Hal’s Draft Thread

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Maybe Lamelo was on a bad team in Australia, compared to Giddey's team? Lamelo is on a charlotte team with a pretty good amount of talent around him..

Melo's team was complete trash basket, Giddey's is half decent.

Just another Aussie throwing my hat in the "Draft Giddey" ring.

[threrf23]

I haven’t seen a whole lot of that but my mate (he’s not saying he’s the next Doncic by ANY means) but says he’s very similar. Real savvy player and cool calm collected in the clutch.

I mean, he's built (physically) more like Larry Bird...

[aporel18]

By the time Celtics pick, if at all, Giddey will be gone. Giddey looks like a good prospect, but he'll need a lot of time to develop. Unlike Lamelo, his athleticism isn't nothing to call home about, and being a tall guy, the ballhandling is always a weak area if you're going to have the ball in your hands a lot.

I see him developing into a better, more aesthetic Joe Ingles, and that would be a very good player, but Joe had to develop overseas before getting the opportunity. Hopefully Josh is drafted by a team that has some patience and gives him a fair chance. Aussies are usually also tough competitors, so I hope he has a very good career.

That said, comparing him to Doncic won't do any good to the kid. At 16, Doncic was doing what Josh does, but better and against superior competition. At 18, Doncic was dominating Euroleague. Comparing any prospects to Doncic won't do any good to them. Usman Garuba is the best NBA prospect playing in Spain since Doncic, and while completely different players, people were comparing their career path, and expecting Usman to dominate at the same stages Doncic did, leading to some disappointment around the kid. Only in the last couple months, when Usman has shown he can dominate on defense, people are seeming to appreciate his game, somehow deluded after watching how Luka had grown as a player before their eyes being so young.

This is nothing you can expect from a 16 year old kid, but he's a talented player who did that against one of the top European teams:

Watch on YouTube

[playa-hater]

Linking this site because many of the top 10 picks have a Youtube video ready to go on each player, which will save some time to look up.


https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/lists/2021-nba-mock-draft-consensus-4-top-prospects-draft-order/

* on all 4 recent mocks that have come out, all have Kai Jones is being selected by Char, which makes sense for them.

No Mock has Giddy past 13.

Jalen Johnson is all over the place from 7 to 24.

[playa-hater]

Based only on early mocks, my favorite player that at THIS TIME is being mocked around our pick is Ziaire Williams. As I said already, and believe it even more, He is J Tatum - lite. Too good to pass up despite not being our top needed position. Needs to bulk up like Tatum did. But a long, versatile, shooter, scorer, creator who can play defense is always good to have.

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Based only on early mocks, my favorite player that at THIS TIME is being mocked around our pick is Ziaire Williams. As I said already, and believe it even more, He is J Tatum - lite. Too good to pass up despite not being our top needed position. Needs to bulk up like Tatum did. But a long, versatile, shooter, scorer, creator who can play defense is always good to have.

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Watch on YouTube

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But we already have Tatum. Why would we want a worse version of Tatum?

We have a logjam at the wing position (Tatum, Langford, Brown, Fournier, Smart, Nesmith, Ojeleye)

IMO, wing is the last thing we need. These are our biggest needs:

1) A legit stretch 4. Someone like Tatum but bigger and with better rebounding/inside scoring/rim protection...someone like a Jalen Johnson...so Tatum can play more at the 3 (his natural position) and also so we don't have to play Grant W, Ojeleye and parker so many mins at the 4

2) A pure PG, floor general with good size and passing ability, who can also defend and shoot well enough to keep defenses honest...like Gibbey

3) A center with good size to bang with opposing bigs in the paint but also with the quickness/agility to switch on screens, plays hard..and if he can stretch the floor with outside shooting, even better. Like Mobley but obviously no way we're getting him..

You do your best to fill one of these needs with the 16th pick, or possibly try and trade up to get a good player who fills one of these needs if you're not wild about the guys who will actually be available at the 16 spot..or just trade the pick for a veteran who fills one of the above 3 needs since we're one of the youngest teams in the league this season which is no doubt a reason for our inconsistency, underachieving and poor defense - teams who are very young are usually inconsistent, they typically underachieve and they typically aren't as good defensively, so maybe instead of getting younger we trade the pick and get older..

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I'm thinking now the C's bundle this and their second-round pick into their trades. Smart? Thompson? Walker? They bring Yam over as their only effective rookie next season. Otherwise try to go bigger and more veteran than they were this year.

[playa-hater]

Based only on early mocks, my favorite player that at THIS TIME is being mocked around our pick is Ziaire Williams. As I said already, and believe it even more, He is J Tatum - lite. Too good to pass up despite not being our top needed position. Needs to bulk up like Tatum did. But a long, versatile, shooter, scorer, creator who can play defense is always good to have.

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Watch on YouTube

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But we already have Tatum. Why would we want a worse version of Tatum?

We have a logjam at the wing position (Tatum, Langford, Brown, Fournier, Smart, Nesmith, Ojeleye)

IMO, wing is the last thing we need. These are our biggest needs:

1) A legit stretch 4. Someone like Tatum but bigger and with better rebounding/inside scoring/rim protection...someone like a Jalen Johnson...so Tatum can play more at the 3 (his natural position) and also so we don't have to play Grant W, Ojeleye and parker so many mins at the 4

2) A pure PG, floor general with good size and passing ability, who can also defend and shoot well enough to keep defenses honest...like Gibbey

3) A center with good size to bang with opposing bigs in the paint but also with the quickness/agility to switch on screens, plays hard..and if he can stretch the floor with outside shooting, even better. Like Mobley but obviously no way we're getting him..

You do your best to fill one of these needs with the 16th pick, or possibly try and trade up to get a good player who fills one of these needs if you're not wild about the guys who will actually be available at the 16 spot..or just trade the pick for a veteran who fills one of the above 3 needs since we're one of the youngest teams in the league this season which is no doubt a reason for our inconsistency, underachieving and poor defense - teams who are very young are usually inconsistent, they typically underachieve and they typically aren't as good defensively, so maybe instead of getting younger we trade the pick and get older..

saying a "worse version" of Tatum sounds like you don't like Tatum. And Yes we have other bigger needs but you don't draft a lesser player on a need. If there is equal value at the other positions then by all means draft them.

Meanwhile of your Wing list - Semi is gone. Romeo is way too unproven as a shooter. Fournier is NOT guaranteed to come back, Smart may be traded or gone after a year. My philosophy of switch-able wings with 2 way abilities are hardest to get and they are the Top position in today's NBA game.

you also mentioned 2 players who may very well be long gone.

Again, still early and we all have our "binkies" just stating why I like ZW..

did mention before a trade up may be ideal if they can get a trade partner.

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Based only on early mocks, my favorite player that at THIS TIME is being mocked around our pick is Ziaire Williams. As I said already, and believe it even more, He is J Tatum - lite. Too good to pass up despite not being our top needed position. Needs to bulk up like Tatum did. But a long, versatile, shooter, scorer, creator who can play defense is always good to have.

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Watch on YouTube

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But we already have Tatum. Why would we want a worse version of Tatum?

We have a logjam at the wing position (Tatum, Langford, Brown, Fournier, Smart, Nesmith, Ojeleye)

IMO, wing is the last thing we need. These are our biggest needs:

1) A legit stretch 4. Someone like Tatum but bigger and with better rebounding/inside scoring/rim protection...someone like a Jalen Johnson...so Tatum can play more at the 3 (his natural position) and also so we don't have to play Grant W, Ojeleye and parker so many mins at the 4

2) A pure PG, floor general with good size and passing ability, who can also defend and shoot well enough to keep defenses honest...like Gibbey

3) A center with good size to bang with opposing bigs in the paint but also with the quickness/agility to switch on screens, plays hard..and if he can stretch the floor with outside shooting, even better. Like Mobley but obviously no way we're getting him..

You do your best to fill one of these needs with the 16th pick, or possibly try and trade up to get a good player who fills one of these needs if you're not wild about the guys who will actually be available at the 16 spot..or just trade the pick for a veteran who fills one of the above 3 needs since we're one of the youngest teams in the league this season which is no doubt a reason for our inconsistency, underachieving and poor defense - teams who are very young are usually inconsistent, they typically underachieve and they typically aren't as good defensively, so maybe instead of getting younger we trade the pick and get older..

saying a "worse version" of Tatum sounds like you don't like Tatum. And Yes we have other bigger needs but you don't draft a lesser player on a need. If there is equal value at the other positions then by all means draft them.

Meanwhile of your Wing list - Semi is gone. Romeo is way too unproven as a shooter. Fournier is NOT guaranteed to come back, Smart may be traded or gone after a year. My philosophy of switch-able wings with 2 way abilities are hardest to get and they are the Top position in today's NBA game.

you also mentioned 2 players who may very well be long gone.

Again, still early and we all have our "binkies" just stating why I like ZW..

did mention before a trade up may be ideal if they can get a trade partner.

1) No, I love Tatum. Just saying, we already have tatum. So it's redundant to add another guy who's just like Tatum, especially if that player is like Tatum but not as good as him

2) I get it, I know switchable wings who are 2 way players are super valuable in the modern NBA, you're preaching to the choir.

3) I know it's not a sure thing that Fournier resigns here. And I know Smart might get traded. But Smart is 27 and Fournier is 28. They're both in their prime. So I get that there's a chance that 1 of them is gone next season but IMO Ainge would be an idiot if we start next season without Fournier and Smart. IMO we need to keep 1 of them, or both of them, but starting next season without both of them would be a mistake - then you compound that mistake by drafting Zaire Williams because then we're a young team that is getting even younger. You'd have 3 baby/young/raw/developing wings all on the same team competing for mins with Langford (age 21), Nesmith (age 21) and Williams (age 19). It's bad enough that we have 2 baby/young/raw/developing wings, we don't need 3. Unless you draft Williams but then turn around and trade either Williams or Nesmith or Langford.

Getting rid of Fournier (age 28) and/or Smart (age 27) and drafting Williams (age 19) would be a terrible mistake. We need to get older - not younger. The youngest teams in the league this year: OKC, MIN, MEM, ORL, DET, NOR, BOS, CHA, SAC, SAN. None of of those teams are even close to being a contender and most of them are at the bottom of the standings.

4) I get that Langford is unproven as a shooter. But a) he's a better defender than Nesmith. b) Langford had surgery on his wrist earlier this season, and the surgery was on his shooting hand. It's expected that his shot isn't quite there yet c) Bottom line, you're not going to give up on Langford yet, you're going to keep developing him. Dude has barely played 50 NBA games, only had 1 season of college ball, has battled injuries and COVID, but has a ton of upside which is why he was a lottery pick. Nesmith was a lottery pick too. We picked Nesmith in the lottery last year and we picked Langford in the lottery year before that. We need to stick with these guys, keep developing them...and NOT draft a wing with our first pick for the 3rd year in a row - especially not draft a wing with the 16th pick which is after Langford and Nesmith got picked which means Williams probably won't be as good as those guys anyways.

I don't want another wing. Either a stretch 4, a big man or a pass-first PG with size, please. Or trade the pick for a veteran who fills 1 of those 3 voids since we need to get older, not younger..

[BostonCouchGM]

we really only have 6 guys we should move forward with

Pritchard
Nesmith-Langford
Brown
Tatum
Williams

everyone else should be moved or not signed. Keeping any of the others will only further ensure we remain mediocre pretenders. This of course means we're in store for a mini-rebuild. But it's imperative if we hope to retain Tatum long term. We need for our team to be legit contenders 2023 and beyond. Running it back with very flawed players like Kemba, Fournier and Smart getting major minutes will cost us Tatum imo.

The good news is the above starting five and Langford as the 6th man is one of the better 1-6 in the league. We just need Danny to find long, athletic role players to surround them with. That's where I see our 3 2021 draft picks coming in to play. We should be able to find upgrades over our bench scrubs no problem. I'm honestly not interested in guys who will never be special but think they are, like Ziaire Williams, BJ Boston, or Ayo Dosumno, because we need hard working role players who understand their role and can contribute right away.

I'm hoping for guys like:

Jeremiah Robinson
Marcus Bagley
Isaiah Jackson
Greg Brown
Herbert Jones

obviously Danny won't choose this path. He's likely going to make a huge mistake and sign Fournier if he can and run it back with this same group minus guys we'll lose like Semi and Kornet. And I suppose this is a moot point since we're stuck with Kemba anyway. But if I had my way, this is how we'd proceed. Find a home for Kemba, Smart and the scrubs, don't sign Fournier and get our role players via the draft and FA market. Let our starting five all play 33 mpg, gel, and get long athletic role players who won't lose us the game when they're in for 12 mpg.

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Funny we're talking about Kai Jones. Watching a breakdown on him right now. I'd be super happy with him!

6'10" incredible athlete that can defend 1-5. High motor, tough. Very low volume 3 pt shooter, but he does take the shot. Give him more reps & confidence, could end up being decent on that end.

Feel like he's got Brad Stevens type player written all over him. Gonna be watching some more breakdowns; draft season is always fun

Yeah I'm onboard with Kai Jones -- 6'11" with RWilliams-esque athleticism, some shooting ability, some dribble/drive ability, and really mobile on perimeter D -- even getting a poke steal or two out there!

We play so well with RWilliams in the lineup, yet he's so fragile, that I'd love to get another one of him.
IF we manage to lose two play-in games and end up landing him, it'll have been worth it.
If we don't, and the Hornets draft him, hopefully we won't be cursing our luck this time next year.
Hornets don't need more athleticism, they should switch to drafting undersized nice guys, it works!

Watch on YouTube

[GoGreen]

Funny we're talking about Kai Jones. Watching a breakdown on him right now. I'd be super happy with him!

6'10" incredible athlete that can defend 1-5. High motor, tough. Very low volume 3 pt shooter, but he does take the shot. Give him more reps & confidence, could end up being decent on that end.

Feel like he's got Brad Stevens type player written all over him. Gonna be watching some more breakdowns; draft season is always fun

Yeah I'm onboard with Kai Jones -- 6'11" with RWilliams-esque athleticism, some shooting ability, some dribble/drive ability, and really mobile on perimeter D -- even getting a poke steal or two out there!

We play so well with RWilliams in the lineup, yet he's so fragile, that I'd love to get another one of him.
IF we manage to lose two play-in games and end up landing him, it'll have been worth it.
If we don't, and the Hornets draft him, hopefully we won't be cursing our luck this time next year.
Hornets don't need more athleticism, they should switch to drafting undersized nice guys, it works!

Watch on YouTube

Take a look at Isaiah Jackson if youre interested in a taller Rob clone. Think you'll love him.

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Funny we're talking about Kai Jones. Watching a breakdown on him right now. I'd be super happy with him!

6'10" incredible athlete that can defend 1-5. High motor, tough. Very low volume 3 pt shooter, but he does take the shot. Give him more reps & confidence, could end up being decent on that end.

Feel like he's got Brad Stevens type player written all over him. Gonna be watching some more breakdowns; draft season is always fun

Yeah I'm onboard with Kai Jones -- 6'11" with RWilliams-esque athleticism, some shooting ability, some dribble/drive ability, and really mobile on perimeter D -- even getting a poke steal or two out there!

We play so well with RWilliams in the lineup, yet he's so fragile, that I'd love to get another one of him.
IF we manage to lose two play-in games and end up landing him, it'll have been worth it.
If we don't, and the Hornets draft him, hopefully we won't be cursing our luck this time next year.
Hornets don't need more athleticism, they should switch to drafting undersized nice guys, it works!

Watch on YouTube

Take a look at Isaiah Jackson if youre interested in a taller Rob clone. Think you'll love him.

Before I do that, please tell me how tall he is.
Then I will do my 5-10 minutes of draft expert research.

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Spoiler:

Yeah I'm onboard with Kai Jones -- 6'11" with RWilliams-esque athleticism, some shooting ability, some dribble/drive ability, and really mobile on perimeter D -- even getting a poke steal or two out there!

We play so well with RWilliams in the lineup, yet he's so fragile, that I'd love to get another one of him.
IF we manage to lose two play-in games and end up landing him, it'll have been worth it.
If we don't, and the Hornets draft him, hopefully we won't be cursing our luck this time next year.
Hornets don't need more athleticism, they should switch to drafting undersized nice guys, it works!

Watch on YouTube

Take a look at Isaiah Jackson if youre interested in a taller Rob clone. Think you'll love him.

Before I do that, please tell me how tall he is.
Then I will do my 5-10 minutes of draft expert research.

6'10" with a 7'2" wingspan. Damn, too tall for Danny to draft!
I like Jackson at first glance; 4.5 blocks per game at the college level is nuts.
Doesn't offer the shooting that Kai Jones seems to, though Jackson seems to have good form, just not good results yet.
Looks like Mitchell Robinson 2.0, which I would like! But Danny will draft a wing or combo guard, I know this:)

Watch on YouTube

[CelticFaninLBC]

Funny we're talking about Kai Jones. Watching a breakdown on him right now. I'd be super happy with him!

6'10" incredible athlete that can defend 1-5. High motor, tough. Very low volume 3 pt shooter, but he does take the shot. Give him more reps & confidence, could end up being decent on that end.

Feel like he's got Brad Stevens type player written all over him. Gonna be watching some more breakdowns; draft season is always fun

Yeah I'm onboard with Kai Jones -- 6'11" with RWilliams-esque athleticism, some shooting ability, some dribble/drive ability, and really mobile on perimeter D -- even getting a poke steal or two out there!

We play so well with RWilliams in the lineup, yet he's so fragile, that I'd love to get another one of him.
IF we manage to lose two play-in games and end up landing him, it'll have been worth it.
If we don't, and the Hornets draft him, hopefully we won't be cursing our luck this time next year.
Hornets don't need more athleticism, they should switch to drafting undersized nice guys, it works!

Watch on YouTube

Yeah, they need to draft another big. Smart, PP, Langford, Nesmith, Fournier, Brown, Tatum and R. Williams should be in the 3-4 year plan so the team is short on bigs, especially with Williams being so fragile.... Kai Jones is pretty raw and hasn't played organized basketball, but has good upside.. They'll have to rely on Tristan Thompson for another year.

[GoGreen]

Spoiler:

Take a look at Isaiah Jackson if youre interested in a taller Rob clone. Think you'll love him.

Before I do that, please tell me how tall he is.
Then I will do my 5-10 minutes of draft expert research.

6'10" with a 7'2" wingspan. Damn, too tall for Danny to draft!
I like Jackson at first glance; 4.5 blocks per game at the college level is nuts.
Doesn't offer the shooting that Kai Jones seems to, though Jackson seems to have good form, just not good results yet.
Looks like Mitchell Robinson 2.0, which I would like! But Danny will draft a wing or combo guard, I know this:)

Watch on YouTube

I have a bad feeling you're right about Danny.

And yes, Kai is def the better player imo but I'm thinking he might be gone when the Cs pick.

[playa-hater]

So is it official Boston will have the 16th pick?

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So is it official Boston will have the 16th pick?

It's obvious we are getting Josh...I'm Giddey with excitement.

[playa-hater]

So is it official Boston will have the 16th pick?

It's obvious we are getting Josh...I'm Giddey with excitement.

you know your boy aint slippin to 16.. ya gonna get blue balled

[djFan71]

So is it official Boston will have the 16th pick?

WAS or IND will be 15. But, if SAS makes the playoffs, couldn't we drop to 17?