Safe to say, Chet "Hologram" Holgrem > Paolo Banchero

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Re: Safe to say, Chet "Hologram" Holgrem > Paolo Banchero 

Post#201 » by zero rings » Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:35 pm

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WillyJakkz wrote:Damn I guess us Magic fans missed the opportunity to bump this post when Paolo hit the game winner vs CHI while OKC fans took advantage of Chet hitting the clutch game tying 3.

Said it during the draft and will say it again. I thought it was between Jabari and Chet and I wanted us to get Chet. Badly.

But once we picked Paolo and I saw that guy play vs NBA comp that dude is physical and is a beast, love him and glad we got him.

Having a Chet Franz lanky SF PF duo would've been nice but we still would've been searching for a 1A which Paolo is. You can give him the ball anywhere on the court and say go get a basket and he can. Chet currently is better served as a finisher than consistent creator which I believe what Franz is as well so it would've been offensively redundant as that means we'd be relying on Fultz mainly on offense and I completely hate that idea.

So in summary Paolo Chet and Jabari (who is really really good, too) are all in the right places for them to succeed.


I fail to see how being a number one scoring option matters if you stink in the role.

Kyle Kuzma is the number one option for the Wizards. We taking him over Chet too?


Great comparison. Wizards are 2-10 and at the bottom of the East while Orlando is 7-5 despite a bunch of injuries to key contributors. Also glad we’re comparing Paolo to a guy who has been in the league for years. We won’t know his ceiling until the end of his third season which is when most players make their biggest leap.


Paolo is similar to Kuz in that he's an inefficient volume scorer (53% TS) who makes his team considerably worse with him on the floor (-18.3 pts/100).

He wasn't even that good in college. Only reason the Magic took him was because they bought into the "Chet too skinny" meme and chickened out. Chet was clearly the best player in the draft.
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Re: Safe to say, Chet "Hologram" Holgrem > Paolo Banchero 

Post#202 » by sfernald » Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:36 pm

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RookieStar wrote:It really boils down to this.

10 seconds left on the clock in the 4th. Scored is tied. You have the ball. OKC is lucky they have a guy like SGA already who the coach, fans, players, your grandams dog knows you just throw the ball at the halfcourt line with the instructions " make something happen and bring us the win "

You sure as heck don't do that with Chet. However, you can do that with Paolo as evidenced by our game 2-3 days ago???

So different players that gives different advantages. We got what we needed.


True, except when they are down three against a championship caliber team and there are less than two seconds left in the game and you need a Durant type three point dagger.


Sure, any NBA player can do a catch and shoot with a second left. Good to great ones can make it at an even higher percentage.


Sure, any nba player lol. Show me one where Banchero makes a three to tie or win a game with less than 2 seconds on the clock.
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Re: Safe to say, Chet "Hologram" Holgrem > Paolo Banchero 

Post#203 » by Blazing_royale » Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:42 pm

Chet definitely better than Paolo. Both are great talent but Chet is above Paolo
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Re: Safe to say, Chet "Hologram" Holgrem > Paolo Banchero 

Post#204 » by RookieStar » Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:48 pm

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True, except when they are down three against a championship caliber team and there are less than two seconds left in the game and you need a Durant type three point dagger.


Sure, any NBA player can do a catch and shoot with a second left. Good to great ones can make it at an even higher percentage.


Sure, any nba player lol. Show me one where Banchero makes a three to tie or win a game with less than 2 seconds on the clock.


Good thing the game winners that Paolo had, we didn't need a 3 then. Also, we had more time on the clock for more options than a catch and shoot.
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Re: Safe to say, Chet "Hologram" Holgrem > Paolo Banchero 

Post#205 » by bbms » Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:54 pm

i would have picked chet first overall in that draft class and nothing has happenned to make me change my mind

paolo would be my second pick, but i understand orlando pick since he seems to be the highest ceiling scorer of the bunch

people who rated jabari smith as a first should really reconsider some basketball views.
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Re: Safe to say, Chet "Hologram" Holgrem > Paolo Banchero 

Post#206 » by srhcan » Sun Nov 19, 2023 11:39 pm

Chet >> Paolo
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Re: Safe to say, Chet "Hologram" Holgrem > Paolo Banchero 

Post#207 » by sfernald » Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:12 am

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Sure, any NBA player can do a catch and shoot with a second left. Good to great ones can make it at an even higher percentage.


Sure, any nba player lol. Show me one where Banchero makes a three to tie or win a game with less than 2 seconds on the clock.


Good thing the game winners that Paolo had, we didn't need a 3 then. Also, we had more time on the clock for more options than a catch and shoot.


Okay so let me know when he does that, or makes even close to the defensive impact Chet does in any game.
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Re: Safe to say, Chet "Hologram" Holgrem > Paolo Banchero 

Post#208 » by RookieStar » Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:29 am

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Sure, any nba player lol. Show me one where Banchero makes a three to tie or win a game with less than 2 seconds on the clock.


Good thing the game winners that Paolo had, we didn't need a 3 then. Also, we had more time on the clock for more options than a catch and shoot.


Okay so let me know when he does that, or makes even close to the defensive impact Chet does in any game.


Sure.. we can compare notes when you can give Chet the ball at the halfcourt and ask him to score or create the offense
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Re: Safe to say, Chet "Hologram" Holgrem > Paolo Banchero 

Post#209 » by FrightCoward » Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:34 am

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Sure, any nba player lol. Show me one where Banchero makes a three to tie or win a game with less than 2 seconds on the clock.


Good thing the game winners that Paolo had, we didn't need a 3 then. Also, we had more time on the clock for more options than a catch and shoot.


Okay so let me know when he does that, or makes even close to the defensive impact Chet does in any game.


Paolo’s team has the #1 defense in the league. Lol.
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Post#210 » by FrightCoward » Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:44 am

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I fail to see how being a number one scoring option matters if you stink in the role.

Kyle Kuzma is the number one option for the Wizards. We taking him over Chet too?


Great comparison. Wizards are 2-10 and at the bottom of the East while Orlando is 7-5 despite a bunch of injuries to key contributors. Also glad we’re comparing Paolo to a guy who has been in the league for years. We won’t know his ceiling until the end of his third season which is when most players make their biggest leap.


Paolo is similar to Kuz in that he's an inefficient volume scorer (53% TS) who makes his team considerably worse with him on the floor (-18.3 pts/100).

He wasn't even that good in college. Only reason the Magic took him was because they bought into the "Chet too skinny" meme and chickened out. Chet was clearly the best player in the draft.


So much wrong with this post, but since we like crappy, flawed stats like the Magic being better with him off the floor versus on and everyone likes to overreact to one game sample sizes, Paolo was +28 tonight against a good Pacers team that they led by 40 points on the road. Pacers had no answer for him, could have threatened 40 but didn’t even play the 4th.
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Re: Safe to say, Chet "Hologram" Holgrem > Paolo Banchero 

Post#211 » by sfernald » Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:26 am

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Good thing the game winners that Paolo had, we didn't need a 3 then. Also, we had more time on the clock for more options than a catch and shoot.


Okay so let me know when he does that, or makes even close to the defensive impact Chet does in any game.


Paolo’s team has the #1 defense in the league. Lol.


Where are you getting that?

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/defense
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Post#212 » by thelead » Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:28 am

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Okay so let me know when he does that, or makes even close to the defensive impact Chet does in any game.


Paolo’s team has the #1 defense in the league. Lol.


Where are you getting that?

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/defense

lol… use your own link and simply sort by Defensive Rating
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Post#213 » by basketballRob » Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:29 am

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Okay so let me know when he does that, or makes even close to the defensive impact Chet does in any game.


Paolo’s team has the #1 defense in the league. Lol.


Where are you getting that?

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/defense
When you open the link, you simply select defensive-rating, and it will give you the top teams.

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Re: Safe to say, Chet "Hologram" Holgrem > Paolo Banchero 

Post#214 » by Chokic » Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:30 am

Paolo is the better player right now atm. Chet has the higher ceiling but he also has high bust potential.
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Re: Safe to say, Chet "Hologram" Holgrem > Paolo Banchero 

Post#215 » by FrightCoward » Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:31 am

sfernald wrote:
FrightCoward wrote:
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Okay so let me know when he does that, or makes even close to the defensive impact Chet does in any game.


Paolo’s team has the #1 defense in the league. Lol.


Where are you getting that?

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/defense


It was mentioned a few times elsewhere, maybe there was an advanced defensive metric that supported that or it was based on adjusted pace. Either way, they’ve still been an elite defensive team. Paolo’s defense gets way too much flack when he’s actually above average on that side of the ball. Classic case of people just reading the college scouting report instead of watching games.
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Post#216 » by basketballRob » Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:32 am

FrightCoward wrote:
sfernald wrote:
FrightCoward wrote:
Paolo’s team has the #1 defense in the league. Lol.


Where are you getting that?

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/defense


It was mentioned a few times elsewhere, maybe there was an advanced defensive metric that supported that or it was based on adjusted pace. Either way, they’ve still been an elite defensive team. Paolo’s defense gets way too much flack when he’s actually above average on that side of the ball. Classic case of people just reading the college scouting report instead of watching games.
They are rated #1 by the metrics everyone uses.

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Post#217 » by FrightCoward » Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:39 am

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FrightCoward wrote:
sfernald wrote:
Where are you getting that?

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/defense


It was mentioned a few times elsewhere, maybe there was an advanced defensive metric that supported that or it was based on adjusted pace. Either way, they’ve still been an elite defensive team. Paolo’s defense gets way too much flack when he’s actually above average on that side of the ball. Classic case of people just reading the college scouting report instead of watching games.
They are rated #1 by the metrics everyone uses.

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Thanks. I figured multitudes of people weren’t wrong. Lol.
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Re: Safe to say, Chet "Hologram" Holgrem > Paolo Banchero 

Post#218 » by Viper1500 » Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:26 am

I like Chet, and I wanted him before we selected Paolo. Now that we have Paolo, he is clearly what our team needs. Also, Chet has a huge advantage, playing with a superstar in Shai.
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Post#219 » by ShootersShoot » Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:43 am

Chokic wrote:Paolo is the better player right now atm. Chet has the higher ceiling but he also has high bust potential.


He is averaging 17 points on 67.7 TS%, 2.2 blocks, not turnover prone..yea I know its early and its reasonable to have reservations, but imo it should be pretty clear watching okc games he isnt going to be a bust if healthy. Injuries could be a factor. Skinny, tall bigs always scare me in that department.

What exactly about his game that youve seen so far that make you think huge bust potential?
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Post#220 » by fateis007 » Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:46 am

Chet got knocked.out an entire season fron taking a bump from lebron.

Is he skilled ? Yes. But not enough to warrant me picking him over a guy with lebron type frame that is made for bruising in the paint. One of them was top 10 the league in drawing contact, the other was at his house all year playing 2k. This day and age, always go with the guy with no prior major surgeries.

Not a walking injury waiting to happen.

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