2024 Managerial Candidates - Pat Murphy gets the nod

[Turk Nowitzki]

I've heard only good things about Carlos Villanueva. I wouldn't be opposed to just giving him the gig. **** it.

Probably not out of the question.

[MickeyDavis]

I don't really care which cheap guy they pick as next manager. My interest in baseball and the Brewers has gone down every year for awhile.

[neiLz]

8 mil is a lot for a baseball manager...... but if you offer 5.5, what is literally 2.5 more mil for the best in the game? this team will continue to fall short. they are young and talented but burnes is gone, miley gone, woodruff hurt. its now peralta plus unprovens. The offense is still going to suck and I am not sure they will pay for any free agents outside of bargains...

How will Mark A respond to all this negative PR? Prolly by trading a bunch of young guys for a year rental of some 1B who can hit 40 bombs then leave after a year.

If you think all of those injury/departures argue in the favor of the team sucking in the near future, you think overpaying a manager is going to fix that?

not at all. its just a trend i see. if you're going to preach building a team through the farm, then when those players hit their potential, you let them leave in favor of spending. And even when they have a bunch of guys coming up in free agency (braun, fielder, etc) he chooses one, then preaches how they can't have a payroll over x amount because theyre always in the red (he's doing it now with yelich and not signing anyone else). im all for building through the farm and maximizing prospects, but im sick of being on the verge then after 4 years a reset and fukery until those young guys get good and theyr gone. rinse repeat.

or we get a half assed semi rebuild and trade prospects for a 32 year old end of prime player that does well for a year or two then leaves via free agency.

[MVP2110]

If Counsell had been leaving for purely more money I'd have hated him for it but understood why. But he spent years talking about how he was "one of us" and then had his agent leak all these stories over the last month about how he was taking the biggest deal to help out all managers. He was just a giant hypocrite on both points and it's just sad.

[soboMP3]

Wow... as a fan, knowing the Brewers (at the bottom of leauge finances) offered to make CC the highest paid manager in baseball, and he turned it down to go to... the Cubs... I will boo the F out of that guy for the rest of my life. What a **** traitor. F CC. Take your 1-9 post-season record down to Wrigley.

[Kerb Hohl]

8 mil is a lot for a baseball manager...... but if you offer 5.5, what is literally 2.5 more mil for the best in the game? this team will continue to fall short. they are young and talented but burnes is gone, miley gone, woodruff hurt. its now peralta plus unprovens. The offense is still going to suck and I am not sure they will pay for any free agents outside of bargains...

How will Mark A respond to all this negative PR? Prolly by trading a bunch of young guys for a year rental of some 1B who can hit 40 bombs then leave after a year.

If you think all of those injury/departures argue in the favor of the team sucking in the near future, you think overpaying a manager is going to fix that?

not at all. its just a trend i see. if you're going to preach building a team through the farm, then when those players hit their potential, you let them leave in favor of spending. And even when they have a bunch of guys coming up in free agency (braun, fielder, etc) he chooses one, then preaches how they can't have a payroll over x amount because theyre always in the red (he's doing it now with yelich and not signing anyone else). im all for building through the farm and maximizing prospects, but im sick of being on the verge then after 4 years a reset and fukery until those young guys get good and theyr gone. rinse repeat.

or we get a half assed semi rebuild and trade prospects for a 32 year old end of prime player that does well for a year or two then leaves via free agency.

Look, it we are being rational and assuming the Brewers are going to almost always have the ~20th biggest payroll in the league...they are executing things flawlessly.

The dirty little secret in baseball is unless you can take on the risk like the Yankees or Dodgers, signing guys into their 30s is monumentally stupid. And you should trade them away for the next set of cheap, controllable players.

Remember how cheap Mark was for not bringing back Moustakas or Grandal on the heels of competitive teams? Have you checked in on those guys? Hell, I know Yelich had a renaissance - but he is an albatross deal.

Everyone's laying into the A's - and for somewhat good reason since it's an insane level of cheap. They're gonna be really good in a year or two! Better than a bunch of noble mid-market teams like the White Sox that are blowing their wad on guys that end up sucking really fast.

[neiLz]

jesse winker was paid 8.25 mil last year. he salary came off the books this year. CC would have filled his salary slot.

[ReasonablySober]

jesse winker was paid 8.25 mil last year. he salary came off the books this year. CC would have filled his salary slot.

Adrian Houser made $3.6 million. Tellez made $4.9 million. Mark Canha made $10.5 million.

Paying an additional $2.5 million to have stability and a known high quality manager was an easy drop in the bucket.

[Kerb Hohl]

jesse winker was paid 8.25 mil last year. he salary came off the books this year. CC would have filled his salary slot.

Adrian Houser made $3.6 million. Tellez made $4.9 million. Mark Canha made $10.5 million.

Paying an additional $2.5 million to have stability and a known high quality manager was an easy drop in the bucket.

I would pay all of those guys that money before I'd pay a **** manager.

Just counting here: After all of the "drop in the bucket(s)" what is our running total? $1-2 million just out of sheer goodwill for the absolute hell of it to be nice to Corbin Burnes, the drop-in-the-bucket to Counsell, etc. what are we at? Would that offset a starting 3B for next year?

[neiLz]

If you think all of those injury/departures argue in the favor of the team sucking in the near future, you think overpaying a manager is going to fix that?

not at all. its just a trend i see. if you're going to preach building a team through the farm, then when those players hit their potential, you let them leave in favor of spending. And even when they have a bunch of guys coming up in free agency (braun, fielder, etc) he chooses one, then preaches how they can't have a payroll over x amount because theyre always in the red (he's doing it now with yelich and not signing anyone else). im all for building through the farm and maximizing prospects, but im sick of being on the verge then after 4 years a reset and fukery until those young guys get good and theyr gone. rinse repeat.

or we get a half assed semi rebuild and trade prospects for a 32 year old end of prime player that does well for a year or two then leaves via free agency.

Look, it we are being rational and assuming the Brewers are going to almost always have the ~20th biggest payroll in the league...they are executing things flawlessly.

The dirty little secret in baseball is unless you can take on the risk like the Yankees or Dodgers, signing guys into their 30s is monumentally stupid. And you should trade them away for the next set of cheap, controllable players.

Remember how cheap Mark was for not bringing back Moustakas or Grandal on the heels of competitive teams? Have you checked in on those guys? Hell, I know Yelich had a renaissance - but he is an albatross deal.

Everyone's laying into the A's - and for somewhat good reason since it's an insane level of cheap. They're gonna be really good in a year or two! Better than a bunch of noble mid-market teams like the White Sox that are blowing their wad on guys that end up sucking really fast.

what you're saying is basically the brewers have to be perfect on all levels to win it all. there is no margin of error. as WI sports fans we are kind of sick of being the small market team. (at least with the bucks, they spend and go over the cap.) The salary cap in baseball is the issue, but i am just sick of watching the brewers every year do the same ****.

We are now expecting this team to find another manager to replace our manager that was considered the best in baseball by a lot of people. We let our GM go because we can't pay anyone, and we expect arnold to just pick up where he left off...

The pitching staff needs to be replaced, they need a 1b, 3b, possibly a 2nd baseman that can hit, maybe a SS if they trade adames, and then rely on 3-4 rookie OF and Yelich.

The margin of error is so slim. it is so frustrating as a fan. every year it's the same story with the brewers. for once, can they take a risk and splurge. If it fails then I'll never complain about free agency again.

[Kerb Hohl]

not at all. its just a trend i see. if you're going to preach building a team through the farm, then when those players hit their potential, you let them leave in favor of spending. And even when they have a bunch of guys coming up in free agency (braun, fielder, etc) he chooses one, then preaches how they can't have a payroll over x amount because theyre always in the red (he's doing it now with yelich and not signing anyone else). im all for building through the farm and maximizing prospects, but im sick of being on the verge then after 4 years a reset and fukery until those young guys get good and theyr gone. rinse repeat.

or we get a half assed semi rebuild and trade prospects for a 32 year old end of prime player that does well for a year or two then leaves via free agency.

Look, it we are being rational and assuming the Brewers are going to almost always have the ~20th biggest payroll in the league...they are executing things flawlessly.

The dirty little secret in baseball is unless you can take on the risk like the Yankees or Dodgers, signing guys into their 30s is monumentally stupid. And you should trade them away for the next set of cheap, controllable players.

Remember how cheap Mark was for not bringing back Moustakas or Grandal on the heels of competitive teams? Have you checked in on those guys? Hell, I know Yelich had a renaissance - but he is an albatross deal.

Everyone's laying into the A's - and for somewhat good reason since it's an insane level of cheap. They're gonna be really good in a year or two! Better than a bunch of noble mid-market teams like the White Sox that are blowing their wad on guys that end up sucking really fast.

what you're saying is basically the brewers have to be perfect on all levels to win it all. there is no margin of error. as WI sports fans we are kind of sick of being the small market team. (at least with the bucks, they spend and go over the cap.) The salary cap in baseball is the issue, but i am just sick of watching the brewers every year do the same ****.

We are now expecting this team to find another manager to replace our manager that was considered the best in baseball by a lot of people. We let our GM go because we can't pay anyone, and we expect arnold to just pick up where he left off...

The pitching staff needs to be replaced, they need a 1b, 3b, possibly a 2nd baseman that can hit, maybe a SS if they trade adames, and then rely on 3-4 rookie OF and Yelich.

The margin of error is so slim. it is so frustrating as a fan. every year it's the same story with the brewers. for once, can they take a risk and splurge. If it fails then I'll never complain about free agency again.

Yes, I remember when the "took a risk and splurged" on CC Sabathia or Zack Greinke. Since this guarantees a championship, I had a lot of fun at the World Series parade.

Sports suck. There's only one winner and the scales are tipped in baseball. The Brewers are doing really well. Everyone that wants them to blow money on an overpriced free agent or all-in on a trade will completely forget they asked and not buy tickets if the team sucks 2-3 years from now because of it.

[ReasonablySober]

jesse winker was paid 8.25 mil last year. he salary came off the books this year. CC would have filled his salary slot.

Adrian Houser made $3.6 million. Tellez made $4.9 million. Mark Canha made $10.5 million.

Paying an additional $2.5 million to have stability and a known high quality manager was an easy drop in the bucket.

I would pay all of those guys that money before I'd pay a **** manager.

Just counting here: After all of the "drop in the bucket(s)" what is our running total? $1-2 million just out of sheer goodwill for the absolute hell of it to be nice to Corbin Burnes, the drop-in-the-bucket to Counsell, etc. what are we at? Would that offset a starting 3B for next year?

We already know that Canha's gone and replaced by a guy making maybe $75k in the minors. Tellez won't be tendered. I have no idea what the Brewers are going to do with Houser or Lauer, but both those guys could be replaced by system arms making $750k.

You must really feel a manager is completely worthless if you'd rather give Rowdy **** Tellez $6 million to be a below average 1B.

[Kerb Hohl]

Adrian Houser made $3.6 million. Tellez made $4.9 million. Mark Canha made $10.5 million.

Paying an additional $2.5 million to have stability and a known high quality manager was an easy drop in the bucket.

I would pay all of those guys that money before I'd pay a **** manager.

Just counting here: After all of the "drop in the bucket(s)" what is our running total? $1-2 million just out of sheer goodwill for the absolute hell of it to be nice to Corbin Burnes, the drop-in-the-bucket to Counsell, etc. what are we at? Would that offset a starting 3B for next year?

We already know that Canha's gone and replaced by a guy making maybe $75k in the minors. Tellez won't be tendered. I have no idea what the Brewers are going to do with Houser or Lauer, but both those guys could be replaced by system arms making $750k.

You must really feel a manager is completely worthless if you'd rather give Rowdy **** Tellez $6 million to be a below average 1B.

I wouldn't actually pay those players but I'd use the money on other options that could be good players. Going into the season, yes, I'd have paid Jesse Winker $8 million for the chance that he returned to superstar form. It's a more worthwhile risk than paying a manager.

[ReasonablySober]

I would pay all of those guys that money before I'd pay a **** manager.

Just counting here: After all of the "drop in the bucket(s)" what is our running total? $1-2 million just out of sheer goodwill for the absolute hell of it to be nice to Corbin Burnes, the drop-in-the-bucket to Counsell, etc. what are we at? Would that offset a starting 3B for next year?

We already know that Canha's gone and replaced by a guy making maybe $75k in the minors. Tellez won't be tendered. I have no idea what the Brewers are going to do with Houser or Lauer, but both those guys could be replaced by system arms making $750k.

You must really feel a manager is completely worthless if you'd rather give Rowdy **** Tellez $6 million to be a below average 1B.

I wouldn't actually pay those players but I'd use the money on other options that could be good players. Going into the season, yes, I'd have paid Jesse Winker $8 million for the chance that he returned to superstar form. It's a more worthwhile risk than paying a manager.

The point is the Brewers could have done both. $2.5 million doesn't mean ****.

Contrary to what you might believe, there are good and bad managers, and the Brewers had one of the good ones. Now they're in unknown territory for a completely needless reason.

[Kerb Hohl]

We already know that Canha's gone and replaced by a guy making maybe $75k in the minors. Tellez won't be tendered. I have no idea what the Brewers are going to do with Houser or Lauer, but both those guys could be replaced by system arms making $750k.

You must really feel a manager is completely worthless if you'd rather give Rowdy **** Tellez $6 million to be a below average 1B.

I wouldn't actually pay those players but I'd use the money on other options that could be good players. Going into the season, yes, I'd have paid Jesse Winker $8 million for the chance that he returned to superstar form. It's a more worthwhile risk than paying a manager.

The point is the Brewers could have done both. $2.5 million doesn't mean ****.

Contrary to what you might believe, there are good and bad managers, and the Brewers had one of the good ones. Now they're in unknown territory for a completely needless reason.

For whatever it's worth, it's not $2.5 million. It's $12.5 over the life of the deal.

But all of this adds up I'm sure to a team ballin' on a budget. Last year we were supposed to just give $2 million to Corbin Burnes for no apparent reason. Eventually, if we are to believe there is a budget, the "drops in the bucket" suddenly add up to 5-10% of the payroll.

[Ron Swanson]

I mean, did they confirm whether or not the Brewers even had time to counter-offer? By all accounts that I've seen it seemed like the $8 mil came out of nowhere and he all but accepted it immediately thinking that there was no way Attanasio would pony up more. Is that an assumption or was it the reality?

[rayallenscalves]

Don't blame him for leaving, but hate him for choosing the Cubs.

[MVP2110]

I mean, did they confirm whether or not the Brewers even had time to counter-offer? By all accounts that I've seen it seemed like the $8 mil came out of nowhere and he all but accepted it immediately thinking that there was no way Attanasio would pony up more. Is that an assumption or was it the reality?

Yea reports have come out saying the Brewers had no contact with him this weekend and also reportedly they hadn't been contacted by Counsell or his agent as of this morning so it sure seems like they didn't get that chance to match unless it was very last minute

[MickeyDavis]

I don't trust The Brewers/Mark. For all we know the $5.5 million "offer" was thrown out there after they already knew he was going to leave so they could save face. Maybe it was legit, who knows . I'm sorry but I don't buy the "well we offered to make him the highest paid manager, nothing more we could do" argument. Yes there was. And extra $2.5 million is peanuts even for a poor team like ours. Maybe he would have left anyway, even if we matched the Cubs. Maybe he never gave us the chance to match.

I don't think we'll ever really know. We will get lots of spin and misinformation from all over the place.

[MVP2110]

I don't trust The Brewers/Mark. For all we know the $5.5 million "offer" was thrown out there after they already knew he was going to leave so they could save face. Maybe it was legit, who knows . I'm sorry but I don't buy the "well we offered to make him the highest paid manager, nothing more we could do" argument. Yes there was. And extra $2.5 million is peanuts even for a poor team like ours. Maybe he would have left anyway, even if we matched the Cubs. Maybe he never gave us the chance to match.

I don't think we'll ever really know. We will get lots of spin and misinformation from all over the place.

I think two things are true here. The Brewers did offer Counsell a contract that would make him the highest paid manager in MLB, but they also weren't the high bidder. I don't think cheap is the right term for what the Brewers offered but I don't think they are blameless either.