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2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 7 - It’s about to go down

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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 7 - It’s about to go down 

Post#201 » by Beenie » Wed Feb 5, 2025 5:30 pm

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Post#202 » by carnageta » Wed Feb 5, 2025 5:32 pm

Lets stick to the plan and just get Butler off of this roster before the deadline without taking back any long term contracts. Having the remainder of the season for our young guys to develop and for Herro / Bam to take the lead as 'alphas' is going to be crucial for the long term success of this team, imo.

Lets not get carried away now with big names. It's just not the right fit anymore. It's time to cut ties and move on.
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Post#203 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Feb 5, 2025 5:32 pm

carnageta wrote:
inhabitMiami wrote:Jovic is a 20yo 6'11 sharpshooter who can handle the ball and make passes out of the P&R as the ballhandler. Last 15 he's putting up 14/5/4 off the bench shooting 38% from 3 on 7 attempts.

Significantly better prospect than Kuminga. It ain't close!!!



If Kuminga didn't play for the Warriors, nobody would even know who he was, and on 28 other teams he would considered a 'trash' asset (with the exception being LA).


The greatest asset in all of this is Jimmy. The suns have wanted Jimmy for months, not Wiggins, not Kuminga, not the Warriors picks, none of it. They’ve been focused on Jimmy the entire time.

Don’t care what the “experts” or Barry say, the best package available in the eyes of the Suns is Jimmy, Jovic, and a 1st (if even available).

Suns have to stay competitive, my guess is KD asked to be traded if they couldn’t trade Beal for Jimmy. Jimmy keeps them competitive.

This will come down to what KD wants and that very well could be the warriors but it’s not because we’re operating at a disadvantage in these talks
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Post#204 » by greg4012 » Wed Feb 5, 2025 5:32 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
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Where are all these great assets Golden State has to trade?


Gary Payton, Kuminga, Podz and most importantly they can trade 3 first round picks. And they have Wiggins who is a solid player and decent tradeable contract to match salary.

I think if you were to compare those to our assets that we are actually willing to trade, which I think is just about JJJ Butler 1 frp ... heck we don't even know if Riley is offering JJJ just cuz we think he should. So yea.

JJJ does not meet the requirements. Would need to be Jovic, Burks, or J Rich.


What requirements does Podz meet that JJJ doesn't?
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Post#205 » by carnageta » Wed Feb 5, 2025 5:35 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
carnageta wrote:
inhabitMiami wrote:Jovic is a 20yo 6'11 sharpshooter who can handle the ball and make passes out of the P&R as the ballhandler. Last 15 he's putting up 14/5/4 off the bench shooting 38% from 3 on 7 attempts.

Significantly better prospect than Kuminga. It ain't close!!!



If Kuminga didn't play for the Warriors, nobody would even know who he was, and on 28 other teams he would considered a 'trash' asset (with the exception being LA).


The greatest asset in all of this is Jimmy. The suns have wanted Jimmy for months, not Wiggins, not Kuminga, not the Warriors picks, none of it. They’ve been focused on Jimmy the entire time.

Don’t care what the “experts” or Barry say, the best package available in the eyes of the Suns is Jimmy, Jovic, and a 1st (if even available).

Suns have to stay competitive, my guess is KD asked to be traded if they couldn’t trade Beal for Jimmy. Jimmy keeps them competitive.

This will come down to what KD wants and that very well could be the warriors but it’s not because we’re operating at a disadvantage in these talks



I agree. But I also think a lot of these GMs are absolute clowns that end up falling for all of the 'big market' propaganda.

You can't tell me Dame doesn't get traded for Herro, Jovic, and Jaime if all three (3) of those guys were playing in either Golden State, New York, or LA. The media would be spinning it off as an absolute steal for the Blazers.
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Post#206 » by SA37 » Wed Feb 5, 2025 5:36 pm

I don't know what the final deal will look like, but I don't see how Riley doesn't come away from this with Durant coming back to Miami. He's going to tell the Suns owner, "look, I've got the guy you want, you've got the guy I want. And I'm simply not facilitating a deal where I don't get my guy."
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Post#207 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Feb 5, 2025 5:37 pm

carnageta wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
carnageta wrote:

If Kuminga didn't play for the Warriors, nobody would even know who he was, and on 28 other teams he would considered a 'trash' asset (with the exception being LA).


The greatest asset in all of this is Jimmy. The suns have wanted Jimmy for months, not Wiggins, not Kuminga, not the Warriors picks, none of it. They’ve been focused on Jimmy the entire time.

Don’t care what the “experts” or Barry say, the best package available in the eyes of the Suns is Jimmy, Jovic, and a 1st (if even available).

Suns have to stay competitive, my guess is KD asked to be traded if they couldn’t trade Beal for Jimmy. Jimmy keeps them competitive.

This will come down to what KD wants and that very well could be the warriors but it’s not because we’re operating at a disadvantage in these talks



I agree. But I also think a lot of these GMs are absolute clowns that end up falling for all of the 'big market' propaganda.

You can't tell me Dame doesn't get traded for Herro, Jovic, and Jaime if all three (3) of those guys were playing in either Golden State, New York, or LA. The media would be spinning it off as an absolute steal for the Blazers.


Oh for sure, if Bam was in LA he’d have 3 DPOYs right now
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Post#208 » by carnageta » Wed Feb 5, 2025 5:37 pm

greg4012 wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
Lennyzinho wrote:
Gary Payton, Kuminga, Podz and most importantly they can trade 3 first round picks. And they have Wiggins who is a solid player and decent tradeable contract to match salary.

I think if you were to compare those to our assets that we are actually willing to trade, which I think is just about JJJ Butler 1 frp ... heck we don't even know if Riley is offering JJJ just cuz we think he should. So yea.

JJJ does not meet the requirements. Would need to be Jovic, Burks, or J Rich.


What requirements does Podz meet that JJJ doesn't?


Podz plays for the Warriors. That's the requirement :lol:
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Post#209 » by carnageta » Wed Feb 5, 2025 5:38 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
carnageta wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
The greatest asset in all of this is Jimmy. The suns have wanted Jimmy for months, not Wiggins, not Kuminga, not the Warriors picks, none of it. They’ve been focused on Jimmy the entire time.

Don’t care what the “experts” or Barry say, the best package available in the eyes of the Suns is Jimmy, Jovic, and a 1st (if even available).

Suns have to stay competitive, my guess is KD asked to be traded if they couldn’t trade Beal for Jimmy. Jimmy keeps them competitive.

This will come down to what KD wants and that very well could be the warriors but it’s not because we’re operating at a disadvantage in these talks



I agree. But I also think a lot of these GMs are absolute clowns that end up falling for all of the 'big market' propaganda.

You can't tell me Dame doesn't get traded for Herro, Jovic, and Jaime if all three (3) of those guys were playing in either Golden State, New York, or LA. The media would be spinning it off as an absolute steal for the Blazers.


Oh for sure, if Bam was in LA he’d have 3 DPOYs right now


It's sad just how true this really is. Lol
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Post#210 » by Hoops3355 » Wed Feb 5, 2025 5:39 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
carnageta wrote:
inhabitMiami wrote:Jovic is a 20yo 6'11 sharpshooter who can handle the ball and make passes out of the P&R as the ballhandler. Last 15 he's putting up 14/5/4 off the bench shooting 38% from 3 on 7 attempts.

Significantly better prospect than Kuminga. It ain't close!!!



If Kuminga didn't play for the Warriors, nobody would even know who he was, and on 28 other teams he would considered a 'trash' asset (with the exception being LA).


The greatest asset in all of this is Jimmy. The suns have wanted Jimmy for months, not Wiggins, not Kuminga, not the Warriors picks, none of it. They’ve been focused on Jimmy the entire time.

Don’t care what the “experts” or Barry say, the best package available in the eyes of the Suns is Jimmy, Jovic, and a 1st (if even available).

Suns have to stay competitive, my guess is KD asked to be traded if they couldn’t trade Beal for Jimmy. Jimmy keeps them competitive.

This will come down to what KD wants and that very well could be the warriors but it’s not because we’re operating at a disadvantage in these talks



Their own board is saying Jimmy, filler, and 1st if they trade KD to GSW. You guys are over valuing KD. GSW and Miami are clearly the only ones bidding or else he'd have been moved already to one of the 28 other teams with better assets.

Jimmy, Josh, and 1st imo is way if not see ya in Detroit Jimmy at least Tobias shows up to work.
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Post#212 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Feb 5, 2025 5:42 pm

Wiggins, Kuminga, Looney, GP2, and picks for Durant and we are most likely getting shut out.
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Post#213 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Feb 5, 2025 5:44 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
carnageta wrote:

If Kuminga didn't play for the Warriors, nobody would even know who he was, and on 28 other teams he would considered a 'trash' asset (with the exception being LA).


The greatest asset in all of this is Jimmy. The suns have wanted Jimmy for months, not Wiggins, not Kuminga, not the Warriors picks, none of it. They’ve been focused on Jimmy the entire time.

Don’t care what the “experts” or Barry say, the best package available in the eyes of the Suns is Jimmy, Jovic, and a 1st (if even available).

Suns have to stay competitive, my guess is KD asked to be traded if they couldn’t trade Beal for Jimmy. Jimmy keeps them competitive.

This will come down to what KD wants and that very well could be the warriors but it’s not because we’re operating at a disadvantage in these talks



Their own board is saying Jimmy, filler, and 1st if they trade KD to GSW. You guys are over valuing KD. GSW and Miami are clearly the only ones bidding or else he'd have been moved already to one of the 28 other teams with better assets.

Jimmy, Josh, and 1st imo is way if not see ya in Detroit Jimmy at least Tobias shows up to work.


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Post#214 » by Kobewade11 » Wed Feb 5, 2025 5:47 pm

SA37 wrote:I don't know what the final deal will look like, but I don't see how Riley doesn't come away from this with Durant coming back to Miami. He's going to tell the Suns owner, "look, I've got the guy you want, you've got the guy I want. And I'm simply not facilitating a deal where I don't get my guy."

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Post#215 » by Hoops3355 » Wed Feb 5, 2025 5:47 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:Wiggins, Kuminga, Looney, GP2, and picks for Durant and we are most likely getting shut out.



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Post#216 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Feb 5, 2025 5:49 pm

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Post#217 » by SA37 » Wed Feb 5, 2025 5:50 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:Wiggins, Kuminga, Looney, GP2, and picks for Durant and we are most likely getting shut out.


If -- big if -- the goal of trading Durant is to ensure Butler ends up in Phoenix, this doesn't make that happen. I also don't think the Warriors would give up Kuminga in the deal. Does Phoenix even want to pay Kuminga?

Again, if the goal for Phoenix is acquiring Butler right now -- and if they're entertaining trading Durant, what else could the goal be? -- I just can't imagine Riley turning Miami into a facilitator where stars end up everywhere but in Miami.

Still trading Durant to get Butler is as ridiculous as trading Doncic because "defense wins championships". Ok, not quite on the level, but still...
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Post#218 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Feb 5, 2025 5:50 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Wiggins, Kuminga, Looney, GP2, and picks for Durant and we are most likely getting shut out.



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Post#219 » by Rapaz » Wed Feb 5, 2025 5:51 pm

Forget ScoopB. Listen to PimpP.

Durant to Miami is still alive.
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Post#220 » by fishfuego. » Wed Feb 5, 2025 5:51 pm

No to include Jovic.
Butler and JJJ, ok.
Once Jovic gets stronger, he will be a complete different player, complete player being a key word. Durant is a thing of the past, and we’re not winning anything with him. So no Jovic.
Again I’m ok with sending Butler and JJJ, but that’s it. Rozier if possible, that’s a no brainer lol

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