[Charania] Pacers Open To Trading Myles Turner Or Damontas Sabonis

[Raptorfan2012]

not a fan of trading for either player, unless for some reason they're willing to just salary dump them. If we're going to give up assets for a big man, it better be a star. Otherwise, just find bigs from the bargain bin and keep working on developing our own young guys.

Who wins with bargain bin bigs? Examples?

I actually think the opposite. I think the star bigs are cost prohibitive, and the gains aren't worth the max dollars, because they aren't usually closers. Joker and Embiid are the exceptions.

Ibaka and Gasol were a perfect example of having avg 5s that were able to win or nullify the 5 match up most games. Turner is in that tier.


I'm happy to pass on Turner if we had a plan to go after Bamba or draft a big, but that doesn't seem completely within our control.

The "plan" is to wait until the target C becomes available for cheap. That's what it was to get Serge, but even then we had to trade a lottery pick (T-Ross, NBD) and a late first. It was the worse of our two picks in the 20s in 2017, allowing us to draft OG with the better one. Of course the Magic muffed their selection, but it could have been Kuzma.

My sense is that the eventual trade is going to be for Mo Bamba. But if Turner's price drops, it will be him. And yes, a draft pick and prospect (probably Flynn) is going the other way, along with salary ballast.

If Masai wanted Mo Bamba, he could have scooped him up last season when he was nailed to the bench. Mo's value is much higher now since he is getting playing time.

[Lateral Quicks]

It comes down to whether you think Turner could be part of a championship-calibre team as the starting C. If he can, and the price is right, then we should acquire him. He's only 25, and I wouldn't have a problem extending him at the value of a good starting C. If you can acquire him for Dragic, a prospect or two in the Flynn tier plus a non-lottery first, that's a no-brainer IMO.

[Tor_Raps]

Unless the Pacers are cool with Trent jr and Precious for Turner, I don't see a trade happening. We're not really in a win now mode so we don't have to force a trade that doesn't favour us.

I would do that trade. Try OG at the 2 and have him space the floor more than post up like he has been doing. Believe it or not Turner only takes 1.8 fewer threes per 36 (and only makes 0.5 fewer per 36).

I would feel differently if GTJ was signed for longer, but the reality is we might lose him after next season anyway to a big offer sheet.

Fred - OG - Barnes - Siakam - Turner would be an absolute great starting lineup for us going forward. With the way Barnes shot has emerged already, I have 0 worries about our spacing, especially if we can get a 5 who can shoot too.

If Barnes becomes as good as we feel he's going to be, we can enter championship contention by Barnes' 3rd year. I understand that's an aggressive statement but I see a superstar with a great supporting cast there.

Also, Trent would be an unrestricted free agent so we wouldn't even have a chance to match next offseason.

[KL78192020]

It comes down to whether you think Turner could be part of a championship-calibre team as the starting C. If he can, and the price is right, then we should acquire him. He's only 25, and I wouldn't have a problem extending him at the value of a good starting C. If you can acquire him for Dragic, a prospect or two in the Flynn tier plus a non-lottery first, that's a no-brainer IMO.

There really aren't many options at C that could be had realistically in the next couple of years. Jokic/Embiid/Gobert/Bam/KAT/ and Ayton are at the top, don't see any of those guys being available. Turner is the next best option, Christian wood could also be an option of Houston wants to rebuild.

[KrazyP]

Turner's shooting could help space the floor on offense and his shot blocking could help bring the defense together. I wouldnt give up any core pieces for him but if he can be had for cap fodder + prospect, it wouldnt be a terrible gamble to take.

Dragic + Precious + Flynn for Turner? It depends on how high we value Precious.

[Badonkadonk]

For people who say don't trade young assets for Turner because we are not in a win-no move, Turner is only 25 years old; he still has some room to grow and fits in well with our timeline.

Conversely, Turner is 25 but the Pacers have been rumoured to be interested in trading him for a couple of seasons now. Part of that may have been injuries, but I also think he has some flaws in his defensive awareness and feel for the game that has limited him to a less than 30mpg player in his career.

The risk with a guy like that is he ends up getting paid disproportionately to his on-court value. I think the Raps far prefer a defensively strong 5 who can switch, make good reads, not demand usage (especially on the perimeter) etc.

[KrazyP]

For people who say don't trade young assets for Turner because we are not in a win-no move, Turner is only 25 years old; he still has some room to grow and fits in well with our timeline.

Conversely, Turner is 25 but the Pacers have been rumoured to be interested in trading him for a couple of seasons now. Part of that may have been injuries, but I also think he has some flaws in his defensive awareness and feel for the game that has limited him to a less than 30mpg player in his career.

The risk with a guy like that is he ends up getting paid disproportionately to his on-court value. I think the Raps far prefer a defensively strong 5 who can switch, make good reads, not demand usage (especially on the perimeter) etc.

I dont watch enough Pacer games....was he limited in his role due to low IQ or was it just because he is bad fit next to Sabonis?

[TorontoBaller]

Turner blocks shots but his overall defensive impact isn't that great. He's going into the last year of his contract next year and he's already making close to 20 a year.

Sabonis is a tweener who isn't good defensively. He plays a spot on the floor the Raps already have covered.

Lavert is a huge injury risk.

All of these guys would be short term solutions and the Raps are after long term solutions.

This is good analysis, Oak.
Lavert would be good.
But we have OG.

Who would we trade anyway?

[Badonkadonk]

For people who say don't trade young assets for Turner because we are not in a win-no move, Turner is only 25 years old; he still has some room to grow and fits in well with our timeline.

Conversely, Turner is 25 but the Pacers have been rumoured to be interested in trading him for a couple of seasons now. Part of that may have been injuries, but I also think he has some flaws in his defensive awareness and feel for the game that has limited him to a less than 30mpg player in his career.

The risk with a guy like that is he ends up getting paid disproportionately to his on-court value. I think the Raps far prefer a defensively strong 5 who can switch, make good reads, not demand usage (especially on the perimeter) etc.

I dont watch enough Pacer games....was he limited in his role due to low IQ or was it just because he is bad fit next to Sabonis?

Let me qualify this by saying I've only watched him 10 or so times the past couple of years (Raps games + League Pass). I don't think fit with Sabonis is an issue. He seems to excel in drop coverage and weak side defense. That's the double-edged sword I've observed, he aggressively hunts blocks, and he's obviously elite at swats and deflections near the rim, but I've seen him get exposed on rotations. He's also not one of those unicorns that can avoid getting bodied by the really big 5s in the league (very few are), but at the same time not agile enough to contain athletic wings.

In Nurse's system, the 5 that can stunt or bump to help delay or weaken a pass angle is very valuable, and fast guys who can read plays are gold (one of the reasons they wanted Mobley so bad - the perfect anchor in this scheme). Nurse loves those chain-reaction defensive stands where 3 or 4 challenges/rotations eventually leads to a breakdown or a shot-clock violation. He doesn't need the flashy block (which may or may not result in possession).

I hear and have read that Carlisle has him playing more aware defensively this year, so maybe he's developing. I haven't watched enough to know.

Offensively I think the Raps would have a challenge. Turner clearly expects to get paid like a guy who's also putting up numbers and I think that'll cause issues for their roster construction. It seems to me they are happy to pay the ~$20M that will buy them elite defense (eg. Jarret Allen), but not the max or near-max for a 5 that would also command usage. If they can find the spiritual successor to Marc, that would be amazing - affordable, a quarterback on both ends of the court and mistake-free.

[PhilBlackson]

I wonder how much of Nate's (the coach these guys hated) intel does our management factor into their decision to seriously consider doing a trade like apparently much of this board seems to dream of (well I don't)...

[Reeko]

I wonder how much of Nate's (the coach these guys hated) intel does our management factor into their decision to seriously consider doing a trade like apparently much of this board seems to dream of (well I don't)...

Just finished reading this article by BR: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2942713-inside-the-turbulent-tenure-of-indiana-pacers-coach-nate-bjorkgren. Apparently Nate was an assistant in Phoenix and coached TJ Warren there. When TJ heard the news that Nate was going to be the new head coach in Indiana he apparently asked to be traded from the Pacers. The whole article is damning, and it surprises me that our FO would hire him back if half of this stuff is true.

Anyway, none of those Pacers players interest me in the slightest.

[Psubs]

I wonder how much of Nate's (the coach these guys hated) intel does our management factor into their decision to seriously consider doing a trade like apparently much of this board seems to dream of (well I don't)...

Nate came back from the Black Ops mission.

[Appostis]

We would be so fortunate if Indiana took Siakam in exchange for Turner

[God Squad]

Easy pass. But I can talk myself into Turner for the right price though.

[HoopAndTheHarm]

If Indiana is in full rebuild mode and looking to shed contracts, the offer should be Dragic (expiring) and 1 or 2 second rounders for either Turner or Sabonis, whomever mgmt feels is the better fit.
Yes that sounds stupid but really there's no incentive for Raps to trade anything better when taking on 1 or 2 more years of $18+mil/yr.
I personally don't think either one moves the needle significantly, so giving up any reasonably valuable assets makes no sense to me.

[SharoneWright]

3 team deal centering around Siakam

TOR Out - Siakam
TOR In - Turner , Kuminga

GSW In - Siakam
GSW Out - Kuminga, Moody , Wiseman, 2022 1st

Ind In - GSW 2022 1st , Moody , Wiseman
Ind Out - Turner

Just spitballing an idea to give out. Seems like we don't really have much to offer for Turner if IND is looking for a rebuild, as I'm sure we want to hold on to our first this year

You're absolutely insane if you think Golden State would part with that much for Siakam.

If you're not insane you're suffering a stroke and should get to the nearest hospital ASAP.

Certifiable. Lol.

But if that was on the table lol we would be keeping it all! Why would we give it all away to Indy?

[TdotRap4Lyfe]

Precious and Dragic for Turner works for me. Doubt they'd want it though

[nestea]

It will be very interesting if the raps make a trade and who they bring in

Dont think enough ball to go around now Fred O G Pascal Trent and Barnes Gooduck Bobbie.

[Mattatron]

If I'm masai I would look what do it get for Kevin love, what kind of assets, I don't like seeing a raps team with Turner in the lineup, it's just so little playmaking and spacing. We're in rebuild mode, we could definitely eat that love contract for 2 years as a great mentor, playmaking big, good rebounder and shooter. But I don't see the cavs being interested in Dragic or Siakam. Their front court is stacked.

[Elmago]

I wonder how much of Nate's (the coach these guys hated) intel does our management factor into their decision to seriously consider doing a trade like apparently much of this board seems to dream of (well I don't)...

Just finished reading this article by BR: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2942713-inside-the-turbulent-tenure-of-indiana-pacers-coach-nate-bjorkgren. Apparently Nate was an assistant in Phoenix and coached TJ Warren there. When TJ heard the news that Nate was going to be the new head coach in Indiana he apparently asked to be traded from the Pacers. The whole article is damning, and it surprises me that our FO would hire him back if half of this stuff is true.

Anyway, none of those Pacers players interest me in the slightest.

I'm sure the FO did their homework. The IndyStar already refuted the TJ thing with their own sources, so it wouldn't be surprising if there were other things in the article exaggerated/untrue.