Fantasy Trade Thread

[XDevilBoiX]

I rather have Embiid because he has a drive to be the best, Towns hasn’t shown he has the drive yet. I don’t want players who just settles with who they are.

If Towns wasn't driven, then how could he possibly be a 22 ppg scorer on 62% true shooting for his career at age 22?

That’s his talent alone there, just like in other threads his defense hasn’t been that good. Maybe it will improve this year? There’s a reason Butler called him and that team out, we don’t see what goes on behind closed doors but if a Star player wants out, it means something is wrong there.

[TheSuzerain]

And that's insane.

Embiid's offensive issues are predominately due to him being miscast as the guy expected to close out games when every team with sense does that with guards/wings who aren't afraid to shoot the ball. He frankly has very few offensive issues, but the ones he does have often do flare up at the most visible times (i.e. crunch time).

He's a top 3 player in the East in terms of overall impact, but he does need a suitable foil to close out games if you all are going to contend. It's confusing to me why your management hasn't made it priority #1 to acquire one.

They tried on Draft night 2017. They tried this past offseason. They will try again this offseason.

Not trying hard enough.

They could have easily snagged Jimmy Butler for the package to acquire Markelle Fultz.

[Kobblehead]

You cannot coast and maintain elite level scoring efficiency like Towns does. Okafor coasted. Wiggins coasts. And that's reflective in how inefficient they are. Towns works really hard to be as elite an offensive player as he is.

[the_process]

And that's insane.

Embiid's offensive issues are predominately due to him being miscast as the guy expected to close out games when every team with sense does that with guards/wings who aren't afraid to shoot the ball. He frankly has very few offensive issues, but the ones he does have often do flare up at the most visible times (i.e. crunch time).

He's a top 3 player in the East in terms of overall impact, but he does need a suitable foil to close out games if you all are going to contend. It's confusing to me why your management hasn't made it priority #1 to acquire one.

They tried on Draft night 2017. They tried this past offseason. They will try again this offseason.

Not trying hard enough.

They could have easily snagged Jimmy Butler for the package to acquire Markelle Fultz.

Man, and I thought I had hot takes.

[Kobblehead]

Towns appears completely dejected and on the ropes in Minnesota. If ever there were a time to swoop in and land a 22 year old superstar talent that embodies the modern game...

[the_process]

Towns appears completely dejected and on the ropes in Minnesota. If ever there were a time to swoop in and land a 22 year old superstar talent that embodies the modern game...

It won't even cost Embiid at this point.

[Kobblehead]

We're at the point where Towns + assets could head our way if Embiid is heading out. Forget a swap, Minnesota has now become the buyer on Embiid. An absolute coup scenario for the Sixers.

[Negrodamus]

I'm not completely with you on the Embiid for Towns (and change, I guess) trade. From a talent standpoint, Embiid is ahead in my opinion. But from a culture standpoint, he has embraced Philly, Philly loves him, he is incredibly marketable and trending in news cycles. I just don't see a point in making that trade just to fit Ben Simmons's game just a little more.

[Kobblehead]

I just think the endgame is four shooter lineups around Ben to cultivate his megapush towards superstardom.

On the other hand, if we're not sold on Ben being that guy, maybe we should explore ways to maximize Joel with ball handlers that are a threat from each level.

This purgatory phase of de-optimizing both of them in two shooter lineups isn't doing anything for the team or their respective individual development. Right now, we're directionless.

[Negrodamus]

I get all of that, but we are pretty young too.

I think the sweet spot should have been acquire 2 stars and then sign/trade for the 3rd star that will fit. This investment in Fultz has been pretty rough and a pivotal moment in the rebuild. Even jump shot aside, he's in a different stage of his development compared to Simmons and Embiid.

Who knows what we could have done with the Kings pick, but players like Beal and McCollum would fit in here like a glove and we'd be able to make a run this year or next. Even though I disliked both, we could have drafted a project like Ball (assuming the Lakers took Fultz 2nd if the Celtics were taking Tatum) or Jackson and let them be role players with a possibility of more with the rebuild of their jumpshots. Sinking a large portion of our future in Fultz will always perplex me. And there's nothing against Fultz at all; he's just not a guy worth trading up for.

[VDT]

We're at the point where Towns + assets could head our way if Embiid is heading out. Forget a swap, Minnesota has now become the buyer on Embiid. An absolute coup scenario for the Sixers.

Teams dont trade their best player to accomodate their second best player.

Simmons at the moment is not a player you can build around as he has too many holes in his game. Even if the Sixers make this trade how are you going to build a contender around a player that is neither a scorer nor a shooter. Even his playmaking abilities are overrated at the moment. He has very good court vision but he cant collapse the defence and create open shots which makes his game dependent on role players getting free or hitting tough shots. This type of game gets shut down in the playoffs as you saw last year.

I could see if we had Giannis and Embiid and you preferred Giannis but Simmons is worse than Giannis who is worse than Lebron and Lebron is more losing than winning the last 8 years even though he jumped from team to team and played in a historically weak conference both of which will not be true with Simmons. How do you plan to build around Simmons?

You can also head over to the Timberwolves forum and ask them what they think about KAT.

[Kobblehead]

I get all of that, but we are pretty young too.

I think the sweet spot should have been acquire 2 stars and then sign/trade for the 3rd star that will fit. This investment in Fultz has been pretty rough and a pivotal moment in the rebuild. Even jump shot aside, he's in a different stage of his development compared to Simmons and Embiid.

Who knows what we could have done with the Kings pick, but players like Beal and McCollum would fit in here like a glove and we'd be able to make a run this year or next. Even though I disliked both, we could have drafted a project like Ball (assuming the Lakers took Fultz 2nd if the Celtics were taking Tatum) or Jackson and let them be role players with a possibility of more with the rebuild of their jumpshots. Sinking a large portion of our future in Fultz will always perplex me. And there's nothing against Fultz at all; he's just not a guy worth trading up for.

I agree, a lot of missed opportunities with the #3 pick and the Kings pick (assuming we don't win the lotto) that could have fasttracked our ascension into title contention.

What's the course of action in the aftermath? Right now we're basically playing 40 win basketball and getting marginal on-court development from Simmons and Fultz. Neither look like they're ever going to develop any semblance of a jumper (other than Fultz in the corner on assisted shots).

[Negrodamus]

I get all of that, but we are pretty young too.

I think the sweet spot should have been acquire 2 stars and then sign/trade for the 3rd star that will fit. This investment in Fultz has been pretty rough and a pivotal moment in the rebuild. Even jump shot aside, he's in a different stage of his development compared to Simmons and Embiid.

Who knows what we could have done with the Kings pick, but players like Beal and McCollum would fit in here like a glove and we'd be able to make a run this year or next. Even though I disliked both, we could have drafted a project like Ball (assuming the Lakers took Fultz 2nd if the Celtics were taking Tatum) or Jackson and let them be role players with a possibility of more with the rebuild of their jumpshots. Sinking a large portion of our future in Fultz will always perplex me. And there's nothing against Fultz at all; he's just not a guy worth trading up for.

I agree, a lot of missed opportunities with the #3 pick and the Kings pick (assuming we don't win the lotto) that could have fasttracked our ascension into title contention.

What's the course of action in the aftermath? Right now we're basically playing 40 win basketball and getting marginal on-court development from Simmons and Fultz. Neither look like they're ever going to develop any semblance of a jumper (other than Fultz in the corner on assisted shots).

I don't really know, it's a bad trade market right now. Teams that are entering their prime have a lot to be optimistic about. Even teams like Portland and Washington have pretty substantial longterm investments and feel they can compete in their conference. The only teams that might be looking to sell off assets to restart would be the Spurs (doubtful). Everyone else has already somewhat started the rebuild, or are hoping the Warriors slip up or get injured.

Porzingis would be a crazy consideration that could work, but I know how you feel about him. If Mike Conley didn't have 2 years left, he could have been an option to add some semblance of veteran leadership and not a longterm financial sinkhole. Obviously the Nuggets have their guards, but they won't come cheap. Tough situation. Luckily we have Elton Brand!

[Negrodamus]

I low key think Redick will be traded sometime in December to a team like the Lakers. LeBron will realize the err in his ways by surrounding himself with ball dominant player and will want to overcompensate with one of their young players not named Kuzma.

[Kobblehead]

Up to this point, the Lakers have had a tight grasp on their prospects. So what can we get for Redick? They'd probably try to sell us on a KCP swap, which wouldn't be a bad move (as long as KCP has his partying under control). I don't know. Maybe if we can get Moe Wagner in the deal and pawn off one of Colangelo's bigs.

[Negrodamus]

Up to this point, the Lakers have had a tight grasp on their prospects. So what can we get for Redick? They'd probably try to sell us on a KCP swap, which wouldn't be a bad move (as long as KCP has his partying under control). I don't know. Maybe if we can get Moe Wagner in the deal and pawn off one of Colangelo's bigs.

I believe Lonzo will be up for sale. He doesn't provide immediate help for us, but I think we could grab him. Redick is averaging 21 a game off the bench in a situation that can easily be replicable in LA. The longer they see their team is only constructed to beat garbage teams, like the Suns, the more interested they will be in a knockdown shooter. I'm not 100% certain that Brett is willing to part from Redick unless he comes with a solid piece. Magic has sold off D'Angelo for less.

[Kobblehead]

The work Lonzo put in on his shooting is actually materializing so far in the early going. Those guys were raving about his shot all offseason so either they were blowing smoke and are surprised right now or they're still really high on him. I think LeBron has warmed up to Lonzo, too. They're a really tough team to get a read on who they're willing to part with.

[jbent87]

This team definitely needs some kind of trade. Doubt Elton is ballsy enough to go sink or swim w Fultz by trading TJ but think that would be ideal. At least we would know if this kid can play and can find a spot on this team or is a relative bust as far as fit with Simmons/Embiid.

[Chris76]

This team definitely needs some kind of trade. Doubt Elton is ballsy enough to go sink or swim w Fultz by trading TJ but think that would be ideal. At least we would know if this kid can play and can find a spot on this team or is a relative bust as far as fit with Simmons/Embiid.

The Bucks played very well, Giannis, Lopez, Middleton, and others followed an excellent game plan.

Giannis quickly ran by Saric, Covington, and Muscala.

A forward that can defend Giannis, Blake, LeBron type players should be considered. Maybe Wilson Chandler or Simmons could provide better defense.

Saric, TJ, and Miami unprotected 2021 for Markanaan or young prospect?

[the_process]

SGA, Robinson, Thornwell, and a 2022 1st for Ben Simmons