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What should the Knicks approach be with Frank

Try to develop until prime years (~26) - essentially hold until it's 100% clear what he is
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30%
Hold and try to develop until the end of rookie contract
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Hold until season's end/middle of next season to make a decision
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9%
Look to trade him now for assets and/or a salary dump
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15%
Other
5
3%
 
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Re: Knicks plan on exploring trade scenes for Frank Ntilikina 

Post#2161 » by CharlesOakley » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:45 pm

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CharlesOakley wrote:Am I the only one who thinks the team has shut Frank down?

For what purpose?


Either they are done investing in him, want to free up time for DSJr. and Mudiay or they think his trade value will remain higher shutting him down than letting him play.

I see him as a casualty of Fizdale's offense. Fiz's offense begins with the ball handler going 1-on-1 to try and beat his man or pass to another player who goes 1-on-1 and tries to beat his man. Frank needs a system and Fiz believes in systemless basketball.
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Re: Knicks plan on exploring trade scenes for Frank Ntilikina 

Post#2162 » by DowNY » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:59 pm

Richard4444 wrote:It looks like that we have to keep Cap Holds to complete a 12 players roster before the beginning of Free Agency. If we dont have Players Cap Holds, we need to keep Minimun salary charges as Cap Holds.

So, we have to be charged with a adicional 2 MSCs before hit free agency to try signing 2 Max FAs (costs 70,8M).

Expenses that need to be deducted at the 109M Cap Space.
Noah,Lance: 7,5M
Frank,Knox,Dennis,Mitch: 15,5M
Dotson Team Option, 1,5
95,3M and 5 playes in the book
Cap Space Left: 13,7M for the rookie and more 6 players to complete the roster (or MRC).
Trier: 3,5M
MRC 5 players: 4,5M
Total 8M
Left for rookie Cap Hold: 5,7M (not enough for signing the 5 th pick).

So Its impossible to pick Trier Option if we dont shred any Cap Space.

This has been explained countless of times, especially in the trade thread.
Lance Thomas is getting waived for his partial guarantee.
Noah won’t be back, nor will they keep his cap hold.
In order to have 2max slots, it would depend on our position between 1-5 & picking up Dotson’s option.
Also, it depends if we’re trading any or all of Knox, DSJr & Frank.
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Re: Knicks plan on exploring trade scenes for Frank Ntilikina 

Post#2163 » by F N 11 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:22 pm

Im over this chit... Good luck frank im witcha.
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Re: Knicks plan on exploring trade scenes for Frank Ntilikina 

Post#2164 » by GONYK » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:46 pm

CharlesOakley wrote:
GONYK wrote:
CharlesOakley wrote:Am I the only one who thinks the team has shut Frank down?

For what purpose?


Either they are done investing in him, want to free up time for DSJr. and Mudiay or they think his trade value will remain higher shutting him down than letting him play.

I see him as a casualty of Fizdale's offense. Fiz's offense begins with the ball handler going 1-on-1 to try and beat his man or pass to another player who goes 1-on-1 and tries to beat his man. Frank needs a system and Fiz believes in systemless basketball.
If this is true, the only way it could really happen is that they have the medical staff lying to him about his condition, since he's still rehabbing, practicing, and traveling with the team.
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Re: Knicks plan on exploring trade scenes for Frank Ntilikina 

Post#2165 » by Richard4444 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:18 pm

DowNY wrote:
Richard4444 wrote:It looks like that we have to keep Cap Holds to complete a 12 players roster before the beginning of Free Agency. If we dont have Players Cap Holds, we need to keep Minimun salary charges as Cap Holds.

So, we have to be charged with a adicional 2 MSCs before hit free agency to try signing 2 Max FAs (costs 70,8M).

Expenses that need to be deducted at the 109M Cap Space.
Noah,Lance: 7,5M
Frank,Knox,Dennis,Mitch: 15,5M
Dotson Team Option, 1,5
95,3M and 5 playes in the book
Cap Space Left: 13,7M for the rookie and more 6 players to complete the roster (or MRC).
Trier: 3,5M
MRC 5 players: 4,5M
Total 8M
Left for rookie Cap Hold: 5,7M (not enough for signing the 5 th pick).

So Its impossible to pick Trier Option if we dont shred any Cap Space.

This has been explained countless of times, especially in the trade thread.
Lance Thomas is getting waived for his partial guarantee.
Noah won’t be back, nor will they keep his cap hold.
In order to have 2max slots, it would depend on our position between 1-5 & picking up Dotson’s option.
Also, it depends if we’re trading any or all of Knox, DSJr & Frank.


I didnt put LT or Vonley salary.

I have considered Joaquim Noah and Lance garanteed 1M Dead Cap Space of 7,5 M.

I have redone the math. And looks like we only will be able to keep Dotson and Trier if we pick 5.

Space avaliable (after picking Dotson, before FA period): 13,834M
Expenses
Rookie: 6,4M
Trier: 3.5M
Update 4 Incomplete Roster Holds: 3,6M
Total Needed to add Trier 13,5M
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Re: Knicks plan on exploring trade scenes for Frank Ntilikina 

Post#2166 » by Richard4444 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:29 pm

GONYK wrote:
CharlesOakley wrote:Am I the only one who thinks the team has shut Frank down?

For what purpose?


We may have a almost done deal to be signed in draft day envolving Frank and a late FRP. The deal may depend of the other teams exact pick position.

Frank is still a project. And we will probably be a win-now team next year. A trade could be great for both sides.

Besides, we are short of cap space to sign good cost-controled players like Trier, Dotson, Jenkins, Henry, Kornet. They can also be used as salary filler players in a trade for AD or Beal.

If we can trade Frank 4,9M salary for a less expensive project, we can have more Cap Space and more assets next year.
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Re: Knicks plan on exploring trade scenes for Frank Ntilikina 

Post#2167 » by Phish Tank » Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:32 pm

GONYK wrote:
CharlesOakley wrote:
GONYK wrote:For what purpose?


Either they are done investing in him, want to free up time for DSJr. and Mudiay or they think his trade value will remain higher shutting him down than letting him play.

I see him as a casualty of Fizdale's offense. Fiz's offense begins with the ball handler going 1-on-1 to try and beat his man or pass to another player who goes 1-on-1 and tries to beat his man. Frank needs a system and Fiz believes in systemless basketball.
If this is true, the only way it could really happen is that they have the medical staff lying to him about his condition, since he's still rehabbing, practicing, and traveling with the team.


which, you and I know, it isn't.

Perhaps the team doesn't want him to get another groin injury and since this season is not worth much anyways, there's no point rushing him back to please fans.
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Re: Knicks plan on exploring trade scenes for Frank Ntilikina 

Post#2168 » by K_ick_God » Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:35 pm

Frank fits. Stop with the New Offense garbage.

Fiz has done terribly. We only won yesterday by fluke and because of LeCorpse.
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Post#2174 » by Triple C » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:03 pm

Mike Miller will now develop him better than Fiz :D
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Post#2175 » by GONYK » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:06 pm

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Post#2177 » by Newyorknick94 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:26 pm

I don’t get the hate that Frank gets and the love that Mudiay gets doesn’t make sense
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Post#2178 » by 2010 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:08 pm

Newyorknick94 wrote:I don’t get the hate that Frank gets and the love that Mudiay gets doesn’t make sense



I don’t get the love that Frank gets and the hate that Mudiay gets doesn’t make sense.
Fixed.

Your quote is especially off-base considering Frank has a horde of supporters here where Mudiay is almost universally hated. I think I may be the lone wolf in support of Mudiay.
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Re: Knicks plan on exploring trade scenes for Frank Ntilikina 

Post#2179 » by Thugger HBC » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:13 pm

I don't think folks know what hate really means.

Here's an example.....

Player A has a good game, shows promise and flashes in certain areas. Most posters recognize that, and the folks that don't want to, don't post about it.


Player B has a good game, and damn near everyone still want that player to sit his ass down.


Which player is being hated?
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Post#2180 » by Galou » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:19 pm

Its over!
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