KL have ended up winning. Boston wasted this past decade spilling into this year by having a war chest of assets but failing to capitalize on it.

Raptors didn't give up the farm, they gave up a guy they wanted to get rid of anyway. Sure there was a risk, but it was pretty minimal downside for them if it didn't work.

Lakers had no choice but to take the risk (which really wasn't that much of a risk because they knew AD was coming for the long haul) because they had an aging Lebron.

And the Celtics didn't "waste" anything, they put together several really good teams that had terrible injury luck. Also not quite sure how a team that's only had tatum and brown for 3 years can have wasted a decade, but I get that you've decided to hate on them for some reason.

[Pharmcat]

Who did Toronto have to go through for a title? It’s also very different when you’re team has never won one. It takes a lot of luck outside of the talent, a out of shape disgruntled Harden far from guarantees you a title.

there is no guarantee in life. you have to take risks. Teams that have taken risks by giving up the farm (LAL getting AD) or Raps getting KL have ended up winning. Boston wasted this past decade spilling into this year by having a war chest of assets but failing to capitalize on it.

Raptors didn't give up the farm, they gave up a guy they wanted to get rid of anyway. Sure there was a risk, but it was pretty minimal downside for them if it didn't work.

Lakers had no choice but to take the risk (which really wasn't that much of a risk because they knew AD was coming for the long haul) because they had an aging Lebron.

And the Celtics didn't "waste" anything, they put together several really good teams that had terrible injury luck. Also not quite sure how a team that's only had tatum and brown for 3 years can have wasted a decade, but I get that you've decided to hate on them for some reason.

Since KL didn’t require giving up the farm for, that only proves my point on ainge. He is too attached to his draft pick assets.

[scottyno]

there is no guarantee in life. you have to take risks. Teams that have taken risks by giving up the farm (LAL getting AD) or Raps getting KL have ended up winning. Boston wasted this past decade spilling into this year by having a war chest of assets but failing to capitalize on it.

Raptors didn't give up the farm, they gave up a guy they wanted to get rid of anyway. Sure there was a risk, but it was pretty minimal downside for them if it didn't work.

Lakers had no choice but to take the risk (which really wasn't that much of a risk because they knew AD was coming for the long haul) because they had an aging Lebron.

And the Celtics didn't "waste" anything, they put together several really good teams that had terrible injury luck. Also not quite sure how a team that's only had tatum and brown for 3 years can have wasted a decade, but I get that you've decided to hate on them for some reason.

Since KL didn’t require giving up the farm for, that only proves my point on ainge. He is too attached to his draft pick assets.

Yeah the Celtics should have traded Derozan for Kawhi....

The spurs wanted brown and smart for 1 year of kawhi, pretty sure giving up 2 of your 3 best young players counts as giving up the farm, especially when one is now a 24 year old all star caliber wing