The Javale McGee Appreciation thread - part deux

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Looks like Vale just got traded with NY for NENE

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Wow, Nene makes $13M a season.

It is impossible unless Andray Blatche went with them. If this is true, Ernie Grunfeld is a BIGGER DAMNED IDIOT THAN I THOUGHT

What a dope. He goes and finds the one guy who misses more games than Bogut.

Now the good news is the player I knew he should have drafted, Kenneth Faried, has now run Nene out of town. I posted in Denver's thread or some blog that it was just a matter of time before Nene was traded.

[Wizards2Lottery]

He was an entertaining player. I hold no malice towards him.

So long Pierre.

[Halcyon]

He's an enigma, that's for sure. Hopefully he figures out how to be a consistent player on a winning team, because I just don't see him doing the little things it takes to win.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The Wizards are stupider than Javale.

I am happy for him. He deserved better. I think he will go on to have a much better career now.

[Bickerstaff]

And I'm not suggesting to trade him for a guy like...I don't know...Andris Biedrins who is just as bad...

Uh...

Anyway, moot point now. Congratulations!

[Induveca]

Good riddance. Talented but sick of watching stupid players on our team.

We now have a serviceable center with a brain at the very least.

Had to expect something after McGee mentioned 14M.

[dandrews]

Good riddance indeed. We finally get a center that is actually good at defense, not just good at blocking shots.

The Wizards have all kinds of money to spend. We all know the they can't draft so they need to actually spend it.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Good riddance indeed. We finally get a center that is actually good at defense, not just good at blocking shots.

The Wizards have all kinds of money to spend. We all know the they can't draft so they need to actually spend it.

Did I miss something, or didn't the Wizards just tie up all kinds of money on Nene?

[Illuminaire]

Essentially, we didn't change our cap situation. By moving Young and Mcgee, we basically flipped ~15 million in salaries (an educated guess at their combined cost) for 13 million. Add in a vet minimum fill in, and we're still in the green.

[queridiculo]

Umm hardly. Young and McGee don't come anywhere near to matching Nene's contract.

You're forgetting Turiaf's expiring contract. Considering that all 3 outgoing players had expiring contracts, the Wizards offseason move basically amounts to signing Nene as a free agent to a $13 million a year deal.

If that would have been our move this upcoming summer, I wouldn't be happy with it.

[queridiculo]

Wish McGee all the best. Intriguing prospect, but that's part of the problem.

After 4 years I would have hoped for more progress, specifically at the defensive end.

One thing to consider.. if ownership was seriously entertaining replacing Grunfeld, would they have let him make that move?

The way I see it you would want your new guy to evaluate the situation objectively and without prejudice.

This trade reeks of Grunfeld being back next year and many years to follow, with a shiny new extension no less.


UGGHHHH!

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Umm hardly. Young and McGee don't come anywhere near to matching Nene's contract.

You're forgetting Turiaf's expiring contract. Considering that all 3 outgoing players had expiring contracts, the Wizards offseason move basically amounts to signing Nene as a free agent to a $13 million a year deal.

If that would have been our move this upcoming summer, I wouldn't be happy with it.

True. I did forget about Turiaf.

Honestly, Turiaf was producing well. Paying Nene four times as much makes no sense on a bad team. I like Turiaf on a one-year deal way better than Nene. Geez, the Wizards should have just kept tanking.

The only reason to make this move is this is the FA they targeted long-range. The fact that Denver couldn't wait to trade him after they extended him should be revealing. Sacramento refused in exchange for a player some say is a team cancer. To say this guy takes the place of Nick and Javale assumes the Wizards couldn't just draft somebody better than Nick and pay them rookie wage. I would bet my car on Will Barton being better. Good thing I don't bet, though. Also, this move is a long-range move that should have been done AFTER they get a real coach.

Nene's pretty good when he's right. But is he right? And even at his best, this is a David Lee-money deal, that is more money than Kevin Love signed for.

It's absurd IMO.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Wish McGee all the best. Intriguing prospect, but that's part of the problem.

After 4 years I would have hoped for more progress, specifically at the defensive end.

One thing to consider.. if ownership was seriously entertaining replacing Grunfeld, would they have let him make that move?

The way I see it you would want your new guy to evaluate the situation objectively and without prejudice.

This trade reeks of Grunfeld being back next year and many years to follow, with a shiny new extension no less.


UGGHHHH!

[youngthegiant]

sorry to disappoint you guys but nene is pretty bad defensively. There will be some nights where he will try but he is just pretty lazy defensively and not a good rebounder either. good luck though, both our teams are going to need it.

[Illuminaire]

Umm hardly. Young and McGee don't come anywhere near to matching Nene's contract.

You're forgetting Turiaf's expiring contract. Considering that all 3 outgoing players had expiring contracts, the Wizards offseason move basically amounts to signing Nene as a free agent to a $13 million a year deal.

If that would have been our move this upcoming summer, I wouldn't be happy with it.

What math are you using, kid? Young was going to cost 4-5 million, and he definitely wanted more than that so he might have gone elsewhere. Let's pretend he did and we brought in some scrub at 2-3 million a year. Cheap.

McGee cost us 2.5 million this year... but next year he was going to cost a LOT more. You seem to be ignoring this. As our starting center, McGee was going to cost somewhere between 9 and 13 million himself. Let's go ahead and pretend he gets the Deandre Jordan contract, which is almost certainly what he's going to consider his baseline.

I'm not going to count Turiaf because he's an end of the bench scrub, talent wise. You fill those a minimum salary.

At the end of the day we can really just look at McGee versus Nene, where we elected to pay somewhere between 0 and 4 million dollars a year more for a more complete, but older player. Taking the most reasonable assumptions, we're losing 2 million in cap space. If we do add in the expected cost of Young versus a random fill in shooter, we just about break even.

Regardless, we did NOT lose a ton of cap space here. We traded a guy who was gonna cost a bundle for another guy who already did. It's essentially neutral.

[queridiculo]

What math are you using, kid? Young was going to cost 4-5 million, and he definitely wanted more than that so he might have gone elsewhere. Let's pretend he did and we brought in some scrub at 2-3 million a year. Cheap.

Your statement was that we didn't change our cap situation. That's what I responded to, no more no less.

We lost $13 million in cap space with this transaction. That's pretty straight forward math.

[Dat2U]

What math are you using, kid? Young was going to cost 4-5 million, and he definitely wanted more than that so he might have gone elsewhere. Let's pretend he did and we brought in some scrub at 2-3 million a year. Cheap.

Who cares about Young? I don't think dealing him is what's at issue here.

Young would have cost nothing because he was not getting kept under any circumstances.

Bottom line, threw away a huge chunk of our future financial flexibility to acquire Nene.

[Illuminaire]

Hermitkid,

You act as if we could have fielded a team without spending money at the center position. Your argument continues to make no sense at all. We only lost 13 million in a total vacuum that ignores the important and unavoidable context that we needed a center, and we had to pay SOMEONE to play it.

[Illuminaire]

Dat,

I think the financial flexibility loss is overstated. If we'd inked McGee to a deal it would have been almost the same thing. Moreover, we only have two seasons before Wall goes from a bargain to a max player, and that pretty much eats up all remaining cap room regardless of what we did now. Since Nene doesn't hurt us over the next two years (unless 1-3 million dollars becomes really important), he doesn't really hurt our long term flexibility.

Edit: I'll grant that he's not as moveable as a reasonably priced McGee would be, and that does go into the flexibility argument.

[Rafael122]

Our financial stuff is fine I would think, bring Nate in here. Prada on Twitter was going off the $58 million cap, but that's going to increase anyway. I'm guessing we're gonna have around $13 million to play with this offseason.