What to do with Bruce Brown

[sule]

Two of Brown, Schroder, and Trent Jr should be gone by the deadline. Take the best offer for two of them and keep the other one.

In terms of play style and contribution towards winning, Brown is the ideal candidate to keep. A Brown/Quickley/RJ backcourt would be a nice start for the rebuild.

Trent should be gone by the deadline. I don't really see us keeping him any longer. He was here as long as he was b/c we struggled to score, but Quickley and RJ will replace any scoring prowess he provides.

And Schroder was like an emergency signing b/c no one in their right mind would've gone into the season with Flynn.

So, ideally, Schroder and Trent should be the ones to go and if we can keep Brown long-term on a reasonable contract.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I'm leaning toward keeping him. He's tradable next season, even as an expiring if there's an opportunity to buy. Do people think really good prospects are going to be offered for him? Teams will offer their poor man's Bruce Brown that is set to get paid, or lame picks. I think those lame picks will be up for grabs next deadline.

[Psubs]

I don't say this lightly, but he has a poor man's OG like impact (an impact that only grows in the playoffs). Makes almost any lineup better and does it with out disrupting any of your concepts (like the anti RJ)

That being said, he's a role player like Norm or Fred, and you can't get attached to them in this cycle we're currently in (the start of a belated rebuild). If he has young player plus pick trade value, you take it.

Indiana should've traded Brown and 1st pick for Poeltl

Speaking of OG, if he was paired with Brown in NY, that would be solid wall! Brown guards 1-2 while OG guards 2-4; with the overlap, they can guard 2 of a team's best wings/guards, which would allow Brunson and Randle to focus even more on offense.

[Psubs]

I'm leaning toward keeping him. He's tradable next season, even as an expiring if there's an opportunity to buy. Do people think really good prospects are going to be offered for him? Teams will offer their poor man's Bruce Brown that is set to get paid, or lame picks. I think those lame picks will be up for grabs next deadline.

Set to get paid? He was set last summer. I guess, it might be smarter to negotiate declining the team option for a multi-year deal that's more than the MLE. Say 16-18-20. If you accept the team option and the cap really rises he might get over $20 million to start.

If NY is willing to give Fournier, Grimes and 1st pick then I trade Brown. If just 1 young player or just one 1st pick then I'd be cool to keep him unless the 1st would help make another bigger trade.

[sidsid]

I don't say this lightly, but he has a poor man's OG like impact (an impact that only grows in the playoffs). Makes almost any lineup better and does it with out disrupting any of your concepts (like the anti RJ)

That being said, he's a role player like Norm or Fred, and you can't get attached to them in this cycle we're currently in (the start of a belated rebuild). If he has young player plus pick trade value, you take it.

Indiana should've traded Brown and 1st pick for Poeltl

Speaking of OG, if he was paired with Brown in NY, that would be solid wall! Brown guards 1-2 while OG guards 2-4; with the overlap, they can guard 2 of a team's best wings/guards, which would allow Brunson and Randle to focus even more on offense.

Had we just done the Siakam trade, I could easily get behind Barnes/OG/Brown as your core of guys who do just about everything for you. You'd just have to focus on drafting/signing/trading for another star to plop in there.

[Ackshun]

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[Ackshun]

"his value to other teams is way higher"
if all that's offered is late first round pick then his value to the raptors is way higher

100%. One of those guys that doesn’t require plays drawn up, but is effective because he’s always on the go. Always creating something for the other 4 guys that might not show up on the stat sheet. Good court vision. Quick as ****. Unselfish. Always bouncing. I love it.

I wish his outside shot was a little more consistent but otherwise, I’d consider him part of the core moving without a doubt.

Disagreed.

1. That pick gets added to what we have which can then be used to package for a much more valuable player at a later date when we want to actually win which goes into the next point (not to mention we've already heard Grimes as someone the Knicks would use in the trade and he can be every bit as good as Brown, if not better with better shooting AND MUCH longer contractual control)

2. Everyone wants a good pick next year so what the heck is the point of hanging onto Brown?! lol We're not trying to win right now annnnd his value is HIGHEST right now! Let's not make the same mistake at a smaller scale that we just did with Pascal. Get the MOST you can out of him in trade.

This team doesn't need to be competitive at all the next couple of seasons, the goal should be to get as much young talent as possible before Scottie's next big contract starts, tank to get the best possible picks you can, add as much draft capital as possible to either let our highly touted scouts connect on at least one or two OR use them in a future trade for a more substantial player THEN build around those guys! You'd have ample money to go get the "Bruce Brown's, Dillion Brooks & Fred's" of the league then. I'd rather bottom out, get better picks/talent/another great core piece with MUCH higher upside then win a few extra games because of Brown's fit for a couple of years and have worse pick(s) to end up with the same result of being in the lottery only with a worse selection just for the sake of "vibes" lol.

It's like some of you don't understand the concept of short term pain for long term gain. Keeping Brown for a 1 1/2 year window (people act like he's on a 3-4 year contract lol) where we're guaranteed not to be a good team makes no sense at all, it's actually counterproductive.

You made some good points, even though they were debatable.

But then you end with “it’s like some of you don’t understand …”. Like you go out of your way to make it personal and go on the attack. Such an awful human being.

I won’t engage any more. I honestly thought you matured since I last unblocked you but I guess not. It’s back. Please don’t reply to any of my posts moving forward.

[SpezNc]

Two of Brown, Schroder, and Trent Jr should be gone by the deadline. Take the best offer for two of them and keep the other one.

I would argue two of Brown, Schroder, Trent Jr and Boucher

Schroder would be the least likely to be traded although I hope FO is listening in case a team offer something good.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I'm leaning toward keeping him. He's tradable next season, even as an expiring if there's an opportunity to buy. Do people think really good prospects are going to be offered for him? Teams will offer their poor man's Bruce Brown that is set to get paid, or lame picks. I think those lame picks will be up for grabs next deadline.

Set to get paid? He was set last summer. I guess, it might be smarter to negotiate declining the team option for a multi-year deal that's more than the MLE. Say 16-18-20. If you accept the team option and the cap really rises he might get over $20 million to start.

If NY is willing to give Fournier, Grimes and 1st pick then I trade Brown. If just 1 young player or just one 1st pick then I'd be cool to keep him unless the 1st would help make another bigger trade.

There's only three reasons I'd trade him 1) he doesn't want to be here 2) a team offers something stupid in return and 3) the Raptors anticipate they'll be bad for several seasons.

[alpngso]

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[ArthurVandelay]

He hasn’t even unpacked his suitcase. Trade him asap. These comments are beyond disrespectful to the Raptors and fan base.

The Knicks head coach gravitates toward a few required qualities in what he looks for in his players — tough, hard-nosed, smart and willing on defense. Raptors wing Bruce Brown would seem to fit the bill. “I am a dog,” Brown told The Post on Saturday night prior to the Raptors’ 126-100 loss to the Knicks at Madison Square Garden. “I play extremely hard on both ends of the floor. I can do just about whatever [Thibodeau] needs me to do.”

“I play extremely hard,” Brown said. “I would think [I’m] the type of player that he likes.” And Brown has long been an admirer of Thibodeau. “Every time we play Thibs I go up to him and shake his hand, just because of what he’s done,” Brown said. “Nothing but respect for Thibs.”

“Try not to pay attention to it and just hoop, control what I can control,” Brown said. “I can’t control if I get moved again or not, it’s out of my mind.”

“I love New York,” Brown said. “I hated New York before I lived here, but as soon as I moved here I loved it. Anytime you want to do something you can go do it. Great restaurants, great city, I love being back.”

https://nypost.com/2024/01/21/sports/raptors-bruce-brown-im-knicks-tom-thibodeaus-type-of-player/

[Zeno]

The problem with waiting on trading Brown is that he loses much of his trade value in the offseason for teams trying to get out of the tax. He just becomes a good player overpaid on an expiring at that point.
Only if you plan to keep him long term does it make sense to keep him into the offseason because we’d have capspace and can resign him on a long term at a lower number. Keeping him to cut him to create capspace or to trade next deadline would be absolutely horrible asset management.

[WaltFrazier]

I don't say this lightly, but he has a poor man's OG like impact (an impact that only grows in the playoffs). Makes almost any lineup better and does it with out disrupting any of your concepts (like the anti RJ)

That being said, he's a role player like Norm or Fred, and you can't get attached to them in this cycle we're currently in (the start of a belated rebuild). If he has young player plus pick trade value, you take it.

Indiana should've traded Brown and 1st pick for Poeltl

Speaking of OG, if he was paired with Brown in NY, that would be solid wall! Brown guards 1-2 while OG guards 2-4; with the overlap, they can guard 2 of a team's best wings/guards, which would allow Brunson and Randle to focus even more on offense.

Yeah Brown is a Thibs type of player too. It's funny to me, Knicks board has a lot of interest in either Murray or Brogdon, which increased after they both had great games the night before last. Whereas Brown had a down game last night, and many there have written him off now. Same on here I think. Not saying I'm any smarter, I fall prey to recency bias and seeing one good or bad game as much as anyone.

Mikal Bridges would give the Knicks even more of the defensive solid wall that you described, plus better scoring. He is like one of the Knicks board's dream acquisitions, but apparently even if Brooklyn does decide to blow it up they won't do business with the Knicks. Won't help the local rival.

[GP2]

I'm not going to claim that I can read people from my TV screen, but Brown looks like he has one foot out the door.

[ArthurVandelay]

I'm not going to claim that I can read people from my TV screen, but Brown looks like he has one foot out the door.

He never came in.

He’s standing on the front step and everyone is telling him it is freezing outside, come in and warm up.

But he could care less.

[ATLTimekeeper]

The problem with waiting on trading Brown is that he loses much of his trade value in the offseason for teams trying to get out of the tax. He just becomes a good player overpaid on an expiring at that point.
Only if you plan to keep him long term does it make sense to keep him into the offseason because we’d have capspace and can resign him on a long term at a lower number. Keeping him to cut him to create capspace or to trade next deadline would be absolutely horrible asset management.

What kind of depreciation do you think would really occur between this year and next deadline. These guys tend to have stable value, because they're appreciated by good teams over the cap. These teams have fringe prospects (Grimes) and bad picks (late FRPs) to offer. Sure, the quality of prospect and pick can get worse, but it's still a fringe return.

If he doesn't want to be here at all, then by all means send him on his way.

[Raptorland23]

Already caught a few eye rolls and disgruntled looks from him, aside from not liking his body language I’m not a fan of his size or overall game in general

If there is a market I’d move him, I get bad vibes when I see him and I came in with an open mind, hopeful I’d like his game.

Also not a fan of him openly campaigning to join the Knicks last night. I don’t think there is room here for uncommitted players.

[Ackshun]

He hasn’t even unpacked his suitcase. Trade him asap. These comments are beyond disrespectful to the Raptors and fan base.

The Knicks head coach gravitates toward a few required qualities in what he looks for in his players — tough, hard-nosed, smart and willing on defense. Raptors wing Bruce Brown would seem to fit the bill. “I am a dog,” Brown told The Post on Saturday night prior to the Raptors’ 126-100 loss to the Knicks at Madison Square Garden. “I play extremely hard on both ends of the floor. I can do just about whatever [Thibodeau] needs me to do.”

“I play extremely hard,” Brown said. “I would think [I’m] the type of player that he likes.” And Brown has long been an admirer of Thibodeau. “Every time we play Thibs I go up to him and shake his hand, just because of what he’s done,” Brown said. “Nothing but respect for Thibs.”

“Try not to pay attention to it and just hoop, control what I can control,” Brown said. “I can’t control if I get moved again or not, it’s out of my mind.”

“I love New York,” Brown said. “I hated New York before I lived here, but as soon as I moved here I loved it. Anytime you want to do something you can go do it. Great restaurants, great city, I love being back.”

https://nypost.com/2024/01/21/sports/raptors-bruce-brown-im-knicks-tom-thibodeaus-type-of-player/

I can’t blame the guy.. the headline on the trade all over the continent was “traded to Toronto and will likely be move again, with x and y interested”. We also have a vote to move him on RGM, the gold standard of basketball forums

Give him a few months. He’ll love it here. They usually do.

[traps#10]

I was on the boat of keeping him but as others have noticed, he doesn’t seem too interested in staying with a rebuilding team based on body language and comments. We should trade him then and see if we can acquire a 3+D prospect to shift RJ back down to the SG position and trade Trent as well.

[Madvillainy2004]

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Not really loving these comments lmao