[Camelo Thread Part 16] - Denver wants what?! p58

[thisiskoz]

Going through the Melo chat here is what stands out:

- Melo's comments about yesterday are to get the Knicks moving and he has no interest in hanging around for a youth movement.

- Adding Melo would secure Donnie's job and put more pressure on D'Antoni because he has to make it work with two prolific scorers.
- Hahn doesn't believe Melo = extension for Walsh or vice-versa but he does think it has something to do with the non-extension.

- Hahn says Felton turns it on when he's mad but otherwise just coasts through games. Also mentions that he isn't a good enough shooter to be leading in FGA.

- Hahn says he thinks Donnie knows he is the "only horse in the race" so he isn't ready to just put all his pieces in the middle and bid against himself.

- Adding to Felton, he feels Felton will be a lot better when he has another consistant scorer so he doesn't need to think about scoring. He feels Felton is the key to the system as in Felton plays well and the team plays well and vice-versa.

- Hahn thinks Amare was calling out Chandler with his playing scared post game comments.

- Hahn feels that at the 11th hour if the Nuggets say add Gallo or Fields to the deal, Walsh will do it and get it done.

- Hahn says it's up to Melo to adjust to D'Antoni's system and if the Olympics are any indication he will be fine.

- Hahn says 90% Melo a knick by Feb 24th.

Adding more as I read through it... -Jitpal

thanks man... honestly the bold is what im most focused on right now... at least will melo on board it will either work... or dantoni will be gone... think thats my number one reason for wanting melo right now... though i still would only trade 2/3 or add a less then ideal contract as my final offer... but not both...

[god shammgod]

Going through the Melo chat here is what stands out:

- Melo's comments about yesterday are to get the Knicks moving and he has no interest in hanging around for a youth movement.

- Adding Melo would secure Donnie's job and put more pressure on D'Antoni because he has to make it work with two prolific scorers.

- Hahn doesn't believe Melo = extension for Walsh or vice-versa but he does think it has something to do with the non-extension.

- Hahn says Felton turns it on when he's mad but otherwise just coasts through games. Also mentions that he isn't a good enough shooter to be leading in FGA.

- Hahn says he thinks Donnie knows he is the "only horse in the race" so he isn't ready to just put all his pieces in the middle and bid against himself.

- Adding to Felton, he feels Felton will be a lot better when he has another consistant scorer so he doesn't need to think about scoring. He feels Felton is the key to the system as in Felton plays well and the team plays well and vice-versa.

- Hahn thinks Amare was calling out Chandler with his playing scared post game comments.

- Hahn feels that at the 11th hour if the Nuggets say add Gallo or Fields to the deal, Walsh will do it and get it done.

- Hahn says it's up to Melo to adjust to D'Antoni's system and if the Olympics are any indication he will be fine.

- Hahn says 90% Melo a knick by Feb 24th.

Adding more as I read through it... -Jitpal

thanks man

[NYman15]

That is good news Donnie deserves to finish what he started and I agree I tank felton would benefit the most from melo ge won't be relied upon to score as much so he'll be much more efficient and get more assists and just be relied up to just control the game

[BBALLER4FR]

Going through the Melo chat here is what stands out:

- Melo's comments about yesterday are to get the Knicks moving and he has no interest in hanging around for a youth movement.

- Adding Melo would secure Donnie's job and put more pressure on D'Antoni because he has to make it work with two prolific scorers.

- Hahn doesn't believe Melo = extension for Walsh or vice-versa but he does think it has something to do with the non-extension.

- Hahn says Felton turns it on when he's mad but otherwise just coasts through games. Also mentions that he isn't a good enough shooter to be leading in FGA.

- Hahn says he thinks Donnie knows he is the "only horse in the race" so he isn't ready to just put all his pieces in the middle and bid against himself.

- Adding to Felton, he feels Felton will be a lot better when he has another consistant scorer so he doesn't need to think about scoring. He feels Felton is the key to the system as in Felton plays well and the team plays well and vice-versa.

- Hahn thinks Amare was calling out Chandler with his playing scared post game comments.

- Hahn feels that at the 11th hour if the Nuggets say add Gallo or Fields to the deal, Walsh will do it and get it done.

- Hahn says it's up to Melo to adjust to D'Antoni's system and if the Olympics are any indication he will be fine.

- Hahn says 90% Melo a knick by Feb 24th.

Adding more as I read through it... -Jitpal

Just as I was saying. Chandler is sand bagging because he doesn't want to be traded and I believe the players are not happy with him because it's hurting the "here and now". There were certain portions of the game it looked like the other players didn't want to acknowledge Chandler was on the floor. For instance there was a point in time when Gallo was shooting FT's, he sank the first one and even though Wilson stepped into the lane and extended his hand for a low five Gallo never gave it. Now maybe Gallo didn't recognize Chandler but normally Gallo (and most players in the NBA) always extend both hands forward and back after a FT for the pound. In this case Chandler entered the lane extended his hand and never got a glance.

[magnumt]

Going through the Melo chat here is what stands out:

- Melo's comments about yesterday are to get the Knicks moving and he has no interest in hanging around for a youth movement.

- Adding Melo would secure Donnie's job and put more pressure on D'Antoni because he has to make it work with two prolific scorers.

- Hahn doesn't believe Melo = extension for Walsh or vice-versa but he does think it has something to do with the non-extension.

- Hahn says Felton turns it on when he's mad but otherwise just coasts through games. Also mentions that he isn't a good enough shooter to be leading in FGA.

- Hahn says he thinks Donnie knows he is the "only horse in the race" so he isn't ready to just put all his pieces in the middle and bid against himself.

- Adding to Felton, he feels Felton will be a lot better when he has another consistant scorer so he doesn't need to think about scoring. He feels Felton is the key to the system as in Felton plays well and the team plays well and vice-versa.

- Hahn thinks Amare was calling out Chandler with his playing scared post game comments.

- Hahn feels that at the 11th hour if the Nuggets say add Gallo or Fields to the deal, Walsh will do it and get it done.

- Hahn says it's up to Melo to adjust to D'Antoni's system and if the Olympics are any indication he will be fine.

- Hahn says 90% Melo a knick by Feb 24th.

Adding more as I read through it... -Jitpal

- Hahn says Knicks inquired on Aaron Brooks but Rockets said he wasn't available. His sources say Brooks is available and the Rockets are playing hard to get. Marc Gasol won't be traded. Stephen Curry only available if they get blown away. Hahn doesn't think Granger gets moved despite rumors to the contrary. He says a lot of teams are reluctant to talk or put assets on the table because they want to be involved as the 3rd team in a Melo deal.

- Suggests the Knicks position could be weaker because of the recent losing streak.

- Hahn thinks Gallo is the player added to the deal to get the Melo deal done at the deadline.

- Hahn says the interior defense isn't awful, it's the guards that get owned leading to switches and screens for easy buckets. Hahn says if the guards keep their man in front of them, the interior defense will look a lot better. Also says that when the Knicks want to be, they can be a good rebounding team but it requires a team effort. On both points he mentions effort is the key but they don't do that all game every game.

- Hahn doesn't think the Lakers-Nuggets Bynum/Melo swap deal is real at all because it was denied very quickly.

- Hahn says the Knicks need a backup PG.

- Hahn says he thinks even without Melo the team makes the playoffs because Chandler starts to play again and the east is weak but Amare will be exhausted come playoff time. Meaning it's a first round exit.

- Hahn doesn't think Artest fits this squad but he would have liked him a few years ago.

- Hahn says Chandler looks like he is affected by trade talk.

- Coaching staff loves Jefferies and without his current contract he would be a good fit for the Knicks.

- If Melo is not available in the summer, he think the team goes after Tyson Chandler, DeAndre Jordan and Marc Gasol. He expects that all will remain with their current team however. He wonders if Crawford would be a good fit to backup PG and SG.

- Doesn't see OJ Mayo being an option for the Knicks.

- He thinks the Knicks could offer a contract to Nene in the off season but Nene looks to want to head to south beach.

- Hahn says Denver management understands that multiple first round draft picks for this year isn't great because of the weak talent but it's a selling point to fans at the press conference.

- Hahn thinks if the Nuggets called the Nets about a Melo deal they would be interested.

- He thinks Fields can be an important contributing member of a championship team because he is smart, prepared and works hard.

- Someone asked about D'Antoni's job security with or without Melo. Hahn somewhat dodged and said there will always be pressure and it comes with the territory.

- Hahn says the Knicks need a knock down 3 point shooter from the SG and an athletic big man to be successful with a Felton/Melo/Amare core. He thinks Mozgov can become the big man but he isn't sure if Fields will be that guy at the 2 but he does admit Fields does other things that are helpful. He says you can assess how the team does with Felton running the show or make a change once Williams and Paul are available.

- Hahn says in the first half Felton looked great and part of the future but now he is going through a Duhon like "swoon" and questions his long term future. He says Billups could run the offense and hit the outside shot. Knicks would lose toughness and defense. He says the Knicks don't want to give up Felton in a Melo deal but if Billups is coming back, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

- Hahn says Melo or no Melo there will be a trade. Expect Randolph to go and for Curry to be traded for a piece that can help now.

- Doesn't think Love would be part of a Melo deal with the T-Wolves being the 3rd team. Hasn't heard Rubio's name in a while.

- Hahn wouldn't mind Harrington back because he can score and be effective off the bench. He doesn't think his contract is that bad but it would severely hurt your chances at getting Paul or Williams.

- Hahn thinks Mozgov is more valuable than Fields because he is a 7-1 mobile, athletic center.

Thats the entire chat, I skipped some questions because they were useless. I paraphrased because I'm not copying it all. Nothing we didn't know. Enjoy. -Jitpal

Thanks for the great recap Jitpal.

--Mags

[I_Love_NYK]

Knicks are going to have to take on salary to get this deal done. Would Chris Andersen be available? He has 4 years left on his contract.

I would take on a bad contract (Andersen/Harrington) to get the deal done. The reason is because Stern himself wants a clause in the new CBA that doesn't kill teams for an Eddy Curry type signing mistake. Stern realizes that under the old CBA rules a team was hamstrung for years if they made a mistake signing a player who then proved untradeable. So in the next CBA there will likely be some formula or tag that a club can put on a bad contract that allows them to recover and overcome a bad contract.

I agree I would take on Al or Birdamn to get Melo.

They both have MLE type contracts, they can be moved for something else if need be.

Denver would rather keep Melo and risk the chance of him walking than be raped on a Melo deal by the Knicks.

If this propsed 3-way deal goes down in the Feb 24th deadline it will be more one-sided than the Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown trade in which Marc Gasol actually became a decent player. Ronny Turiaf on the last year of his deal, it would be easy to swap him with Birdman who has 3 years left.

[magnumt]

Going through the Melo chat here is what stands out:

- Melo's comments about yesterday are to get the Knicks moving and he has no interest in hanging around for a youth movement.

- Adding Melo would secure Donnie's job and put more pressure on D'Antoni because he has to make it work with two prolific scorers.

- Hahn doesn't believe Melo = extension for Walsh or vice-versa but he does think it has something to do with the non-extension.

- Hahn says Felton turns it on when he's mad but otherwise just coasts through games. Also mentions that he isn't a good enough shooter to be leading in FGA.

- Hahn says he thinks Donnie knows he is the "only horse in the race" so he isn't ready to just put all his pieces in the middle and bid against himself.

- Adding to Felton, he feels Felton will be a lot better when he has another consistant scorer so he doesn't need to think about scoring. He feels Felton is the key to the system as in Felton plays well and the team plays well and vice-versa.

- Hahn thinks Amare was calling out Chandler with his playing scared post game comments.

- Hahn feels that at the 11th hour if the Nuggets say add Gallo or Fields to the deal, Walsh will do it and get it done.

- Hahn says it's up to Melo to adjust to D'Antoni's system and if the Olympics are any indication he will be fine.

- Hahn says 90% Melo a knick by Feb 24th.

Adding more as I read through it... -Jitpal

- Hahn says Knicks inquired on Aaron Brooks but Rockets said he wasn't available. His sources say Brooks is available and the Rockets are playing hard to get. Marc Gasol won't be traded. Stephen Curry only available if they get blown away. Hahn doesn't think Granger gets moved despite rumors to the contrary. He says a lot of teams are reluctant to talk or put assets on the table because they want to be involved as the 3rd team in a Melo deal.

- Suggests the Knicks position could be weaker because of the recent losing streak.

- Hahn thinks Gallo is the player added to the deal to get the Melo deal done at the deadline.

- Hahn says the interior defense isn't awful, it's the guards that get owned leading to switches and screens for easy buckets. Hahn says if the guards keep their man in front of them, the interior defense will look a lot better. Also says that when the Knicks want to be, they can be a good rebounding team but it requires a team effort. On both points he mentions effort is the key but they don't do that all game every game.

- Hahn doesn't think the Lakers-Nuggets Bynum/Melo swap deal is real at all because it was denied very quickly.

- Hahn says the Knicks need a backup PG.

- Hahn says he thinks even without Melo the team makes the playoffs because Chandler starts to play again and the east is weak but Amare will be exhausted come playoff time. Meaning it's a first round exit.

- Hahn doesn't think Artest fits this squad but he would have liked him a few years ago.

- Hahn says Chandler looks like he is affected by trade talk.

- Coaching staff loves Jefferies and without his current contract he would be a good fit for the Knicks.

- If Melo is not available in the summer, he think the team goes after Tyson Chandler, DeAndre Jordan and Marc Gasol. He expects that all will remain with their current team however. He wonders if Crawford would be a good fit to backup PG and SG.

- Doesn't see OJ Mayo being an option for the Knicks.

- He thinks the Knicks could offer a contract to Nene in the off season but Nene looks to want to head to south beach.

- Hahn says Denver management understands that multiple first round draft picks for this year isn't great because of the weak talent but it's a selling point to fans at the press conference.

- Hahn thinks if the Nuggets called the Nets about a Melo deal they would be interested.

- He thinks Fields can be an important contributing member of a championship team because he is smart, prepared and works hard.

- Someone asked about D'Antoni's job security with or without Melo. Hahn somewhat dodged and said there will always be pressure and it comes with the territory.

- Hahn says the Knicks need a knock down 3 point shooter from the SG and an athletic big man to be successful with a Felton/Melo/Amare core. He thinks Mozgov can become the big man but he isn't sure if Fields will be that guy at the 2 but he does admit Fields does other things that are helpful. He says you can assess how the team does with Felton running the show or make a change once Williams and Paul are available.

- Hahn says in the first half Felton looked great and part of the future but now he is going through a Duhon like "swoon" and questions his long term future. He says Billups could run the offense and hit the outside shot. Knicks would lose toughness and defense. He says the Knicks don't want to give up Felton in a Melo deal but if Billups is coming back, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

- Hahn says Melo or no Melo there will be a trade. Expect Randolph to go and for Curry to be traded for a piece that can help now.

- Doesn't think Love would be part of a Melo deal with the T-Wolves being the 3rd team. Hasn't heard Rubio's name in a while.

- Hahn wouldn't mind Harrington back because he can score and be effective off the bench. He doesn't think his contract is that bad but it would severely hurt your chances at getting Paul or Williams.

- Hahn thinks Mozgov is more valuable than Fields because he is a 7-1 mobile, athletic center.

Thats the entire chat, I skipped some questions because they were useless. I paraphrased because I'm not copying it all. Nothing we didn't know. Enjoy. -Jitpal

Thanks for the great recap Jitpal.

--Mags

[moocow007]

That is good news Donnie deserves to finish what he started and I agree I tank felton would benefit the most from melo ge won't be relied upon to score as much so he'll be much more efficient and get more assists and just be relied up to just control the game

Not just Felton but everyone else. Adding Melo pushes everyone else (even Amare) done a slot in terms of offensive pressure. Melo is a better all around offensive player than Stoudemire so having him draw attention will help less the scenarios where Amare has to dribble into traffic to get a shot up (something that has an almost direct correlation to the Knicks wins and losses). Stoudemire gets less attention which improves the looks he gets. Gallinari, likewise, will likely see a lot more open shots (basically his hearts desire) since teams will be focusing on Melo and Amare. Mozgov should be able to rocket up the leagues leaders in putbacks since, no one is going to be paying any attention whatsoever to him. Guys like Melo and Amare make their teammates better not because they get them the ball themselves but because they make life easier for everyone else. That's why Lebron is a perrennial MVP candidate, not just because he passes the ball or he defends, but because he makes everyone else's job easier (see essentially the same Cleveland cast with him and without him).

[Jitpal]

I updated the original Hahn chat post with more stuff. -Jitpal

[dadanyk]

i don't know if this scenario can go down but

can the knicks trade for paul this yr & land melo in july?

just asking

[Gregory151]

And incase you guys didnt know. LALA is in town for a couple of days and she was on Power 105.1 With the Breakfast Club this morning. They Talked Carmelo.
http://www.power1051fm.com/pages/onair/breakfast-club/?uri=channels/449330/1181870

can someone recap... im at work and cant listen

they were messing around with her saying that its up to her and she needs to come back home.. They were asking her if she was here to house shop which she denied.. they were telling her there are nice homes in jersey and good schools incase they dont find anything in the city.. she said shes here for fashion week and for some meetings & if that time comes she'll be sure to ask them all the things she needs to ask.. it was alot of laughs alot of jokes.. she said 'we'll see, the trade deadline is coming up real so we'll have an answer really soon'.. then they joked and said thanks for the inside scoop and she said "i dont have the inside scoop, thats the problem, we just gotta see, time will tell'.. & thats it.. it wasnt a full interview they just called her to see whats up & tell her to come up to the studio while shes in NY.

[moocow007]

i don't know if this scenario can go down but

can the knicks trade for paul this yr & land melo in july?

just asking

Theoretically possible. A lot would depend on the cap. And NY would essentially have to clear out their current roster and follow the Heat's ragtag patchwork players from 4 through 15 on the new 'Big 3' roster.

[I_Love_NYK]

i don't know if this scenario can go down but

can the knicks trade for paul this yr & land melo in july?

just asking

New Orleans will not trade Chris Paul this year same as Utah with Deron Williams. Both guards are still under contract for next year, and are qualifying for the playoffs this year. Even though New Orleans has been struggling a little bit, it is mainly due to Emeka Okafor being out and not having a true center to play without him.

[handchecks]

i don't know if this scenario can go down but

can the knicks trade for paul this yr & land melo in july?

just asking

Even if it they figured out a way for the salaries to work out, I can't imagine any package that NO would take back in return from the knicks at this moment that would make them give up cp3 this season. Despite his knees, he's still been leading that team to a .600 record for most of this season.

[Fat Kat]

I updated the original Hahn chat post with more stuff. -Jitpal

Thanks. Appreciate it bro.

[Demyze]

Alan Hahn on Melo being a Knicks by Feb 24th.

Alan:
I've said 90 percent for a while now, so I'm sticking to it.

This gives some upside as Knicks fans, Alan is prob one of the best sports reporters in new york, i hope hes right.

[nykfan70]

Thanks for the update, Jitpal, nice work!

Only 14 Days Until
The 2011 NBA Trade Deadline

[duetta]

- Melo's comments about yesterday are to get the Knicks moving and he has no interest in hanging around for a youth movement.

So now this clown wants to be a GM? I'd tell him to take a hike.

[moocow007]

I would say that if they have to include Gallinari that NY gets back JR Smith and Denver can aslo can forget about getting the 2014 Knick 1st rounder. Smith can be the 6th man (which will be vacated if they deal both Chandler and Gallinari, plays defense, shoot's 3's, plays uptempo, etc. Was watching a telecast and one of the announcers said that there were a lot of scouts who believed that talent wise JR Smith is one of the elite SG's in the conference (i.e. talent isn't what's holding him back).

[god shammgod]

- Coaching staff loves Jefferies and without his current contract he would be a good fit for the Knicks.

i called this. may god have mercy on our souls.

- If Melo is not available in the summer, he think the team goes after Tyson Chandler, DeAndre Jordan and Marc Gasol. He expects that all will remain with their current team however. He wonders if Crawford would be a good fit to backup PG and SG.

and this may be the proof i needed to finally know that there is no god. if this happens, screw you god.