Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas -Trade Deadline Thursday 2 pm CT

[msiris]

People need to stop living in the past and move forward.

[mlloyd10]

Its very simple - In a matter of two years - Both Khris and Brock have lost a step and the D we are running is exposing them.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

There is this guy playing in europe ... (Joking)

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It still amazes me the guy couldn't stick around. Maybe he truly never recovered from his knee injury, but dude was a certified bucket getter. Even when he came back fresh off the second injury, he was 22 putting 19/7 per 36 on good efficiency.

I'm saying he was ever going to be good, but Michael F-ing Beasley somehow had a 11-year career and may have been longer if not for covid.

[raferfenix]

Zach Lowe had Bill Simmons on his pod and both of them adamantly think OKC needs another big who can rebound, if only as a 6-7th man.

They also said the Thunder don’t leak so if they very well might be aggressively talking trades.

What’s their best offer for Bobby? If it involves picks we could send them elsewhere of course.

[Ron Swanson]

The sooner you guys just accept that no amount of younger, more athletic personnel is gonna fix this defense, the sooner we can stop throwing Khris and Brook into trade proposals. I don't see the point of knee-capping the offense when that's the only way we're winning a championship this year.

[GoldenAntlers]

I'm more concerned with maximizing value with the future in mind than I am for this year.

In the very near future, both Brook and Midds will not be valuable.

[sidney lanier]

The sooner you guys just accept that no amount of younger, more athletic personnel is gonna fix this defense, the sooner we can stop throwing Khris and Brook into trade proposals. I don't see the point of knee-capping the offense when that's the only way we're winning a championship this year.

You're wasting your breath. Some people will always favor defense because it connotes toughness. That's why you trade Ray Allen for Gary Payton. And that's why offense-for-defense trades blow up in your face.

[JayMKE]

Griff is a lame duck and its looking like a lost season to me and hopefully that's all it is, him getting fired at this point probably still won't salvage this season. Gotta hang this around the neck of Horst, he botched the coaching hire more anybody could and the roster fit isn't good either. IMO a team playing defense like this isn't winning ****, I would bet everything against it.

I'm open to any trades and think if there is good value for anybody other than Giannis it should be considered, Giannis covers for how old and unathletic this team is and it can't stay that way. Giannis signed the extension, we gotta bridge what we got now which is not enough & completely kaput in a few years to something sustainable.

[Frank Nova]

Zach Lowe had Bill Simmons on his pod and both of them adamantly think OKC needs another big who can rebound, if only as a 6-7th man.

They also said the Thunder don’t leak so if they very well might be aggressively talking trades.

What’s their best offer for Bobby? If it involves picks we could send them elsewhere of course.

Lu Dort is a decent target but it’s hard to match salaries with him. Dort, Jaylin Williams and Joe for Bobby Pat Livingston works on fanspo. Maybe OKC sees our vets as good glue pieces to make a real post season run and doesn’t mind letting go of some youth. Joe and Beasley could be a nice bench pairing to come in and bomb 3s, Jaylin Williams is a nice young big to develop in the Bobby role and Dort starting with Dame gives us a decent perimeter defender. I guess it depends how much OKC would value Bobby and Pat?

[sidney lanier]

Griff is a lame duck and its looking like a lost season to me and hopefully that's all it is, him getting fired at this point probably still won't salvage this season. Gotta hang this around the neck of Horst, he botched the coaching hire more anybody could and the roster fit isn't good either. IMO a team playing defense like this isn't winning ****, I would bet everything against it.

No team is odds-on (>50% probability) to win the championship this year, and you probably have 5 or 6 teams, including the Bucks, with a greater than 1 in 6 chance of hoisting the Larry O'Brien trophy.

I'm curious, though, what probability those who see the season as lost because of Griffin or any other reason assign to the Bucks winning the title. Someone a few pages back said 1%, but I doubt that you or anyone else would lay 100 to 1 against the Bucks winning the title.

What in your opinion are fair odds against the Bucks winning the title?

[Siefer]

The sooner you guys just accept that no amount of younger, more athletic personnel is gonna fix this defense, the sooner we can stop throwing Khris and Brook into trade proposals. I don't see the point of knee-capping the offense when that's the only way we're winning a championship this year.

You're wasting your breath. Some people will always favor defense because it connotes toughness. That's why you trade Ray Allen for Gary Payton. And that's why offense-for-defense trades blow up in your face.

I think you're misunderstanding the thrust of the post you quoted.

[tydett]

"Let us trade our guys who won a championship playing excellent defense for guys who can fit in a defense that, when executed the way the coach envisions, resulted in teams that made the play-in."

Sadly, the more this team tries to execute Griffin's defense, the more they look like a play-in team.

[Siefer]

Good stuff.

https://www.brewhoop.com/2024/1/19/24042827/adrian-griffin-milwaukee-bucks-midseason

I want to add a note to this section, though:

Another problem all of this scrambling has created is that the Bucks have gone from an elite defensive rebounding team for years to a slightly below average one, ranking seventeenth in Cleaning the Glass’ DRB%. They never ranked worse than third under Mike Budenholzer, even when Brook Lopez missed most of the season. The perimeter defenders are pressuring too high, too often, and forcing Lopez into difficult decisions, leaving more opportunities for opposing bigs to clean-up misses. The scrambling also leads to defenders having to closeout harder and sometimes close out across a shooter, which allows not only bigs, but also wings to come in for easy offensive rebounds.

We're also using Giannis more like a wing defender than a big, and he's spending much more time out on the perimeter, and farther from the hoop. This is a significant part of our interior problems.

[sidney lanier]

Good stuff.

https://www.brewhoop.com/2024/1/19/24042827/adrian-griffin-milwaukee-bucks-midseason

I want to add a note to this section, though:

Another problem all of this scrambling has created is that the Bucks have gone from an elite defensive rebounding team for years to a slightly below average one, ranking seventeenth in Cleaning the Glass’ DRB%. They never ranked worse than third under Mike Budenholzer, even when Brook Lopez missed most of the season. The perimeter defenders are pressuring too high, too often, and forcing Lopez into difficult decisions, leaving more opportunities for opposing bigs to clean-up misses. The scrambling also leads to defenders having to closeout harder and sometimes close out across a shooter, which allows not only bigs, but also wings to come in for easy offensive rebounds.

We're also using Giannis more like a wing defender than a big, and he's spending much more time out on the perimeter, and farther from the hoop. This is a significant part of our interior problems.

"Lucky To Just Be Bad"? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm beginning to get the feeling that Brewhoop is not a big Griffin fan.

[Siefer]

We (Horst/ownership) have three real options as far as I can tell:

- Hope that we catch fire at the right time, and shooting-variance our way to a title. Blind luck, but I'll take it.
- Hope Griffin wakes up one morning and has magically ascended to being a replacement-level coach. Blind faith, but I'll take it.
- Fire Griffin.

This last one is the only real knob you have to turn, and it leads to the follow up question: who do you bring in? If it's just Prunty, you're better off hoping for one of the first two miracles. Bud isn't happening. If you can bring back Stotts, you do it right now, but I think that's unlikely. If it's someone like Atkinson or Doc, you're hoping they're competent enough to be worth the huge embarrassment and turmoil. If I wasn't a fan of this team, I'd be fascinated by this situation.

[Ron Swanson]

Being literally dead last in opponent turnover percentage is the only stat you need to know that the scheme is absolute garbage. Like, actively being the worst team in the league at the one thing the defense is designed to do couldn't be a bigger indictment against Griffin as a coach.

Madden had another depressing comment on one of the recent podcasts where he tried his best not to outright call Griff incompetent, basically summarizing his thought process as "This is the defense I ran with my last team and it's the only defense I know how to implement". Like....yikes. We're beyond the point of debating tactics and schemes now. At this point it's more of a question of his baseline level intelligence and ability to even recognize obvious problems, let alone actually fix them. Because so far, he's shown absolutely no indication of either.

[Profound23]

Would you guys trade Bobby, Pat C., filler for Bruce Brown?

[Prez]

I’m gonna be honest, I’m starting to check out a bit. You’re not winning a title with the dumbest coach in the league, but they’re also not going to fire him. It genuinely feels like they’re just content lighting this season on fire.

[yannisk]

The worst case scenario is the team talent gets us to valiant playoff defeat against the Celtics or the Sixers. The management give Grief another year, following that Lillard forces us to trade him for some reduced return.

We waste another season next year before we finally fire him.

Just fire him now, there is no growth, no improvement in defense or rebounding. Even a temporary coach will be better than Grief, he is not going to coach another nba team he is nothing more than a temporary coach (and a bad one).

But I have to question the rest of the coaching staff, don't they give him some suggestions?

[msiris]

The sooner you guys just accept that no amount of younger, more athletic personnel is gonna fix this defense, the sooner we can stop throwing Khris and Brook into trade proposals. I don't see the point of knee-capping the offense when that's the only way we're winning a championship this year.

Sorry that will not work. The worst D to win a chip was Denver at 16. We are not even close to that. I would love to be wrong but the way things are now just no way.