Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition)

[SO_MONEY]

I get that it is a crap spot to be in. I also agree that Philly messed up big time here. It's just how I think this will play out, there are deals Morey can take that I think are still solid, like if he could manage to get Beasley and Dlo from us (don't know if we are offering that), that's a decent return IMO for what Philly needs. That could make them a better team today.

I think until he at least gets a deal on that level, that has a chance of making them better quickly, he won't pull the trigger. It is definitely a lot of "What ifs" but I think right now those what ifs are more attractive than making a deal that gets Morey fired after a disappointing season and hurts the Sixers chances at winning a title in the near future.

It will be interesting to see how this ultimately plays out for real.

I think if you hold Simmons, perhaps fine him? I think you are a laughing stock and no team is going to give anything for Simmons. In fact I would see teams refusing to bail out Philly because of their handling of this and not dealing in good faith. Holding Simmons really doesn't have the benefits you think it does. Holding him is par for the course, but it won't work one way or the other.

[Calinks]

I get that it is a crap spot to be in. I also agree that Philly messed up big time here. It's just how I think this will play out, there are deals Morey can take that I think are still solid, like if he could manage to get Beasley and Dlo from us (don't know if we are offering that), that's a decent return IMO for what Philly needs. That could make them a better team today.

I think until he at least gets a deal on that level, that has a chance of making them better quickly, he won't pull the trigger. It is definitely a lot of "What ifs" but I think right now those what ifs are more attractive than making a deal that gets Morey fired after a disappointing season and hurts the Sixers chances at winning a title in the near future.

It will be interesting to see how this ultimately plays out for real.

I think if you hold Simmons, perhaps fine him? I think you are a laughing stock and no team is going to give anything for Simmons. In fact I would see teams refusing to bail out Philly because of their handling of this and not dealing in good faith. Holding Simmons really doesn't have the benefits you think it does. Holding him is par for the course, but it won't work one way or the other.

I don't think teams would pass on a chance to better themselves to make a moral point about Simmons. If someone trades for him it wont be because they are trying to help Philly out, it will be because they believe Simmons makes them better. Everyone can try and low ball but as soon a team really wants him, they will make a real offer and who wants to be the GM that missed out on acquiring Simmons because they felt like teaching the Sixers a lesson?

[SO_MONEY]

I get that it is a crap spot to be in. I also agree that Philly messed up big time here. It's just how I think this will play out, there are deals Morey can take that I think are still solid, like if he could manage to get Beasley and Dlo from us (don't know if we are offering that), that's a decent return IMO for what Philly needs. That could make them a better team today.

I think until he at least gets a deal on that level, that has a chance of making them better quickly, he won't pull the trigger. It is definitely a lot of "What ifs" but I think right now those what ifs are more attractive than making a deal that gets Morey fired after a disappointing season and hurts the Sixers chances at winning a title in the near future.

It will be interesting to see how this ultimately plays out for real.

I think if you hold Simmons, perhaps fine him? I think you are a laughing stock and no team is going to give anything for Simmons. In fact I would see teams refusing to bail out Philly because of their handling of this and not dealing in good faith. Holding Simmons really doesn't have the benefits you think it does. Holding him is par for the course, but it won't work one way or the other.

I don't think teams would pass on a chance to better themselves to make a moral point about Simmons. If someone trades for him it wont be because they are trying to help Philly out, it will be because they believe Simmons makes them better. Everyone can try and low ball but as soon a team really wants him, they will make a real offer and who wants to be the GM that missed out on acquiring Simmons because they felt like teaching the Sixers a lesson?

I in fact think some teams will blackball Philly, I think it has already happened. I think some teams have actively engaged in undermining the 6ers. I think teams have already given their real offers and Philly blew it. Now, they alienated their counterparts and have lost their interest, which was probably limited to begin with. Simmons is a severely depressed asset, he is not worth what you think he is worth or it would be done. The fact he hasn't been moved says everything, that if Philadelphia took the best offer out there it would be an embarrassment. That is why it hasn't happened and Philly is trying to find a way to salvage the situation so it can save face including trying to get him to come back. The problem is there is no way out of this, Simmons value won't increase from here... at best it stays the same, but I don't think it will, I think it goes down some, if only marginally and Philly won't do any better in the future than they will now in a relative sense. And waiting will damage the reputation of the franchise more than it already is, so the outcome isn't going to be net-net...it will result in a net loss.

[karch34]

I think if you hold Simmons, perhaps fine him? I think you are a laughing stock and no team is going to give anything for Simmons. In fact I would see teams refusing to bail out Philly because of their handling of this and not dealing in good faith. Holding Simmons really doesn't have the benefits you think it does. Holding him is par for the course, but it won't work one way or the other.

I don't think teams would pass on a chance to better themselves to make a moral point about Simmons. If someone trades for him it wont be because they are trying to help Philly out, it will be because they believe Simmons makes them better. Everyone can try and low ball but as soon a team really wants him, they will make a real offer and who wants to be the GM that missed out on acquiring Simmons because they felt like teaching the Sixers a lesson?

I in fact think some teams will blackball Philly, I think it has already happened. I think some teams have actively engaged in undermining the 6ers. I think teams have already given their real offers and Philly blew it. Now, they alienated their counterparts and have lost their interest, which was probably limited to begin with. Simmons is a severely depressed asset, he is not worth what you think he is worth or it would be done. The fact he hasn't been moved says everything, that if Philadelphia took the best offer out there it would be an embarrassment. That is why it hasn't happened and Philly is trying to find a way to salvage the situation so it can save face including trying to get him to come back. The problem is there is no way out of this, Simmons value won't increase from here... at best it stays the same, but I don't think it will, I think it goes down some, if only marginally and Philly won't do any better in the future than they will now in a relative sense. And waiting will damage the reputation of the franchise more than it already is, so the outcome isn't going to be net-net...it will result in a net loss.

Agreed. Think our experience with Butler and Houston with Harden show it’s over and can’t be salvaged, right or wrong. Worth more than you get offered, no doubt. Just a lot more teams that understand the reality than there used to be.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

I get that it is a crap spot to be in. I also agree that Philly messed up big time here. It's just how I think this will play out, there are deals Morey can take that I think are still solid, like if he could manage to get Beasley and Dlo from us (don't know if we are offering that), that's a decent return IMO for what Philly needs. That could make them a better team today.

I think until he at least gets a deal on that level, that has a chance of making them better quickly, he won't pull the trigger. It is definitely a lot of "What ifs" but I think right now those what ifs are more attractive than making a deal that gets Morey fired after a disappointing season and hurts the Sixers chances at winning a title in the near future.

It will be interesting to see how this ultimately plays out for real.

I think if you hold Simmons, perhaps fine him? I think you are a laughing stock and no team is going to give anything for Simmons. In fact I would see teams refusing to bail out Philly because of their handling of this and not dealing in good faith. Holding Simmons really doesn't have the benefits you think it does. Holding him is par for the course, but it won't work one way or the other.

I don't think teams would pass on a chance to better themselves to make a moral point about Simmons. If someone trades for him it wont be because they are trying to help Philly out, it will be because they believe Simmons makes them better. Everyone can try and low ball but as soon a team really wants him, they will make a real offer and who wants to be the GM that missed out on acquiring Simmons because they felt like teaching the Sixers a lesson?

But what’s the market? This is such a weird situation given Ben’s skill set and also contract. He’s paid like one of the top players in the league, but if you’re starting a 30 expansion draft, where does he fall?

Rebuilding teams have no use for Ben without giving up youngs potential stars. They won’t do that. Contenders have nothing to offer plus they’re already strapped with Max players contracts. We’d be stupid to give up anything more than Beas, fillers and a pick.


I’m guessing the sixers make it work or that’s one expensive paper weight. I guess they make some of it back with fines every day he doesn’t show up. It’s sad a player who signed a contract can dictate this.

[Calinks]

I think if you hold Simmons, perhaps fine him? I think you are a laughing stock and no team is going to give anything for Simmons. In fact I would see teams refusing to bail out Philly because of their handling of this and not dealing in good faith. Holding Simmons really doesn't have the benefits you think it does. Holding him is par for the course, but it won't work one way or the other.

I don't think teams would pass on a chance to better themselves to make a moral point about Simmons. If someone trades for him it wont be because they are trying to help Philly out, it will be because they believe Simmons makes them better. Everyone can try and low ball but as soon a team really wants him, they will make a real offer and who wants to be the GM that missed out on acquiring Simmons because they felt like teaching the Sixers a lesson?

But what’s the market? This is such a weird situation given Ben’s skill set and also contract. He’s paid like one of the top players in the league, but if you’re starting a 30 expansion draft, where does he fall?

Rebuilding teams have no use for Ben without giving up youngs potential stars. They won’t do that. Contenders have nothing to offer plus they’re already strapped with Max players contracts. We’d be stupid to give up anything more than Beas, fillers and a pick.


I’m guessing the sixers make it work or that’s one expensive paper weight. I guess they make some of it back with fines every day he doesn’t show up. It’s sad a player who signed a contract can dictate this.

I think the market will get better when the season starts. There are teams like us who want to make a jump and that's the kind of team who will probably trade for Simmons. A contender today could become one of those teams if they have a bad start to the season. They could decide what they are doing isn't working and maybe they think Simmons paired with one of their stars will work.

[Dewey]

So … backing up to when the Simmons debacle started, is it Simmons vs McD or Simmons + McD that we’re after? Maybe we need a poll

[KGdaBom]

I don't think teams would pass on a chance to better themselves to make a moral point about Simmons. If someone trades for him it wont be because they are trying to help Philly out, it will be because they believe Simmons makes them better. Everyone can try and low ball but as soon a team really wants him, they will make a real offer and who wants to be the GM that missed out on acquiring Simmons because they felt like teaching the Sixers a lesson?

I in fact think some teams will blackball Philly, I think it has already happened. I think some teams have actively engaged in undermining the 6ers. I think teams have already given their real offers and Philly blew it. Now, they alienated their counterparts and have lost their interest, which was probably limited to begin with. Simmons is a severely depressed asset, he is not worth what you think he is worth or it would be done. The fact he hasn't been moved says everything, that if Philadelphia took the best offer out there it would be an embarrassment. That is why it hasn't happened and Philly is trying to find a way to salvage the situation so it can save face including trying to get him to come back. The problem is there is no way out of this, Simmons value won't increase from here... at best it stays the same, but I don't think it will, I think it goes down some, if only marginally and Philly won't do any better in the future than they will now in a relative sense. And waiting will damage the reputation of the franchise more than it already is, so the outcome isn't going to be net-net...it will result in a net loss.

Agreed. Think our experience with Butler and Houston with Harden show it’s over and can’t be salvaged, right or wrong. Worth more than you get offered, no doubt. Just a lot more teams that understand the reality than there used to be.

I make it a point to not reply to anything I happen to see from SM, but this one is mind blowing. The words actively engaged sound to me like colluding with other teams. If this is true and the NBA can find a whistleblower or a signed agreement the penalties would be out of this world.

[SO_MONEY]

I don't think teams would pass on a chance to better themselves to make a moral point about Simmons. If someone trades for him it wont be because they are trying to help Philly out, it will be because they believe Simmons makes them better. Everyone can try and low ball but as soon a team really wants him, they will make a real offer and who wants to be the GM that missed out on acquiring Simmons because they felt like teaching the Sixers a lesson?

But what’s the market? This is such a weird situation given Ben’s skill set and also contract. He’s paid like one of the top players in the league, but if you’re starting a 30 expansion draft, where does he fall?

Rebuilding teams have no use for Ben without giving up youngs potential stars. They won’t do that. Contenders have nothing to offer plus they’re already strapped with Max players contracts. We’d be stupid to give up anything more than Beas, fillers and a pick.


I’m guessing the sixers make it work or that’s one expensive paper weight. I guess they make some of it back with fines every day he doesn’t show up. It’s sad a player who signed a contract can dictate this.

I think the market will get better when the season starts. There are teams like us who want to make a jump and that's the kind of team who will probably trade for Simmons. A contender today could become one of those teams if they have a bad start to the season. They could decide what they are doing isn't working and maybe they think Simmons paired with one of their stars will work.

I am making the informed guess that teams who would be interested in Simmons at his salary have already made offers and if any new teams were to enter their intrest would follow the trend of lower offers, most specifically contending teams which would be constrained as it is. If you hold Simmons it just gets worse. Got to move on. Have to use managerial courage.

[fattymcgee]

I in fact think some teams will blackball Philly, I think it has already happened. I think some teams have actively engaged in undermining the 6ers. I think teams have already given their real offers and Philly blew it. Now, they alienated their counterparts and have lost their interest, which was probably limited to begin with. Simmons is a severely depressed asset, he is not worth what you think he is worth or it would be done. The fact he hasn't been moved says everything, that if Philadelphia took the best offer out there it would be an embarrassment. That is why it hasn't happened and Philly is trying to find a way to salvage the situation so it can save face including trying to get him to come back. The problem is there is no way out of this, Simmons value won't increase from here... at best it stays the same, but I don't think it will, I think it goes down some, if only marginally and Philly won't do any better in the future than they will now in a relative sense. And waiting will damage the reputation of the franchise more than it already is, so the outcome isn't going to be net-net...it will result in a net loss.

Agreed. Think our experience with Butler and Houston with Harden show it’s over and can’t be salvaged, right or wrong. Worth more than you get offered, no doubt. Just a lot more teams that understand the reality than there used to be.

I make it a point to not reply to anything I happen to see from SM, but this one is mind blowing. The words actively engaged sound to me like colluding with other teams. If this is true and the NBA can find a whistleblower or a signed agreement the penalties would be out of this world.

I shouldn't speak for SO Money, but what I think he is trying to say is that other teams float rumors to the media that hurt the 76er's position. This happens all the time and wouldn't be collusion. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding what he's saying.

[IceManBK1]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10012628-rockets-rumors-eric-gordon-open-to-trade-for-more-favorable-situation.amp.html

Eric Gordon, Daniel Theis, Avery Bradley sign and trade, 2 1st and 1 2nd(Min) to Phil

Beasley, Prince, Okogie, Maxey(Phil) to Hou

Simmons to Min

Dlo/Bolmaro/jmac
Edwards/Beverley
McDaniels/Layman
Simmons/Vanderbilt
Towns/Reid

Best possible outcome. Philly don't get toxic contracts like Wall. We keep McDaniels and get Simmons. Hou gets young players.

[SO_MONEY]

I in fact think some teams will blackball Philly, I think it has already happened. I think some teams have actively engaged in undermining the 6ers. I think teams have already given their real offers and Philly blew it. Now, they alienated their counterparts and have lost their interest, which was probably limited to begin with. Simmons is a severely depressed asset, he is not worth what you think he is worth or it would be done. The fact he hasn't been moved says everything, that if Philadelphia took the best offer out there it would be an embarrassment. That is why it hasn't happened and Philly is trying to find a way to salvage the situation so it can save face including trying to get him to come back. The problem is there is no way out of this, Simmons value won't increase from here... at best it stays the same, but I don't think it will, I think it goes down some, if only marginally and Philly won't do any better in the future than they will now in a relative sense. And waiting will damage the reputation of the franchise more than it already is, so the outcome isn't going to be net-net...it will result in a net loss.

Agreed. Think our experience with Butler and Houston with Harden show it’s over and can’t be salvaged, right or wrong. Worth more than you get offered, no doubt. Just a lot more teams that understand the reality than there used to be.

I make it a point to not reply to anything I happen to see from SM, but this one is mind blowing. The words actively engaged sound to me like colluding with other teams. If this is true and the NBA can find a whistleblower or a signed agreement the penalties would be out of this world.

I don't make it a point to avoid replying directly to anyone's posts and I find this post very odd as it really doesn't represent what I said and makes wild unsubstantiated leaps...to the point I am not entirely sure the point of it? But it is Friday...

[kuclas]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10012628-rockets-rumors-eric-gordon-open-to-trade-for-more-favorable-situation.amp.html

Eric Gordon, Daniel Theis, Avery Bradley sign and trade, 2 1st and 1 2nd(Min) to Phil

Beasley, Prince, Okogie, Maxey(Phil) to Hou

Simmons to Min

Dlo/Bolmaro/jmac
Edwards/Beverley
McDaniels/Layman
Simmons/Vanderbilt
Towns/Reid

Best possible outcome. Philly don't get toxic contracts like Wall. We keep McDaniels and get Simmons. Hou gets young players.

Sorry. How exactly does Eric Gordon/Daniel theis /Bradley help Sixers now? Gordon is over the hill aging quickly. Bradley isn’t any good either. Plus you want Sixers to give up Maxey to Houston? Sixers have no need for Minnesota draft picks especially with Minnesota core players all 25 and under. Meaning those picks will be 20-28 range.

It’s an atrocious trade from Sixers viewpoint.

I always tell fans with these crazy 3 way trades is. Just leave the Sixers out of it. How would Minnesota like Avery Bradley Daniel theis and Eric Gordon for Beasley prince and okogie? You pretty much have your answer there.

Simmons has 4 years left. This isn’t a butler or even Kyrie Irving Cleveland or harden Houston 2 years remaining

[life_saver]

I am so tired of this Ben Simmons saga already

[moonpie]

Read on Twitter

[IceManBK1]

Read on Twitter

?s=20

these look like good casual wears..

[IceManBK1]

Read on Twitter

what does the crown mean?

[Domejandro]

.

what does the crown mean?

Old J. Cole album cover.

[Shaka_Zulu]

I am so tired of this Ben Simmons saga already

Why is it even a saga lol. We arent getting him.

[KGdaBom]

I am so tired of this Ben Simmons saga already

Why is it even a saga lol. We arent getting him.

Vegas odds makers consider us the favorites to get him or 2nd favorites to get him. It may be a little unlikely, but it certainly could happen.