The Brock Purdy Thread

[CrimsonCrew]

The whole argument was about SB winning QB's and their elite traits. They all have at least 1 elite trait. Purdy has none.

Well neither does Lance so at least the player that can go through progressions and can read a defense is starting.

Lance is huge, athletic, and has a canon arm. He can't read a defense yet because he's still raw due to only playing 1 season of college ball and 5 quarters of regular season NFL ball.

And yet, Purdy is better at eluding tacklers, escaping the pocket, and making plays on the move. And he's better at completing passes downfield.

I hate to feel like I'm piling on Lance, because I'm not. He seems like a genuinely good guy, and I think he does have talent and promise. But he can't sniff Purdy's jock strap right now when it comes to leading an NFL offense.

[Big J]

Are you just figuring out every organization runs a different system? Just because Purdy isn't in that type of system that gives him free reign doesn't mean he doesn't have the smarts as a top level QB

I never said he didn't have smarts. I'm saying that he's not in Mannings galaxy when it comes to orchestrating an offense.

Manning wasn't in Manning's galaxy in year 2.

You jump through hoops to point out elite traits in other players (Foles was tall?), while ignoring or minimizing the fact that Purdy has shown truly special processing and recognition for a second-year player. Again, maybe he can't hit the very peaks of NFL greatness. But saying he has no special qualities is absurd. He has played REMARKABLY for a guy in his situation, regardless of the coaching staff and supporting cast.

Yes, Purdy has gone one a great run of regular season games. However, it just seems like he hit a hot streak at the beginning of his career rather than later in his career like a lot of qbs. He is benefitting from a stacked roster and the best offensive coach in the league. We've seen journeymen qb's go on similar winning streaks in the middle of their careers, Case Keenum, Jimmy, ect.? There is a much greater chance that he becomes just another good but not great qb who wins a lot of regular season games but has trouble beating great QBs & defenses in the playoffs. If the goal is to win SB's, I think that fans need to be realistic about who he is rather than just looking at the teams record.

[Big J]

Well neither does Lance so at least the player that can go through progressions and can read a defense is starting.

Lance is huge, athletic, and has a canon arm. He can't read a defense yet because he's still raw due to only playing 1 season of college ball and 5 quarters of regular season NFL ball.

And yet, Purdy is better at eluding tacklers, escaping the pocket, and making plays on the move. And he's better at completing passes downfield.

I hate to feel like I'm piling on Lance, because I'm not. He seems like a genuinely good guy, and I think he does have talent and promise. But he can't sniff Purdy's jock strap right now when it comes to leading an NFL offense.

I agree that Purdy is better than Lance is right now, but my argument has always been more about Purdy's ceiling, which is much lower than Lances.

[CrimsonCrew]

I never said he didn't have smarts. I'm saying that he's not in Mannings galaxy when it comes to orchestrating an offense.

Manning wasn't in Manning's galaxy in year 2.

You jump through hoops to point out elite traits in other players (Foles was tall?), while ignoring or minimizing the fact that Purdy has shown truly special processing and recognition for a second-year player. Again, maybe he can't hit the very peaks of NFL greatness. But saying he has no special qualities is absurd. He has played REMARKABLY for a guy in his situation, regardless of the coaching staff and supporting cast.

Yes, Purdy has gone one a great run of regular season games. However, it just seems like he hit a hot streak at the beginning of his career rather than later in his career like a lot of qbs. He is benefitting from a stacked roster and the best offensive coach in the league. We've seen journeymen qb's go on similar winning streaks in the middle of their careers, Case Keenum, Jimmy, ect.? There is a much greater chance that he becomes just another good but not great qb who wins a lot of regular season games but has trouble beating great QBs & defenses in the playoffs. If the goal is to win SB's, I think that fans need to be realistic about who he is rather than just looking at the teams record.

Maybe it is just a fluke. Again, the other advantage to Purdy over Lance is that we cannot extend him after this season. So we've got two years to see if it's just a flash in the pan. So far, it has felt pretty repeatable.

[CrimsonCrew]

Lance is huge, athletic, and has a canon arm. He can't read a defense yet because he's still raw due to only playing 1 season of college ball and 5 quarters of regular season NFL ball.

And yet, Purdy is better at eluding tacklers, escaping the pocket, and making plays on the move. And he's better at completing passes downfield.

I hate to feel like I'm piling on Lance, because I'm not. He seems like a genuinely good guy, and I think he does have talent and promise. But he can't sniff Purdy's jock strap right now when it comes to leading an NFL offense.

I agree that Purdy is better than Lance is right now, but my argument has always been more about Purdy's ceiling, which is much lower than Lances.

I don't know that it's much lower. And he's much more likely to hit it. Lance has so many questions that he hasn't come close to answering to date.

[Pattersonca65]

Lance is huge, athletic, and has a canon arm. He can't read a defense yet because he's still raw due to only playing 1 season of college ball and 5 quarters of regular season NFL ball.

And yet, Purdy is better at eluding tacklers, escaping the pocket, and making plays on the move. And he's better at completing passes downfield.

I hate to feel like I'm piling on Lance, because I'm not. He seems like a genuinely good guy, and I think he does have talent and promise. But he can't sniff Purdy's jock strap right now when it comes to leading an NFL offense.

I agree that Purdy is better than Lance is right now, but my argument has always been more about Purdy's ceiling, which is much lower than Lances.

Lance does not have a much higher ceiling. The NFL does not agree with you.

[Pattersonca65]

Lance is huge, athletic, and has a canon arm. He can't read a defense yet because he's still raw due to only playing 1 season of college ball and 5 quarters of regular season NFL ball.

And yet, Purdy is better at eluding tacklers, escaping the pocket, and making plays on the move. And he's better at completing passes downfield.

I hate to feel like I'm piling on Lance, because I'm not. He seems like a genuinely good guy, and I think he does have talent and promise. But he can't sniff Purdy's jock strap right now when it comes to leading an NFL offense.

I agree that Purdy is better than Lance is right now, but my argument has always been more about Purdy's ceiling, which is much lower than Lances.

Lance does not have a much higher ceiling. The NFL does not agree with you.

[Big J]

And yet, Purdy is better at eluding tacklers, escaping the pocket, and making plays on the move. And he's better at completing passes downfield.

I hate to feel like I'm piling on Lance, because I'm not. He seems like a genuinely good guy, and I think he does have talent and promise. But he can't sniff Purdy's jock strap right now when it comes to leading an NFL offense.

I agree that Purdy is better than Lance is right now, but my argument has always been more about Purdy's ceiling, which is much lower than Lances.

Lance does not have a much higher ceiling. The NFL does not agree with you.

Lance is far from a finished product. The NFL also agreed that Purdy was worth taking last overall.

[Pattersonca65]

I agree that Purdy is better than Lance is right now, but my argument has always been more about Purdy's ceiling, which is much lower than Lances.

Lance does not have a much higher ceiling. The NFL does not agree with you.

Lance is far from a finished product. The NFL also agreed that Purdy was worth taking last overall.

Numerous scouts had said if there was a redraft Purdy would have gone in the 3nd round. No teams want to give higher than a 4th round pick for Lance and the only team that did the owner did not consult with the coaching staff

[Big J]

Lance does not have a much higher ceiling. The NFL does not agree with you.

Lance is far from a finished product. The NFL also agreed that Purdy was worth taking last overall.

Numerous scouts had said if there was a redraft Purdy would have gone in the 3nd round. No teams want to give higher than a 4th round pick for Lance and the only team that did the owner did not consult with the coaching staff

Okay, so Purdy goes in 3rd round in a hypothetical redraft. That is actually different that what is trade value would be right before the start of the season when most qb rooms are already set. I wouldn’t be surprised if Purdy had a lower trade value than that due to just looking good because he’s in Kyles system. He probably wouldn’t be a starter for most other teams.

[Pattersonca65]

Lance is far from a finished product. The NFL also agreed that Purdy was worth taking last overall.

Numerous scouts had said if there was a redraft Purdy would have gone in the 3nd round. No teams want to give higher than a 4th round pick for Lance and the only team that did the owner did not consult with the coaching staff

Okay, so Purdy goes in 3rd round in a hypothetical redraft. That is actually different that what is trade value would be right before the start of the season when most qb rooms are already set. I wouldn’t be surprised if Purdy had a lower trade value than that due to just looking good because he’s in Kyles system. He probably wouldn’t be a starter for most other teams.

2nd not third and of course you would not be surprised if he went lower. Would not start on most teams and most qb rooms are filled this time of year is irrelevant. The fact that other teams won't event give up a third fI r Lance shows what teams think of his " potential ". Not much

[Big J]

Numerous scouts had said if there was a redraft Purdy would have gone in the 3nd round. No teams want to give higher than a 4th round pick for Lance and the only team that did the owner did not consult with the coaching staff

Okay, so Purdy goes in 3rd round in a hypothetical redraft. That is actually different that what is trade value would be right before the start of the season when most qb rooms are already set. I wouldn’t be surprised if Purdy had a lower trade value than that due to just looking good because he’s in Kyles system. He probably wouldn’t be a starter for most other teams.

2nd not third and of course you would not be surprised if he went lower. Would not start on most teams and most qb rooms are filled this time of year is irrelevant. The fact that other teams won't event give up a third fI r Lance shows what teams think of his " potential ". Not much

You literally said 3rd round pick in your post. Go back and read what you wrote bro.

[Pattersonca65]

Okay, so Purdy goes in 3rd round in a hypothetical redraft. That is actually different that what is trade value would be right before the start of the season when most qb rooms are already set. I wouldn’t be surprised if Purdy had a lower trade value than that due to just looking good because he’s in Kyles system. He probably wouldn’t be a starter for most other teams.

It was a 2nd. Lance can't even fetch that. A long fall

2nd not third and of course you would not be surprised if he went lower. Would not start on most teams and most qb rooms are filled this time of year is irrelevant. The fact that other teams won't event give up a third fI r Lance shows what teams think of his " potential ". Not much

You literally said 3rd round pick in your post. Go back and read what you wrote bro.

It is a second.

[Big J]

It was a 2nd. Lance can't even fetch that. A long fall

2nd not third and of course you would not be surprised if he went lower. Would not start on most teams and most qb rooms are filled this time of year is irrelevant. The fact that other teams won't event give up a third fI r Lance shows what teams think of his " potential ". Not much

You literally said 3rd round pick in your post. Go back and read what you wrote bro.

It is a second.

Then why did you say 3rd?

[CrimsonCrew]

I agree that Purdy is better than Lance is right now, but my argument has always been more about Purdy's ceiling, which is much lower than Lances.

Lance does not have a much higher ceiling. The NFL does not agree with you.

Lance is far from a finished product. The NFL also agreed that Purdy was worth taking last overall.

And that Tom Brady was worth taking 199th. And that Kurt Warner wasn't worth drafting at all. And that countless busts were worth taking in the first ten picks.

[Big J]

Lance does not have a much higher ceiling. The NFL does not agree with you.

Lance is far from a finished product. The NFL also agreed that Purdy was worth taking last overall.

And that Tom Brady was worth taking 199th. And that Kurt Warner wasn't worth drafting at all. And that countless busts were worth taking in the first ten picks.

Sooo, then maybe the NFL is also wrong about Lances trade value.

[CharityStripe34]

I never said he didn't have smarts. I'm saying that he's not in Mannings galaxy when it comes to orchestrating an offense.

Manning wasn't in Manning's galaxy in year 2.

You jump through hoops to point out elite traits in other players (Foles was tall?), while ignoring or minimizing the fact that Purdy has shown truly special processing and recognition for a second-year player. Again, maybe he can't hit the very peaks of NFL greatness. But saying he has no special qualities is absurd. He has played REMARKABLY for a guy in his situation, regardless of the coaching staff and supporting cast.

Yes, Purdy has gone one a great run of regular season games. However, it just seems like he hit a hot streak at the beginning of his career rather than later in his career like a lot of qbs. He is benefitting from a stacked roster and the best offensive coach in the league. We've seen journeymen qb's go on similar winning streaks in the middle of their careers, Case Keenum, Jimmy, ect.? There is a much greater chance that he becomes just another good but not great qb who wins a lot of regular season games but has trouble beating great QBs & defenses in the playoffs. If the goal is to win SB's, I think that fans need to be realistic about who he is rather than just looking at the teams record.

Based on this if Purdy is good and/or very good in the playoffs (but not Tier-1 elite), and the team is stacked there most definitely is potential for them to win the SB. I suppose it's possible Purdy could hit a wall or totally suck in a Divisional or Championship game, but he was pretty good against Dallas' elite D (made the plays he needed to). As far as evolving into Tier-1 elite QB that can elevate a mediocre offensive roster, I have absolutely no idea and would guess it's a 50/50 shot.

IMO his pocket-presence and ability to read a defense and adjust are considerably stronger than Jimmy G's. In the SB against KC, some of those 20-30 yard wide-ass open passes that Jimmy missed or had batted down (especially the one to Kittle), Purdy would've hit and kept the offense churning to either score or get into FG range to keep that lead. I obviously can't prove that since it's all in hindsight, but I don't think Purdy is merely a little better than Jimmy. Ceiling remains to be seen.

[Pattersonca65]

Lance is far from a finished product. The NFL also agreed that Purdy was worth taking last overall.

And that Tom Brady was worth taking 199th. And that Kurt Warner wasn't worth drafting at all. And that countless busts were worth taking in the first ten picks.

Sooo, then maybe the NFL is also wrong about Lances trade value.

The NFL has watched Lance play at the NFL level

[CrimsonCrew]

Lance is far from a finished product. The NFL also agreed that Purdy was worth taking last overall.

And that Tom Brady was worth taking 199th. And that Kurt Warner wasn't worth drafting at all. And that countless busts were worth taking in the first ten picks.

Sooo, then maybe the NFL is also wrong about Lances trade value.

Could be. He's in his third year in the league, though.

[CrimsonCrew]

Watch on YouTube

JTO on Purdy. Very complimentary of how he does the little stuff. Great base, great vision and anticipation, great playing under pressure. Not perfect. Especially some of the deeper misses. But overall very impressive for a guy with ewer than 10 starts.