CJ TRADE IDEAS

[Matt800]

I’d even add a 1st.

I don't think anything with Siakam is a great idea, and it's even harder to like when adding more outgoing value in Nurkic. The main reason being that Siakam is injured and expected back 1-2 months after the season starts. Lillard wants to have help, and intentionally starting a season down a key guy is basically the opposite.

Siakam would be the type of player to flourish next to Dame though, as far as players available for CJ he is easily at the top of my list.

People keep talking bout Tobias Harris or something and I think that is a lateral move for CJ that doesn't make us better or worse. ****, Siakam might only be gettable right now due to injury concerns, if Siakam was fully healthy he would likely be outside of the CJ+pick price.

He would be a good fit, but I don't think it is realistic from both sides. Why would Toronto want CJ? And why would Portland want a guy who cant play for 1-2 months to start the season? Portland needs a good season and that really wouldn't help. But hey if Toronto wants to do it and Lillard wants to do it then it sounds good. If Lillard thinks Siakam can make them contenders in a year or two he might be up for it.

[Myth]

I don't think anything with Siakam is a great idea, and it's even harder to like when adding more outgoing value in Nurkic. The main reason being that Siakam is injured and expected back 1-2 months after the season starts. Lillard wants to have help, and intentionally starting a season down a key guy is basically the opposite.

Siakam would be the type of player to flourish next to Dame though, as far as players available for CJ he is easily at the top of my list.

People keep talking bout Tobias Harris or something and I think that is a lateral move for CJ that doesn't make us better or worse. ****, Siakam might only be gettable right now due to injury concerns, if Siakam was fully healthy he would likely be outside of the CJ+pick price.

He would be a good fit, but I don't think it is realistic from both sides. Why would Toronto want CJ? And why would Portland want a guy who cant play for 1-2 months to start the season? Portland needs a good season and that really wouldn't help. But hey if Toronto wants to do it and Lillard wants to do it then it sounds good. If Lillard thinks Siakam can make them contenders in a year or two he might be up for it.

Being out 1-2 months wouldn’t stop me from adding a near perfect fit.

[PDXKnight]

Siakam would be the type of player to flourish next to Dame though, as far as players available for CJ he is easily at the top of my list.

People keep talking bout Tobias Harris or something and I think that is a lateral move for CJ that doesn't make us better or worse. ****, Siakam might only be gettable right now due to injury concerns, if Siakam was fully healthy he would likely be outside of the CJ+pick price.

He would be a good fit, but I don't think it is realistic from both sides. Why would Toronto want CJ? And why would Portland want a guy who cant play for 1-2 months to start the season? Portland needs a good season and that really wouldn't help. But hey if Toronto wants to do it and Lillard wants to do it then it sounds good. If Lillard thinks Siakam can make them contenders in a year or two he might be up for it.

Being out 1-2 months wouldn’t stop me from adding a near perfect fit.

Exactly and we are on the verge of losing lillard so i think this is the kind of move that we need in order to show dame we are serious about winning.

[BlazersBroncos]

He would be a good fit, but I don't think it is realistic from both sides. Why would Toronto want CJ? And why would Portland want a guy who cant play for 1-2 months to start the season? Portland needs a good season and that really wouldn't help. But hey if Toronto wants to do it and Lillard wants to do it then it sounds good. If Lillard thinks Siakam can make them contenders in a year or two he might be up for it.

Being out 1-2 months wouldn’t stop me from adding a near perfect fit.

Exactly and we are on the verge of losing lillard so i think this is the kind of move that we need in order to show dame we are serious about winning.

It seems pretty clear that Toronto is rebuilding. They have not made a single win-now signing, they drafted the more-raw Barnes over Suggs, facilitated a Lowry deal. With all this evidence of a rebuild, or retool at the least, why are they interested in CJ again?

I think a 3-way where Simmons ends up in TOR is the only possibility, but I dont think that works either unless they are confident trotting out 2 forwards that cant shoot in Ben and Barnes. Not to mention PHI still is asking for superstar value for Ben.

[sisibilio]

Sixers fan in peace here. If I’m Morey, I do everything to pry Dame away from you guys. IF that doesn’t work, I’m all for acquiring CJ.

Simmons + Hill for McCollum + Covington + 2023 FRP + 2025 FRP

I'd take Simmons for McCollum. Swap Covington for DJJ and no 2025 FRP.

We could play Simmons at forward.

Personally i think i’d do it with both frp’s. Simmons would be considered a top 5 player if he could shoot but nonetheless his skillset is unique and worth ponying up for imo

If he could shoot a bit we wouldn't be talking about this.
Anyway that's the trade. I'd like to keep RoCo if possible and limit to one 1st or heavily protect the 2025 one (a lot of shiet can happen in 4 years) but it wouldn't be a deal breaker.

[sisibilio]

Siakam is a good player but he doesn't make Blazers real contenders even in the best case scenario IMO.

[Myth]

Siakam is a good player but he doesn't make Blazers real contenders even in the best case scenario IMO.

He cuts the gap from where we are to championship in about half IMO. If we get on the verge, hopefully we could make one more big splashy trade and/or lure some better FA vets to put us over the top.

[Blazinaway]

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Looks like Simmons situation gettin worse and worse, keep waitin Morey and watch that value drop!

[BlazersBroncos]

I think moving RoCo w/ CJ for Simmons defeats the purpose of making a move to help our chances in the PO's. You cant trot out Tony Snell or DJJ as a starter if you want to go even as far as the WCF.

It has to be CJ + picks for Simmons. We need to keep our other win now pieces.

[skoharry]

I think this trade helps everyone and is fair for all involved
TOR incoming - Warren, Nurkic, & a 2nd
TOR outgoing - OG & Boucher

ORL incoming - M Turner
ORL outgoing - MCW, Bamba, & a 1st

IND incoming - CJ & Bamba
IND outgoing - Turner, Warren, & a 1st

POR incoming - MCW, OG, Boucher, & two 1st.
POR outgoing - CJ, Nurkic, & a 2nd

IDK it's probably a bad trade, but it seems good

[red_power]

Looks like Simmons situation gettin worse and worse, keep waitin Morey and watch that value drop!

Yeah this dude is done at Philly.
He enjoyed a superstar treatment right from the start of his NBA career and now he's publicly been thrown into multiple trade talks..
I think this is exactly the point of no return.
Simmons won't be back at the 76ers on his own will, and he won't be playing at 100% even if he's forced to return there next season.

[BlazersBroncos]

Report out today says Simmons doesnt want to go to TOR or PDX, wants to end up in CA.

Kid is a loser. Stops talking to his teammates and demands a trade only to CA after his embarrassing playoff run.

[Norm2953]

I do wonder how he would fit with the GSW for he would play the same role as Draymond Green. Could a 3 way be crafted where Dray ends up in Portland, Simmons in GSW and CJ in Philly?

[Blazinaway]

Report out today says Simmons doesnt want to go to TOR or PDX, wants to end up in CA.

Kid is a loser. Stops talking to his teammates and demands a trade only to CA after his embarrassing playoff run.

I believe that came from a local bay area reporter of dubious belief on stuff like this, but Simmons does appears to have his "warts"

[PDXKnight]

Report out today says Simmons doesnt want to go to TOR or PDX, wants to end up in CA.

Kid is a loser. Stops talking to his teammates and demands a trade only to CA after his embarrassing playoff run.

I believe that came from a local bay area reporter of dubious belief on stuff like this, but Simmons does appears to have his "warts"

Who cares what he wants? Yeah we try to keep him happy but honestly i wouldn’t let this stop me from trading for him as he’s locked up for a good amount of time

[Blazinaway]

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[DeBlazerRiddem]

Report out today says Simmons doesnt want to go to TOR or PDX, wants to end up in CA.

Kid is a loser. Stops talking to his teammates and demands a trade only to CA after his embarrassing playoff run.

I believe that came from a local bay area reporter of dubious belief on stuff like this, but Simmons does appears to have his "warts"

Who cares what he wants? Yeah we try to keep him happy but honestly i wouldn’t let this stop me from trading for him as he’s locked up for a good amount of time

Why? He will quit on us too at the drop of a hat. I agree, he doesn't have that tough-it-out mentality that is needed for winning IMO.

[monopoman]

Simmons refusing to play here makes us trading for him almost 0 even in a situation where Lillard demands out and only wants Philly which I think is completely unlikely anyways.

Every Sixer fan on the general board seems to think that Lillard becoming a Sixer is destiny or some ****.

[JasonStern]

I do wonder how he would fit with the GSW for he would play the same role as Draymond Green. Could a 3 way be crafted where Dray ends up in Portland, Simmons in GSW and CJ in Philly?

With Powell retained, that's a sneaky interesting trade proposal.

[BNM]

He would be a good fit, but I don't think it is realistic from both sides. Why would Toronto want CJ? And why would Portland want a guy who cant play for 1-2 months to start the season? Portland needs a good season and that really wouldn't help.

Because Damian Lillard cares much more about the playoffs than the first month, or two, of the regular season. Last year, we saw Dame absolutely carry a team of scrubs on his back for two months while both CJ and Nurk were out. Even with Siakam out, you start the season with a healthy Nurk and Norm. Add RoCo at the 4 and run the 3 by committee with DJJ, Little and Snell until Siakam is healthy. Then start Siakam at the 4 and move RoCo to starting 3.

That would easily be the best pair of starting forwards POR would have had since Aldridge and Batum - and against some match ups, it would be better. Just look at who will be making the playoffs in the West. If you hope to compete. you need big forwards that can defend. Siakam and RoCo would give POR that.

Throughout his career, Dame has shown the ability to carry a weak roster to the playoffs. Even with Siakam missing the first month, or two, this team would be way better than the post Aldridge team and the Hezonja/Tolliver/Bazemore squad. (i.e. way more than good enough to win plenty of regular season games until Siakam is fully health). Plus, sitting out a month or two will mean less wear and tear on Siakam entering the playoffs

And ultimately, it comes down to the playoffs. I don't think winning it all is the only way to placate Dame. I just think he wants to be competitive in the playoffs - at the very least get past the first round and be highly competitive, perhaps even win, the 2nd round. I think losing badly in the 1st round to a very undermanned DEN team was very hard for him to take. He played insanely well in that series (34.3 ppg, 10.2 apg, PER = 30.4, TS% = .660, AST% = 41.3, WS/48 = .286, BPM = +12.2), but didn't have enough talent around him to avoid losing to a injury depleted DEN squad. Anything close to that again, and he's gone (and I wouldn't blame him).

A starting 5 of:

Dame
Norm
RoCo
Siakam
Nurk

Is very balanced and offers a good blend of offense and defense. Plus, POR would no longer be undersized against every other team in the league.

Why would TOR want CJ? I don't think they would. I think there would need to be a third team involved.