2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 3 - Trade season begins

[lilfishi22]

I would consider trading for DLo. It’s possible he may have his best years of basketball ahead of him (still just 26) and is a better bet to be good moving forward than FVV in my opinion. Obviously there’s the Booker buddy factor so he’d probably want to play here beyond this year. I wouldn’t give up anything of substantial value for him, maybe Cam Johnson or Chris Paul but certainly not Ayton or this years pick.

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I like DLo more than FVV but I also wonder how much his extension will be. He's in the last year of his extension and is already on $31m and I wonder if he'll accept much less ie $20-25m. I do agree he's more PGOTF than FVV who is turning 29 and likely already at his peak.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[lilfishi22]

Another thing that bothered me this week was Barkley's comment on Monday. When asked what was wrong with the Suns he said, they do not like each other. Wow. This was such a close knit group heading into the series against Dallas. What happened? That has been the $64 question that remains unanswered. There is a stink somewhere. I expect it is directly related to Crowder. What other reason would he just be told to stay home and away from the team?

It could be Ayton? - he just does not seem serious about his job
It could be Monty - Maybe he is not the connector I think he is
It could be CP3 - He is not known to be Mr friendly
It could be the whole ownership thing

What is it? Barkley convinced me that he knows what is wrong. He never mentioned all the injuries. He repeated that they do not like each other.

Barkley is making assumptions. They made other incorrect assumptions. I do think there may be something with Crowder. The team seems tight knit. There is a small possibility of animosity between Ayton and Bridges (which would be bad) because they are trying to carry the team and are getting frustrated and arguing some. But I think if that even is the case, that would pass when healthy. It shouldn't matter what CP3 thinks because he should be gone by the summer.

Yeah I don't buy Chuck's comment that they don't like each other. If anything, there's potentially cracks in the chemistry but that happens with literally every team that isn't winning. As we know, winning cures all.

[Saberestar]

Another thing that bothered me this week was Barkley's comment on Monday. When asked what was wrong with the Suns he said, they do not like each other. Wow. This was such a close knit group heading into the series against Dallas. What happened? That has been the $64 question that remains unanswered. There is a stink somewhere. I expect it is directly related to Crowder. What other reason would he just be told to stay home and away from the team?

It could be Ayton? - he just does not seem serious about his job
It could be Monty - Maybe he is not the connector I think he is
It could be CP3 - He is not known to be Mr friendly
It could be the whole ownership thing

What is it? Barkley convinced me that he knows what is wrong. He never mentioned all the injuries. He repeated that they do not like each other.

Barkley is making assumptions. They made other incorrect assumptions. I do think there may be something with Crowder. The team seems tight knit. There is a small possibility of animosity between Ayton and Bridges (which would be bad) because they are trying to carry the team and are getting frustrated and arguing some. But I think if that even is the case, that would pass when healthy. It shouldn't matter what CP3 thinks because he should be gone by the summer.

Not happening. He is under contract and we are lucky to have him.

[RaisingArizona]

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A real GM would be a nice touch

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[lilfishi22]

Another thing that bothered me this week was Barkley's comment on Monday. When asked what was wrong with the Suns he said, they do not like each other. Wow. This was such a close knit group heading into the series against Dallas. What happened? That has been the $64 question that remains unanswered. There is a stink somewhere. I expect it is directly related to Crowder. What other reason would he just be told to stay home and away from the team?

It could be Ayton? - he just does not seem serious about his job
It could be Monty - Maybe he is not the connector I think he is
It could be CP3 - He is not known to be Mr friendly
It could be the whole ownership thing

What is it? Barkley convinced me that he knows what is wrong. He never mentioned all the injuries. He repeated that they do not like each other.

Barkley is making assumptions. They made other incorrect assumptions. I do think there may be something with Crowder. The team seems tight knit. There is a small possibility of animosity between Ayton and Bridges (which would be bad) because they are trying to carry the team and are getting frustrated and arguing some. But I think if that even is the case, that would pass when healthy. It shouldn't matter what CP3 thinks because he should be gone by the summer.

Not happening. He is under contract and we are lucky to have him.

I'm fairly confident if there's a CP3 deal to be made, we'd do it. CP3's on court value isn't what it used to be and while he did have a decent stretch after he came back, his level of play can't just be starter level good. We need him to be all-NBA level good like he was the last couple of seasons. The guy as regressed significantly. His defense isn't what it used to be, he's not hitting his money middy's at close to the same clip he's used to and every year it's basically counting down to when his next injury is going to happen.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[dremill24]

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Thanks for sharing these man!
It's really crazy to see some of the stuff the nba talking media promotes though.....lol!

In looking at these trades I've come to the conclusion that either ESPN really hates the suns still or simply shouldn't be making trades as they're really stupid and don't think at all about the outcomes or reasoning to validate the trades they're promoting here.

Not one of these trades are remotely reasonable or beneficial for the suns. The suns front office would have to be severely drunk self hating nihilists to entertain these postulations.

Jesus man...is this really an appropriate reaction? Someone took the time to think these through and get them published. I wouldnt be a huge fan of most of them either but Suns hate and moves like these requiring nihilistic/intoxicated people to do? For someone who spends so much time rosterbating with trade ideas (many of which I'd say are more unrealistic than these), I would think your response to someone else's ideas might be at least a tad more respectful.

Sorry if my somewhat passionate opinion may have triggered your sense of moral superiority! But I do have a simple solution to your stress over this. Maybe just pass over my posts if they seem to trigger you so emotionally man.
BE WELL!!!

Wow...lol ok man

[bwgood77]

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So out of all those players, Caruso would be the untouchable one!
I kinda want him more now for some reason even though he looks like Jeff Bezos lovechild.................Lol.

Well I don't know who JCowley is but defenses is the Bulls problem and a core of LaVine, DeRozan and Vucevic, despite all being great offensive players, don't provide much for defense, and they all are paid a ton.

You have a backcourt of Ball and Caruso that's a darn good start for defense, especially considering the guard spots are the toughest ones to find solid defenders.

I don't see us trading with them unless our FO preferred Vuc to Ayton and did a swap. Vuc has a lot of various offensive skills.

I doubt that would be their goal though, even though he was an all star. He already makes $25 million.

[bwgood77]

Another thing that bothered me this week was Barkley's comment on Monday. When asked what was wrong with the Suns he said, they do not like each other. Wow. This was such a close knit group heading into the series against Dallas. What happened? That has been the $64 question that remains unanswered. There is a stink somewhere. I expect it is directly related to Crowder. What other reason would he just be told to stay home and away from the team?

It could be Ayton? - he just does not seem serious about his job
It could be Monty - Maybe he is not the connector I think he is
It could be CP3 - He is not known to be Mr friendly
It could be the whole ownership thing

What is it? Barkley convinced me that he knows what is wrong. He never mentioned all the injuries. He repeated that they do not like each other.

Barkley is making assumptions. They made other incorrect assumptions. I do think there may be something with Crowder. The team seems tight knit. There is a small possibility of animosity between Ayton and Bridges (which would be bad) because they are trying to carry the team and are getting frustrated and arguing some. But I think if that even is the case, that would pass when healthy. It shouldn't matter what CP3 thinks because he should be gone by the summer.

Not happening. He is under contract and we are lucky to have him.

Seems dumb to pay him $30 million. He can't stay healthy. He had a long injury and since then has been in and out. I know you always felt he could be healthy for years but he looks in decline and when that happens, it happens fast. His game hasn't been great outside of assists and a couple good 3pt shooting games.

[bwgood77]

Barkley is making assumptions. They made other incorrect assumptions. I do think there may be something with Crowder. The team seems tight knit. There is a small possibility of animosity between Ayton and Bridges (which would be bad) because they are trying to carry the team and are getting frustrated and arguing some. But I think if that even is the case, that would pass when healthy. It shouldn't matter what CP3 thinks because he should be gone by the summer.

Not happening. He is under contract and we are lucky to have him.

I'm fairly confident if there's a CP3 deal to be made, we'd do it. CP3's on court value isn't what it used to be and while he did have a decent stretch after he came back, his level of play can't just be starter level good. We need him to be all-NBA level good like he was the last couple of seasons. The guy as regressed significantly. His defense isn't what it used to be, he's not hitting his money middy's at close to the same clip he's used to and every year it's basically counting down to when his next injury is going to happen.

I know we have discussed the Lakers and Clips and GoK brought up Minnesota, and earlier a Paul for Murray trade with SA, but he has now played 26 out of 45 games this year and hasn't been particularly good. He also was out for a fairly long stretch at the end of last season (missed 17 out of final 24 games) and got manhandled in the last 5 games of the Mavs series.

On top of that, he makes $30 million. No one will want to pay him $30 million next season and especially not $15 to not play. The only second scenario is if a team was getting massive cap relief, like unloading a long term hefty salary they wanted to get out of...but it wouldn't be a great player or anything obviously.

When declines happen with older players, they happen fast.

This is the EXACT reason we set it up for next year not being guaranteed...if he started to drop off so much like this.

[bwgood77]

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Yeah, no KD is huge obviously. Hurts a ton...and then if Kyrie is out or even hampered a bit my injury, we should have a pretty good chance unless they shoot lights out.

[SunsRback4Good]

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Jesus man...is this really an appropriate reaction? Someone took the time to think these through and get them published. I wouldnt be a huge fan of most of them either but Suns hate and moves like these requiring nihilistic/intoxicated people to do? For someone who spends so much time rosterbating with trade ideas (many of which I'd say are more unrealistic than these), I would think your response to someone else's ideas might be at least a tad more respectful.

Sorry if my somewhat passionate opinion may have triggered your sense of moral superiority! But I do have a simple solution to your stress over this. Maybe just pass over my posts if they seem to trigger you so emotionally man.
BE WELL!!!

Wow...lol ok man

Don’t hurt my little GOK’s feelings he’s like a teddy bear on this site and deserves our utmost respect. His trade ideas keep us young and alive even if most of them are long. GOK as a Suns general manager would pick the right players for our team moving forward.

[Qwigglez]

Another thing that bothered me this week was Barkley's comment on Monday. When asked what was wrong with the Suns he said, they do not like each other. Wow. This was such a close knit group heading into the series against Dallas. What happened? That has been the $64 question that remains unanswered. There is a stink somewhere. I expect it is directly related to Crowder. What other reason would he just be told to stay home and away from the team?

It could be Ayton? - he just does not seem serious about his job
It could be Monty - Maybe he is not the connector I think he is
It could be CP3 - He is not known to be Mr friendly
It could be the whole ownership thing

What is it? Barkley convinced me that he knows what is wrong. He never mentioned all the injuries. He repeated that they do not like each other.

I think it's partly CP3. I think most players are only capable of listening to his constant yapping every single game. Booker doesn't mind because he wants to be great. I think it gets into Ayton's head though. I also think Monty is probably a good coach for wing players but not for Ayton. If you look at the style of play the Kings have orchestrated this year and why they are doing so well it's because of the two man game between Fox and Sabonis. I don't think Monty does a good job of effectively utilizing Ayton to the best of his ability.

[Ghost of Kleine]

https://heatnation.com/rumors/report-miami-heat-have-standing-offer-for-jae-crowder-which-likely-includes-caleb-martin/

Report: Miami Heat have ‘standing offer’ for Jae Crowder, which likely includes Caleb Martin

By Peter Dewey
Updated: January 18, 2023



The Miami Heat reportedly have a standing offer to the Phoenix Suns for forward Jae Crowder.

Crowder, who has not played all season for the Suns as the two sides try to find a trade, was a part of the Heat team that made the NBA Finals in the 2019-20 season. “They have a standing offer to the Suns, as I understand it,” one Eastern Conference executive told Heavy Sports. “Phoenix wants to bring things closer to the deadline, to see if someone gets desperate, to see if they could do better or get Miami to add a pick. The Heat are going to do something big, and adding Crowder is probably the starting point, like the least thing they would do.”

Crowder is an unrestricted free agent at the end of the 2022-23 season, so it would make sense if the Suns wanted to move off of him rather than losing him for nothing in free agency.

According to Heavy.com’s Sean Deveney, Miami made an offer to the Suns that was centered around Duncan Robinson, but the Suns rejected the deal.

“The Suns earlier rejected an offer of Robinson for Crowder, and that is not likely to have changed,” Deveney wrote. “[Caleb] Martin, then, would be the most likely candidate to head to Phoenix, and center Dewayne Dedmon could be added to make the salaries work and keep Miami under the luxury tax.”

It makes sense that the Heat would want to move Robinson, as his contract has become a bit of an issue for Miami since he’s fallen out of the starting lineup. The Heat reportedly have been trying to convince teams that the sharpshooter is an asset ahead of this season’s trade deadline.

Robinson is averaging just 6.9 points per game while shooting a career-worst 36.8 percent from the field and just 33.1 percent from beyond the arc this season. As for Crowder, he played a key role for the Suns in the 2021-22 season. Last season for Phoenix, Crowder averaged 9.4 points, 5.3 rebounds and 1.9 assists per game while shooting 39.9 percent from the field and 34.8 percent from beyond the arc.

So the standing deal for Crowder that the suns currently have IF NOTHING BETTER EMERGES is Crowder for Caleb Martin and Dwayne Dedmon? But they're waiting till closer to the deadline to see IF they get any better offers OR IF the heat might include a pick in the deal!

[garrick]

My question with this is what can Jae do that Martin can't do?

Caleb Martin seems to be an undersized PF that can shoot but isn't a high volume scorer? Is he unhappy in Miami?

https://heatnation.com/rumors/report-miami-heat-have-standing-offer-for-jae-crowder-which-likely-includes-caleb-martin/

Report: Miami Heat have ‘standing offer’ for Jae Crowder, which likely includes Caleb Martin

By Peter Dewey
Updated: January 18, 2023



The Miami Heat reportedly have a standing offer to the Phoenix Suns for forward Jae Crowder.

Crowder, who has not played all season for the Suns as the two sides try to find a trade, was a part of the Heat team that made the NBA Finals in the 2019-20 season. “They have a standing offer to the Suns, as I understand it,” one Eastern Conference executive told Heavy Sports. “Phoenix wants to bring things closer to the deadline, to see if someone gets desperate, to see if they could do better or get Miami to add a pick. The Heat are going to do something big, and adding Crowder is probably the starting point, like the least thing they would do.”

Crowder is an unrestricted free agent at the end of the 2022-23 season, so it would make sense if the Suns wanted to move off of him rather than losing him for nothing in free agency.

According to Heavy.com’s Sean Deveney, Miami made an offer to the Suns that was centered around Duncan Robinson, but the Suns rejected the deal.

“The Suns earlier rejected an offer of Robinson for Crowder, and that is not likely to have changed,” Deveney wrote. “[Caleb] Martin, then, would be the most likely candidate to head to Phoenix, and center Dewayne Dedmon could be added to make the salaries work and keep Miami under the luxury tax.”


It makes sense that the Heat would want to move Robinson, as his contract has become a bit of an issue for Miami since he’s fallen out of the starting lineup. The Heat reportedly have been trying to convince teams that the sharpshooter is an asset ahead of this season’s trade deadline.

Robinson is averaging just 6.9 points per game while shooting a career-worst 36.8 percent from the field and just 33.1 percent from beyond the arc this season. As for Crowder, he played a key role for the Suns in the 2021-22 season. Last season for Phoenix, Crowder averaged 9.4 points, 5.3 rebounds and 1.9 assists per game while shooting 39.9 percent from the field and 34.8 percent from beyond the arc.

So the standing deal for Crowder that the suns currently have IF NOTHING BETTER EMERGES is Crowder for Caleb Martin and Dwayne Dedmon? But they're waiting till closer to the deadline to see IF they get any better offers OR IF the heat might include a pick in the deal!

[KLEON]

Its nice that Cam is back. He can now get into basketball shape but at the same time I don't want him back until 1 of CP or Booker is back. Cam is now our number 1 offensive threat and I think he'll attract too much attention on offense and with him coming back from a major injury concerns me a bit.

[lilfishi22]

My question with this is what can Jae do that Martin can't do?

Caleb Martin seems to be an undersized PF that can shoot but isn't a high volume scorer? Is he unhappy in Miami?

https://heatnation.com/rumors/report-miami-heat-have-standing-offer-for-jae-crowder-which-likely-includes-caleb-martin/

Report: Miami Heat have ‘standing offer’ for Jae Crowder, which likely includes Caleb Martin

By Peter Dewey
Updated: January 18, 2023



The Miami Heat reportedly have a standing offer to the Phoenix Suns for forward Jae Crowder.

Crowder, who has not played all season for the Suns as the two sides try to find a trade, was a part of the Heat team that made the NBA Finals in the 2019-20 season. “They have a standing offer to the Suns, as I understand it,” one Eastern Conference executive told Heavy Sports. “Phoenix wants to bring things closer to the deadline, to see if someone gets desperate, to see if they could do better or get Miami to add a pick. The Heat are going to do something big, and adding Crowder is probably the starting point, like the least thing they would do.”

Crowder is an unrestricted free agent at the end of the 2022-23 season, so it would make sense if the Suns wanted to move off of him rather than losing him for nothing in free agency.

According to Heavy.com’s Sean Deveney, Miami made an offer to the Suns that was centered around Duncan Robinson, but the Suns rejected the deal.

“The Suns earlier rejected an offer of Robinson for Crowder, and that is not likely to have changed,” Deveney wrote. “[Caleb] Martin, then, would be the most likely candidate to head to Phoenix, and center Dewayne Dedmon could be added to make the salaries work and keep Miami under the luxury tax.”


It makes sense that the Heat would want to move Robinson, as his contract has become a bit of an issue for Miami since he’s fallen out of the starting lineup. The Heat reportedly have been trying to convince teams that the sharpshooter is an asset ahead of this season’s trade deadline.

Robinson is averaging just 6.9 points per game while shooting a career-worst 36.8 percent from the field and just 33.1 percent from beyond the arc this season. As for Crowder, he played a key role for the Suns in the 2021-22 season. Last season for Phoenix, Crowder averaged 9.4 points, 5.3 rebounds and 1.9 assists per game while shooting 39.9 percent from the field and 34.8 percent from beyond the arc.

So the standing deal for Crowder that the suns currently have IF NOTHING BETTER EMERGES is Crowder for Caleb Martin and Dwayne Dedmon? But they're waiting till closer to the deadline to see IF they get any better offers OR IF the heat might include a pick in the deal!

Pout and refuse to play

[dremill24]

Don’t hurt my little GOK’s feelings he’s like a teddy bear on this site and deserves our utmost respect. His trade ideas keep us young and alive even if most of them are long. GOK as a Suns general manager would pick the right players for our team moving forward.

GoK cant even grasp basic salary cap principles get outta here