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Re: OT. The Donald Trump (and Politics) Momentum Thread 

Post#2081 » by movingon » Fri Jul 15, 2016 8:47 pm




That was interesting. I've been to Aarhus and I can see how this could work in a wealthier, medium sized city. Not sure this model would scale to larger cities with poorer economic prospects. It's interesting to hear the backgrounds of kids who get sucked into extremism. It's not so different in some ways to getting sucked into gang life, for example.
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Post#2082 » by movingon » Fri Jul 15, 2016 8:52 pm



I'm not convinced a military coup would necessarily be a bad thing for Turkey.
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Post#2083 » by CoolKids » Fri Jul 15, 2016 8:58 pm

TrueWarrior wrote:
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You never explained why the video with the black teen was relevant


How is it not relevant?

We got guys in this thread calling black men/kids like him Uncle Toms, because they actually speak clearly, are educated, pull their pants up, and don't want to be on welfare. It's anti-intellectual attitudes like that that will continue to hold back the black community, and they do it to themselves. You can only be successful if you look/act a certain way in certain fields associating with certain people as a black person. You don't see this anywhere close to as much with any other culture in America. It's easier for blacks to blame whites while they collect food stamps, drop out of school, shoot each other, riot/loot, and run out on their kids. (Yes I know not all blacks are like this. Shutup.)

I'm not denying blacks have dealt with a lot of racism in this country, or that it's not very hard to pull yourself out of poverty, or pretending I know what it's like to be black, but it's about time they start holding themselves accountable no? What is whining about "institutional racism" doing exactly? Where is the evidence and what are they doing to fix it if it's there? Yelling "BLACK LIVES MATTER!" and being general asses interrupting events is accomplishing what? Black lives also apparently only matter when a white cop kills one of them.

We have had a black president for 8 years now and the black community seems to just be getting worse, with race relations being terrible, and Obama just fans the flames. Black communities have overwhelmingly voted democrat for the past 50 years, and even have many black leaders in public office/the police force (see Baltimore), but nothing is getting better.

Here are 5 facts about black on black violence:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/28/5-devastating-facts-black-black-crime/

The mainstream American media is, again, happily hitting the Black Lives Matter crack pipe in its pernicious pursuit of high ratings. These blood-lusting junkies were nowhere to be found when, with haunting predictability, Chicago news headline after headline detailed the carnage that has consumed dozens of communities in that city where black men kill each other with terrifying regularity.

Where were these Black Lives Matter protesters after the slaying of Chicago’s little Tyshawn Lee, the 9-year-old lured into an alley and shot to death by a black man seeking gang-related vengeance against his father?

Did little Tyshawn’s murder at the hands of a black gangster–an all too common occurrence in Chicago–not warrant wall-to-wall news coverage or Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson-style calls for “justice”?

No.

Why?

Because the ugly truth behind #BlackLivesMatter is that black people killing other black people does nothing to advance its political power in the same way that one white cop killing a black criminal can.

Despite the media’s overindulgence on white cops killing blacks, there is still a far-larger amount of black bodies being sent to morgues by black killers. Here’s five devastating facts, liberals can’t deny, that prove it.

FACT 1. Over 1,400 more black Americans murdered other blacks in two years than were lynched from 1882 to 1968.

According to FBI data, 4,906 black people murdered other blacks in 2010 and 2011. That is 1,460 more black Americans killed by other blacks in two years than were lynched from 1882 to 1968, according to the Tuskegee Institute.

FACT 2. Black People (mostly men) commit a grossly disproportionate amount of crime.

In 2012, white males were 38 percent of the population and committed 4,582 murders. That same year, black males were just 6.6 percent of the population but committed a staggering 5,531 murders.

In other words: black people–at just a fifth of the size–committed almost 1,000 more murders than their white counterparts.

The figures above highlight a horrific truth that black racialists and white liberals routinely ignore: Lawbreaking black Americans, young black males particularly, put themselves in close proximity to (mostly white male) police officers at rates sometimes five to 10 times higher than whites. This is a recipe for disaster. Thusly….

FACT 3. Despite making up just 13% of the population, blacks committed half of homicides in the United States for nearly 30 years.

DOJ statistics show that between 1980 and 2008, black people committed 52% of homicides.

In 2013, black criminals committed 38% of the murders. Whites accounted for just 31 percent.

There are five times fewer black people than white people in America and, yet, they consistently carry out a larger share of the crimes? Given this rate, it’s no wonder that there aren’t more assistances where cops kill black criminals.

FACT 4. Chicago’s death toll is almost equal to that of both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, combined.

There have been almost as many deaths in one American city as there have been in the two major wars carried out by the U.S. military this century.

Chicago’s death toll from 2001–November, 26 2015 stands at 7,401. The combined total deaths during Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003-2015: 4,815) and Operation Enduring Freedom/Afghanistan (2001-2015: 3,506), total 8,321.

FACT 5. It would take cops 40 years to kill as many black men as have died at the hands of others black men in 2012 alone.

University of Toledo criminologist Dr. Richard R. Johnson examined the latest crime data from the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports and Centers for Disease Control and found that an average of 4,472 black men were killed by other black men annually between Jan. 1, 2009, and Dec. 31, 2012.

Professor Johnson’s research further concluded that 112 black men died from both justified and unjustified police-involved killings annually during this same period.


What do you have to say about those facts? At what point is enough enough?

Meanwhile Asians and Indians actually make more money in this country than whites, so where's their "white privilege"? Why don't they get shamed? Could it be their culture? Hmmm.

Here's a couple more vids for the heck of it.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5D2RvIQwQE[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI9MCvK2MGs[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9ZRj_a_2qM[/youtube]

You know what I find very funny too? How so many posters in this thread are incredibly quick to paint all Trump supporters racist and all cops as murderous pigs out for black blood, yet will throw out the "NOT ALL MUSLIMS!" crap when it comes to Islam.

What a dumbass.... so much ignorance I literally don't even know where to begin
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump (and Politics) Momentum Thread 

Post#2084 » by Greenie » Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:07 pm

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Post#2085 » by reub » Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:14 pm

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I'm not convinced a military coup would necessarily be a bad thing for Turkey.


The coup is probably a good thing if it leads to a crackdown on radical jihadism in Turkey and the eradication of ISIS in their safe havens just across the border from them. As I said, the obliteration of this terrorist scourge from their nest in Syria is absolutely necessary as the first step to crush ISIS. Yes, war can be harsh but sometimes necessary if the alternative is the West becomes Beirut. Love, vigils and hashtags will never defeat this subhuman enemy.
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Post#2086 » by movingon » Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:36 pm

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movingon wrote:


I'm not convinced a military coup would necessarily be a bad thing for Turkey.


The coup is probably a good thing if it leads to a crackdown on radical jihadism in Turkey and the eradication of ISIS in their safe havens just across the border from them. As I said, the obliteration of this terrorist scourge from their nest in Syria is absolutely necessary as the first step to crush ISIS. Yes, war can be harsh but sometimes necessary if the alternative is the West becomes Beirut. Love, vigils and hashtags will never defeat this subhuman enemy.


Hmm, well, I had in mind that the coup would remove an autocrat who is, e.g., firing university faculty that even hint at criticizing him. I'm not sure what this would imply for the increasingly spiraling conflict with the Kurds, which just a couple of years ago looked like it was reaching a resolution. It's certainly the case that Erdogan turned a blind eye to IS in the early days. With the current state of affairs, I'm not sure the military will do any better at combating terrorism.
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Post#2087 » by reub » Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:41 pm

Hillary knows that she will lose unless she pretends to get tough on Islamic terrorism. She said some nonsense about a new surge last night. Why is she getting tough now? It might have something to do with her sinking poll numbers. Her days are numbered in politics hopefully.
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Post#2088 » by CharlesOakley » Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:44 pm

ClydeRules wrote:
movingon wrote:


I'm not convinced a military coup would necessarily be a bad thing for Turkey.


The coup is probably a good thing if it leads to a crackdown on radical jihadism in Turkey and the eradication of ISIS in their safe havens just across the border from them. As I said, the obliteration of this terrorist scourge from their nest in Syria is absolutely necessary as the first step to crush ISIS. Yes, war can be harsh but sometimes necessary if the alternative is the West becomes Beirut. Love, vigils and hashtags will never defeat this subhuman enemy.


Where have I heard this rhetoric before? Oh yeah, Nazi Germany: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untermensch The Rhetoric at the time was about a "holy war" and dehumanizing the enemy is a standard tactic that allows "cleanses" to become possible.

You have painted a world where the options are total annihilation or peace vigils. Perhaps there is a middle road? How do you obliterate an enemy you can't easily identify?

In this country, Blacks are routinely dehumanized. There are people that actively debate whether whites and blacks are the same species. As racial violence and tension increases in the US, these same ideas could be applied to black communities. "The obliteration of this radical black scourge from their nest in the ghetto is absolutely necessary." Police forces in this country are more and more resembling occupying military forces. We are already seeing tactical strikes, loss of even more economic opportunity for blacks, a proliferation of military-grade weapons etc.
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Post#2089 » by Greenie » Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:47 pm

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Post#2091 » by movingon » Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:16 pm

Supposedly the Tureky coup is lead by Gulen supporters. Not exactly a secular movement.
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Post#2092 » by spree8 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:40 am

TrueWarrior wrote:
CJackson wrote:
You never explained why the video with the black teen was relevant


How is it not relevant?

We got guys in this thread calling black men/kids like him Uncle Toms, because they actually speak clearly, are educated, pull their pants up, and don't want to be on welfare. It's anti-intellectual attitudes like that that will continue to hold back the black community, and they do it to themselves. You can only be successful if you look/act a certain way in certain fields associating with certain people as a black person. You don't see this anywhere close to as much with any other culture in America. It's easier for blacks to blame whites while they collect food stamps, drop out of school, shoot each other, riot/loot, and run out on their kids. (Yes I know not all blacks are like this. Shutup.)

I'm not denying blacks have dealt with a lot of racism in this country, or that it's not very hard to pull yourself out of poverty, or pretending I know what it's like to be black, but it's about time they start holding themselves accountable no? What is whining about "institutional racism" doing exactly? Where is the evidence and what are they doing to fix it if it's there? Yelling "BLACK LIVES MATTER!" and being general asses interrupting events is accomplishing what? Black lives also apparently only matter when a white cop kills one of them.

We have had a black president for 8 years now and the black community seems to just be getting worse, with race relations being terrible, and Obama just fans the flames. Black communities have overwhelmingly voted democrat for the past 50 years, and even have many black leaders in public office/the police force (see Baltimore), but nothing is getting better.

Here are 5 facts about black on black violence:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/28/5-devastating-facts-black-black-crime/

The mainstream American media is, again, happily hitting the Black Lives Matter crack pipe in its pernicious pursuit of high ratings. These blood-lusting junkies were nowhere to be found when, with haunting predictability, Chicago news headline after headline detailed the carnage that has consumed dozens of communities in that city where black men kill each other with terrifying regularity.

Where were these Black Lives Matter protesters after the slaying of Chicago’s little Tyshawn Lee, the 9-year-old lured into an alley and shot to death by a black man seeking gang-related vengeance against his father?

Did little Tyshawn’s murder at the hands of a black gangster–an all too common occurrence in Chicago–not warrant wall-to-wall news coverage or Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson-style calls for “justice”?

No.

Why?

Because the ugly truth behind #BlackLivesMatter is that black people killing other black people does nothing to advance its political power in the same way that one white cop killing a black criminal can.

Despite the media’s overindulgence on white cops killing blacks, there is still a far-larger amount of black bodies being sent to morgues by black killers. Here’s five devastating facts, liberals can’t deny, that prove it.

FACT 1. Over 1,400 more black Americans murdered other blacks in two years than were lynched from 1882 to 1968.

According to FBI data, 4,906 black people murdered other blacks in 2010 and 2011. That is 1,460 more black Americans killed by other blacks in two years than were lynched from 1882 to 1968, according to the Tuskegee Institute.

FACT 2. Black People (mostly men) commit a grossly disproportionate amount of crime.

In 2012, white males were 38 percent of the population and committed 4,582 murders. That same year, black males were just 6.6 percent of the population but committed a staggering 5,531 murders.

In other words: black people–at just a fifth of the size–committed almost 1,000 more murders than their white counterparts.

The figures above highlight a horrific truth that black racialists and white liberals routinely ignore: Lawbreaking black Americans, young black males particularly, put themselves in close proximity to (mostly white male) police officers at rates sometimes five to 10 times higher than whites. This is a recipe for disaster. Thusly….

FACT 3. Despite making up just 13% of the population, blacks committed half of homicides in the United States for nearly 30 years.

DOJ statistics show that between 1980 and 2008, black people committed 52% of homicides.

In 2013, black criminals committed 38% of the murders. Whites accounted for just 31 percent.

There are five times fewer black people than white people in America and, yet, they consistently carry out a larger share of the crimes? Given this rate, it’s no wonder that there aren’t more assistances where cops kill black criminals.

FACT 4. Chicago’s death toll is almost equal to that of both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, combined.

There have been almost as many deaths in one American city as there have been in the two major wars carried out by the U.S. military this century.

Chicago’s death toll from 2001–November, 26 2015 stands at 7,401. The combined total deaths during Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003-2015: 4,815) and Operation Enduring Freedom/Afghanistan (2001-2015: 3,506), total 8,321.

FACT 5. It would take cops 40 years to kill as many black men as have died at the hands of others black men in 2012 alone.

University of Toledo criminologist Dr. Richard R. Johnson examined the latest crime data from the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports and Centers for Disease Control and found that an average of 4,472 black men were killed by other black men annually between Jan. 1, 2009, and Dec. 31, 2012.

Professor Johnson’s research further concluded that 112 black men died from both justified and unjustified police-involved killings annually during this same period.


What do you have to say about those facts? At what point is enough enough?

Meanwhile Asians and Indians actually make more money in this country than whites, so where's their "white privilege"? Why don't they get shamed? Could it be their culture? Hmmm.

Here's a couple more vids for the heck of it.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5D2RvIQwQE[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI9MCvK2MGs[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9ZRj_a_2qM[/youtube]

You know what I find very funny too? How so many posters in this thread are incredibly quick to paint all Trump supporters racist and all cops as murderous pigs out for black blood, yet will throw out the "NOT ALL MUSLIMS!" crap when it comes to Islam.



Those statistics are a result of what happens when a socioeconomic system such as ours, works against the black (& Latino) community. Poverty stricken communities, lack of a quality education, difficulty getting jobs with livable wages, etc, are hard to overcome. When you factor in the toll it takes on people growing up in these conditions, it's no wonder that those are the results. Take into account the fact that some people have to resort to selling drugs just to put food in their kids mouths, and all the violence that can come as a result of just trying to survive and it paints a clearer picture. Then add to that the prison system that is insanely overpopulated with black men as a result of this vicious cycle.

Not every young black man grows up like Carlton Banks and has the same chances he did. When you grow up watching people being killed, people doing drugs because they are crushed by the system and have given up, neighborhoods that look like third world countries, single parents having to work 2-3 jobs to get by, coming up in a poor school system, and after school there's no affordable programs to keep kids off the street and avoid getting into trouble (like gangs for example), malnutrition because you can't afford healthy food options, can't get a job, pawn shops and liquor stores on every corner...so on and so on. It's wrong and it's sick.

If every person in the black community was given a million dollars to start out by their dad like Trump was, along with a proper education, and living conditions like him.. I'm sure the statistics would be much different.

We need to address the root of the problem tho, and a real war on poverty is a place to start. No matter what color you are, we are all human fuq'n beings, and everyone deserves an equal and fair shot in life.
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Post#2093 » by IllmaticHandler » Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:24 am

That Carlton Banks Example is lame.


I can easily show from that same show, why there is a downside to becoming him, FROM HIM. You become blind to reality... You forget who you are, and where you at.... An educated or privileged Blackman does not have to become Carlton Banks. There are 1,000's of brothers who don't become Carlton Banks. His own damn father in the show, did not become him. The age old saying, no matter how far you climb, you still just a .......



[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6XVWjorVwA[/youtube]
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Post#2094 » by captvict » Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:39 am

Back on topic what's your thoughts on Trumps vp Pence?
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Post#2095 » by movingon » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:23 pm

captvict wrote:Back on topic what's your thoughts on Trumps vp Pence?


Looks to me like Trump is courting the religious right. Maybe it will help him solidify Republican support, but will do nothing to grab swing voters. Doesn't look like a winning strategy.
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Post#2096 » by CJackson » Mon Jul 18, 2016 5:04 pm

More on the turd called Trump from the guy who wrote Art of the Deal

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/19/us/politics/trump-book-tony-schwartz.html?_r=0

Donald J. Trump has regularly boasted about “The Art of the Deal,” his best-selling autobiography, as a business bible that demonstrates the sharp negotiating prowess he would bring to the presidency. The book, released in 1987, details his rise to the top of New York’s real estate world; it helped spawn his career as a reality television star and cemented his image as a winner with a golden touch.

But Tony Schwartz, the book’s ghostwriter, who spent 18 months in the 1980s interviewing and shadowing Mr. Trump, says that it is really a work of fiction.

In an interview with The New Yorker magazine for its July 25 issue, Mr. Schwartz explained publicly, and for the first time, what he learned from living in Mr. Trump’s world. Here are some highlights.
The Art of Regret

Mr. Schwartz, a former magazine writer who said he worked on the book because he needed the money, told the writer Jane Mayer that he painted Mr. Trump in the most positive light that he could, thinking that a sympathetic character would be better for the book’s sales than a story about a cruel tycoon. If he could do it over again, however, Mr. Schwartz said the book would be titled “The Sociopath.”

“I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is,” Mr. Schwartz said. “I genuinely believe that if Trump wins and gets the nuclear codes, there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization.”
The Mind of Mr. Trump

“He’s a living black hole!” Mr. Schwartz said he used to tell his wife after long days with Mr. Trump. He described Mr. Trump as a painful interview subject who could not handle questions that required any depth to answer and who had little recollection of his youth. When pressed, Mr. Schwartz said, Mr. Trump would grow fidgety, angry and sometimes quit despite the fact that they were ostensibly working together on the book. He had no attention span, Mr. Schwartz said.

“If he had to be briefed on a crisis in the Situation Room, it’s impossible to imagine him paying attention over a long period of time,” Mr. Schwartz said of Mr. Trump’s inability to focus.

A Thirst for Attention

People often ask Mr. Trump why he is really running for president, and he has always responded by saying that he wants to make America great. Mr. Schwartz has a different theory, explaining the bid as part of a continuum of Mr. Trump’s need for attention. He recalled that as a young man, Mr. Trump was happy to receive publicity of any kind, luring the tabloids to chronicle his life. His turn as the host of “The Apprentice,” the NBC reality show, solidified him as a media star, and running for president was the next logical step, Mr. Schwartz said.

“If he could run for emperor of the world, he would,” Mr. Schwartz said.

A Kernel of Truth

Mr. Trump has driven many fact checkers to near madness in the last year, and Mr. Schwartz was not surprised. During the time he spent with Mr. Trump, he said, the businessman would regularly exaggerate or outright lie to get the upper hand.

“Lying is second nature to him,” Mr. Schwartz told The New Yorker. “More than anyone else I have ever met, Trump has the ability to convince himself that whatever he is saying at any given moment is true, or sort of true, or at least ought to be true.”

It was Mr. Schwartz who coined the phrase “truthful hyperbole,” referring to Mr. Trump’s notion of harmless lies, in “The Art of the Deal.” He said that Mr. Trump loved the phrase.

A Hands-Off Author

Many celebrities have ghost writers who do the bulk of the work on a book, but Mr. Schwartz said he was struck by how Mr. Trump took all of the credit but did practically none of the work. After reviewing the manuscript on which Mr. Schwartz had spent more than a year, Mr. Trump returned it with a few scribbles of a red marker, removing the names of some people he decided he did not want to criticize publicly.

Although Mr. Trump claims to be the author of the best business book of all time, Howard Kaminsky, the former head of Random House, which published “The Art of the Deal,” begged to differ.

“Trump didn’t write a postcard for us!” he told The New Yorker.

Mr. Trump pushed back against the accusation that he had little role in the production of the book, telling the magazine, “I wrote the book. It was my book.”

As for Mr. Schwartz, Mr. Trump called him and expressed disappointment at how disloyal he had been. “Have a nice life,” Mr. Trump said, according to Mr. Schwartz, before hanging up.
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Post#2097 » by CJackson » Mon Jul 18, 2016 5:22 pm

I stopped reading articles about the campaign so I had missed this, but wow Trump is one dumb sob.

I just read about how when he went on his trip to Scotland he congratulated the country on voting for Brexit and taking back their country like he was going to take back America. What a colossal dumbass this guy is. Scotland voted 2-1 against Brexit. What a fool.
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Post#2098 » by BKlutch » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:58 pm

Did you hear that Colbert crashed the RNC? He got up on stage impersonating a character from the Hunger Games. The whole time he mocked Trump.

As they took him off the stage, he said "I know I'm not supposed to be here, but neither is Donald Trump."

http://qz.com/734952/stephen-colbert-crashed-the-republican-national-convention-insulted-trump-and-got-escorted-off-stage/?utm_source=qzfb
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Post#2099 » by CJackson » Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:15 pm

BKlutch wrote:Did you hear that Colbert crashed the RNC? He got up on stage impersonating a character from the Hunger Games. The whole time he mocked Trump.

As they took him off the stage, he said "I know I'm not supposed to be here, but neither is Donald Trump."

http://qz.com/734952/stephen-colbert-crashed-the-republican-national-convention-insulted-trump-and-got-escorted-off-stage/?utm_source=qzfb


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Post#2100 » by AllanH20 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:59 pm

Rep. Steve King wonders what ‘sub-groups’ besides whites made contributions to civilization

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/18/rep-steve-king-wonders-what-sub-groups-besides-whites-made-contributions-to-civilization/

Utah delegate threatened in RNC bathroom

CLEVELAND - A Utah delegate was reportedly threatened inside a bathroom at Quicken Loans Arena during the Republican National Convention Monday.

According to NBC, Utah delegate Kera Birkeland was on the floor during the Rules vote as one of the delegates calling for a roll call vote.

Birkeland reportedly went to the women's restroom and when she emerged from a stall, a group of Trump supporters surrounded her and threatened to kill her, urging her to leave the party and the state.

http://www.wkyc.com/news/politics/rnc/utah-delegate-threatened-in-rnc-bathroom/276234308

The republicans no longer need to keep up the pretense, it's all coming out.

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