Return of the Yak: The Everything Jakob Poeltl Thread

[WaltFrazier]

Playing heavy minutes with an aggressive style of defense with no real C is physically exhausting on the players.

The move for Poeltl should have been made before the season even began. I think Masai was slow to move because he was holding out for something bigger that never materialized.

Possible.

Or he was waiting for San Antonio’s asking price to come down. Rumour was they wanted Trent and/or 2 firsts. Ended up being lightly protected first and a second to move Birch dead weight.

The tradeoff for the hgher price would have been we'd have him all season and be in a playoff spot now, 5-6 at least.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Playing heavy minutes with an aggressive style of defense with no real C is physically exhausting on the players.

The move for Poeltl should have been made before the season even began. I think Masai was slow to move because he was holding out for something bigger that never materialized.

Possible.

Or he was waiting for San Antonio’s asking price to come down. Rumour was they wanted Trent and/or 2 firsts. Ended up being lightly protected first and a second to move Birch dead weight.

The tradeoff for the hgher price would have been we'd have him all season and be in a playoff spot now, 5-6 at least.

Lower seeds just don't advance often, so if it's all the same the lower acquisition price is the better call. Last year's team was in that range without Poeltl. They weren't expecting this regression and they didn't make a panic trade. So far so good.

[tecumseh18]

Possible.

Or he was waiting for San Antonio’s asking price to come down. Rumour was they wanted Trent and/or 2 firsts. Ended up being lightly protected first and a second to move Birch dead weight.

The tradeoff for the hgher price would have been we'd have him all season and be in a playoff spot now, 5-6 at least.

Lower seeds just don't advance often, so if it's all the same the lower acquisition price is the better call. Last year's team was in that range without Poeltl. They weren't expecting this regression and they didn't make a panic trade. So far so good.

And I think management really liked Koloko - who turns 23 in June - and wanted to see what they had in him first.

Actually, it turns out he's a pretty good player, but Nurse simply refuses to let younger guys (except Scottie) play through their mistakes. So ... fire Nurse, or bring in Poeltl.

[ConSarnit]

Possible.

Or he was waiting for San Antonio’s asking price to come down. Rumour was they wanted Trent and/or 2 firsts. Ended up being lightly protected first and a second to move Birch dead weight.

The tradeoff for the hgher price would have been we'd have him all season and be in a playoff spot now, 5-6 at least.

Lower seeds just don't advance often, so if it's all the same the lower acquisition price is the better call. Last year's team was in that range without Poeltl. They weren't expecting this regression and they didn't make a panic trade. So far so good.

We don't even really know if we paid the "lower" price. Top 6 protected pick could be worth far more than 2 late firsts if something goes wrong for us next year. If we hand over the 9th pick next year to the Spurs they'll probably feel like they got their initial asking price. Sure it's a calculated gamble by the Spurs but it's not crazy to think we could be right around the play-in again next year. I think we'll be better but we're no top 4 seed lock next year.

[ATLTimekeeper]

We don't even really know if we paid the "lower" price. Top 6 protected pick could be worth far more than 2 late firsts if something goes wrong for us next year. If we hand over the 9th pick next year to the Spurs they'll probably feel like they got their initial asking price. Sure it's a calculated gamble by the Spurs but it's not crazy to think we could be right around the play-in again next year. I think we'll be better but we're no top 4 seed lock next year.

True, but we wouldn't know that if we paid 2 future 1sts before the season, right? Rumours were that the Spurs were asking 2 unprotected 1sts. They could have traded both 1sts to start the year and then Poeltl gets hurt or something. Bad things happen, but I'm guessing they think Poeltl is worth #7 in a worst-case scenario.

[WaltFrazier]

The tradeoff for the hgher price would have been we'd have him all season and be in a playoff spot now, 5-6 at least.

Lower seeds just don't advance often, so if it's all the same the lower acquisition price is the better call. Last year's team was in that range without Poeltl. They weren't expecting this regression and they didn't make a panic trade. So far so good.

And I think management really liked Koloko - who turns 23 in June - and wanted to see what they had in him first.

Actually, it turns out he's a pretty good player, but Nurse simply refuses to let younger guys (except Scottie) play through their mistakes. So ... fire Nurse, or bring in Poeltl.

If Nick had played Koloko all season he wouldn't have been close to the impact of having Poeltl all season. In fact Nick played Koloko pretty good minutes in the early season, gave him a chance. There's a reason that didn't continue even well before we acquired Jak.

[OakleyDokely]

Since Yak's moved into the starting lineup:

Record: 14-8 (52 win pace)
NET Rating: +4.2 (9th)
DEF Rating: 112.1 (5th)
OFF Rating: 116.3 (14th)
Poeltl Net Rating: +9.8

[Shakril]

Since Yak's moved into the starting lineup:

Record: 14-8 (52 win pace)
NET Rating: +4.2 (9th)
DEF Rating: 112.1 (5th)
OFF Rating: 116.3 (14th)
Poeltl Net Rating: +9.8

But but he cant shoot.........*sarcasm*

[OakleyDokely]

The Poeltl+OG combo is the key defensively moving forward. Having one of the best perimeter, man defenders in the league in OG combined with a rim protector like Poeltl should make the Raps a top 5 defense, minimum top 10 defense for a long time.

[Shakril]

Poeltl turned this team around. Even the chemistry seems to be much better.

[Duffman100]

Since Yak's moved into the starting lineup:

Record: 14-8 (52 win pace)
NET Rating: +4.2 (9th)
DEF Rating: 112.1 (5th)
OFF Rating: 116.3 (14th)
Poeltl Net Rating: +9.8

Just one of the pieces of the building puzzle. Ideally we add some shot creation / shooting / bench depth somehow next season.

[Steelo Green]

Is Jak a good player? Yes

Does adding him change the trajectory of this team from a first round exit? No

That's why trading a first for him with so much uncertainty as to the future made little sense. Cements the 7-11 squad just hoping and praying Scottie turns into a top 15 player.

[billy_hoyle]

Since Yak's moved into the starting lineup:

Record: 14-8 (52 win pace)
NET Rating: +4.2 (9th)
DEF Rating: 112.1 (5th)
OFF Rating: 116.3 (14th)
Poeltl Net Rating: +9.8

Just one of the pieces of the building puzzle. Ideally we add some shot creation / shooting / bench depth somehow next season.

Just resign our free agents. Hopefully get OPJ healthy. Use our MLE on a rotation guard (DDV). Pick the BPA at our pick.

Improvements from Barnes, Precious, Koloko and even GTJ and OG are expected.

I find it so funny how a disappointing 2 months of the season completely changes some people's outlook on our future. We should be building. A little luck and the right opportunity allows a mid 40's team to jump to legit contenders. Masai and Bobby have shown this ability before. I don't get why people question their strategy, it's been proven.

[OakleyDokely]

Since Yak's moved into the starting lineup:

Record: 14-8 (52 win pace)
NET Rating: +4.2 (9th)
DEF Rating: 112.1 (5th)
OFF Rating: 116.3 (14th)
Poeltl Net Rating: +9.8

Just one of the pieces of the building puzzle. Ideally we add some shot creation / shooting / bench depth somehow next season.

Just resign our free agents. Hopefully get OPJ healthy. Use our MLE on a rotation guard (DDV). Pick the BPA at our pick.

Improvements from Barnes, Precious, Koloko and even GTJ and OG are expected.

I find it so funny how a disappointing 2 months of the season completely changes some people's outlook on our future. We should be building. A little luck and the right opportunity allows a mid 40's team to jump to legit contenders. Masai and Bobby have shown this ability before. I don't get why people question their strategy, it's been proven.

It always makes sense to add good players, especially good young players (Poeltl is only 27) who can be part of a long term core.

[WaltFrazier]

As a fan of old school ball, I love seeing Jak's interior passing. He's thrown OG a few nice lobs recently off a set play leading to dunks. Last night he made a sweet bounce pass to OG underneath for a dunk, in close quarters. His hands and vision are very good. Also great at catching passes in tight spots and quickly getting the ball up for a layup. Had a few of those from Pascal recently. He just adds an element of interior play that we never had before.

[YogurtProducer]

Is Jak a good player? Yes

Does adding him change the trajectory of this team from a first round exit? No

That's why trading a first for him with so much uncertainty as to the future made little sense. Cements the 7-11 squad just hoping and praying Scottie turns into a top 15 player.

Not every threads needs to turn into this

But does adding a young kid who may or may not end up any good change the trajectory of this team? Maybe, but he also maybe never even becomes starting material.

One move (outside of getting a superstar) does not change any teams trajectory. But small moves that add together over the course of years can greatly change where a team is or is going. Poeltl is a move that in addition to future moves may (or may not) lead to us being greater than first round fodder.

[LoveMyRaps]

His floaters and lobs to OG are a work of art.

So pretty to watch.

[OakleyDokely]

Is Jak a good player? Yes

Does adding him change the trajectory of this team from a first round exit? No

That's why trading a first for him with so much uncertainty as to the future made little sense. Cements the 7-11 squad just hoping and praying Scottie turns into a top 15 player.

Not every threads needs to turn into this

But does adding a young kid who may or may not end up any good change the trajectory of this team? Maybe, but he also maybe never even becomes starting material.

One move (outside of getting a superstar) does not change any teams trajectory. But small moves that add together over the course of years can greatly change where a team is or is going. Poeltl is a move that in addition to future moves may (or may not) lead to us being greater than first round fodder.

As you said, short of adding a superstar, most individual moves won't result in a major change in trajectory for any organization. If organizations operated this way, teams would just give away their 2nd rounders, they'd give away their non elite 1st rounders, they wouldn't use their MLE, they wouldn't make trades involving non stars. Why make these moves if they don't result in a major move up the standings? The goal should be to add enough talent that maybe you can luck into developing a star or you accumulate enough assets to acquire one.

The Raps are betting that Poeltl will be a more valuable asset than a random top 6 protected 1st next year, and that's probably a good bet.

[Son Goku 25]

Yak is so good man, love that guy he just comes to play and is great. Just wish he could develop consistency in his Ft and improve on that although his touch around the basket and overall IQ just make up for his lack of shooting.

[djsunyc]

yak + pascal + og + scottie + fred
15 games, 282 mins (18.8 mins/game), +60, 120.8 ortg, 110.2 drtg, +10.6 net