2013 NFL Pre-Draft Thread

[Bucksfans1and2]

Even if you are right there will still be a team that thinks he will be a star player. There will be some team who missed out on a QB they were looking for and wants to turn their team around.......that team will either take him too early or trade up too many picks.

Taking a player to hold another team hostage, especially a player who isn't at all special like Barkley, is a recipe for screwing yourself over.

Why would any team think he's going to be a star player? They all have the same tape and see a not very accurate, weak armed, USC QB. He's not going to be starring in any GM's wet dreams.

[wichmae]

If youre going to let MM groom someone it should be Geno. Much better prospect than Barkley but I doubt he lasts to where we pick. Just go the TT way and take BPA (this is a decent safety class so maybe there).

eta: I would be happy with either top TE too.

[eagle13]

Worthy being out sucks. Might shift the attention towards DLine which I think is the strength of this draft.

What 5-technique DE do you like that may be around for us?
What 3-technique pass rushing DT do you like that may be around for us?

[RiotPunch]

Worthy being out sucks. Might shift the attention towards DLine which I think is the strength of this draft.

What 5-technique DE do you like that may be around for us?
What 3-technique pass rushing DT do you like that may be around for us?

DE Sharrif Floyd (late 1st to mid 2nd window)
DE Sylvester Williams (mid 2nd to early 3rd window)

Late rounders I like are:
NT Brandon Williams (late 3rd to late 4th window)
DE William Gholston (mid 3rd to mid 4th window)
DE Chris Jones (mid 5th to mid 6th window)

[Profound23]

Even if you are right there will still be a team that thinks he will be a star player. There will be some team who missed out on a QB they were looking for and wants to turn their team around.......that team will either take him too early or trade up too many picks.

Taking a player to hold another team hostage, especially a player who isn't at all special like Barkley, is a recipe for screwing yourself over.

Why would any team think he's going to be a star player? They all have the same tape and see a not very accurate, weak armed, USC QB. He's not going to be starring in any GM's wet dreams.

I couldn't disagree more.

I mean yeah obviously if another player you want falls to you, you take him. However if my projections are correct and the players I would want don't fall then I look to trade down. Hypothetically speaking, if Barkley or another QB (Geno) falls to us I guarantee there is a team that will be stupid and trade up way too much in order to get him. This is a QB league, young QBs are more NFL ready these days, and there will be some coach who believes (correctly or not) that he can make Barkley an star in the NFL. This is an easy equation for success. Find a bad team that wants to trade up out of the second, giving up a future first and another late round pick. The Pats do it every year and anyone can see they end up with at least another first rounder every year because of it and create a domino effect.

I know of quite a few weak armed inaccurate QB's from USC who they had a lot of tape on including Leinart and Sanchez....both of this QBs teams did everything possible to get them and I bet if nothing else because of the hype and late rookie QB success some team (all it takes is one) either takes him in the top 10 or trades up way too much in order to get him.

I don't think it is worth discussing because my feeling is that both QBs will be drafted way too early.

[Bucksfans1and2]

Worthy being out sucks. Might shift the attention towards DLine which I think is the strength of this draft.

What 5-technique DE do you like that may be around for us?
What 3-technique pass rushing DT do you like that may be around for us?

DE Sharrif Floyd (late 1st to mid 2nd window)
DE Sylvester Williams (mid 2nd to early 3rd window)

Late rounders I like are:
NT Brandon Williams (late 3rd to late 4th window)
DE William Gholston (mid 3rd to mid 4th window)
DE Chris Jones (mid 5th to mid 6th window)

Pretty much this. Kawann Short is a name that interests me a lot.

[Bucksfans1and2]

Even if you are right there will still be a team that thinks he will be a star player. There will be some team who missed out on a QB they were looking for and wants to turn their team around.......that team will either take him too early or trade up too many picks.

Taking a player to hold another team hostage, especially a player who isn't at all special like Barkley, is a recipe for screwing yourself over.

Why would any team think he's going to be a star player? They all have the same tape and see a not very accurate, weak armed, USC QB. He's not going to be starring in any GM's wet dreams.

I couldn't disagree more.

I mean yeah obviously if another player you want falls to you, you take him. However if my projections are correct and the players I would want don't fall then I look to trade down. Hypothetically speaking, if Barkley or another QB (Geno) falls to us I guarantee there is a team that will be stupid and trade up way too much in order to get him. This is a QB league, young QBs are more NFL ready these days, and there will be some coach who believes (correctly or not) that he can make Barkley an star in the NFL. This is an easy equation for success. Find a bad team that wants to trade up out of the second, giving up a future first and another late round pick. The Pats do it every year and anyone can see they end up with at least another first rounder every year because of it and create a domino effect.

I know of quite a few weak armed inaccurate QB's from USC who they had a lot of tape on including Leinart and Sanchez....both of this QBs teams did everything possible to get them and I bet if nothing else because of the hype and late rookie QB success some team (all it takes is one) either takes him in the top 10 or trades up way too much in order to get him.

I don't think it is worth discussing because my feeling is that both QBs will be drafted way too early.

If they want that QB they can trade back for the pick.

Taking the QB to hold a team hostage is a recipe for screwing yourself over. Same reason we had no leverage with Flynn. Teams say, "Fine, keep him, not a waste of a pick for us,"

[ReasonablySober]

If the Packers are on the clock and their phone isn't ringing off the hook, it's safe to say that there's no one there worth holding for hostage.

[RiotPunch]

I still want Ziggy Ansah in the 1st pretty much more than any other player.

[ReasonablySober]

I'd be good with that but I can't see any way he makes it to us without a big trade up. I personally like Alec Ogletree quite a bit but he's in the same boat. We'd need to move up.

[RiotPunch]

I'd be good with that but I can't see any way he makes it to us without a big trade up. I personally like Alec Ogletree quite a bit but he's in the same boat. We'd need to move up.

You're probably right about Ansah, but you never know. Ogletree is less of a sure thing to go earlier than our pick, IMO, at least by going off of various mocks I've seen. Some like him as a top-25 prospect, but others see him as more of a 2nd round prospect.

There's a better chance of him falling than Ansah, and I'd be thrilled with him. That guy has his best football ahead of him for sure, he's just starting to figure it out.

[ReasonablySober]

I think Ogletree is going to be the darling of the combine. The guy's not only a physical freak, but he's also productive. He reminds of Daryl Washington.

[Profound23]

Maybe I didn't communicate this as well as I should have. My point is IF one of the two QBs fall to us, there will be a lot of teams looking to trade up in order to get him. For instance, I don't see AZ using their high pick on Geno or Barkley, so maybe they draft Joeckel or Te'o.

Then they watch as Barkley is falling down the board and realize if he falls to the second round, we won't get him thanks to JAX, OAK, Philly, KC.....or whomever else. IF the player(s) Ted wants is gone then you have to listen to trade offers. My guess is by that time though Belichek will have already made such a move because he pulls it off at least once per year.

I just love the possibility of landing a future #1 from a bad team that will trade away their future for a QB or other skilled position. Teams like Oakland, Carolina, and others give away draft picks for practically nothing and we never cash in on the opportunity. Last year I really wanted either Harrison Smith or Doug Martin and figured if you weren't going to take Doug Martin then get a trade from a team that is in love with him.

Watch the Pats and how they do it. They trade down and acquire a 3rd round pick. They then trade that 3rd for a future 2nd..........then the next year they trade that 2nd to a bad team for a future 1st. Next thing you know you have a top 5 pick. This draft is really weak and if Ted can do something like this it would benefit the Packers a great deal.

[ReasonablySober]

Well sure, if a team wants their QB of the future (or anyone) and they're willing to give up next year's #1 then trade back. I just wouldn't take that player and hold him for ransom.

[El Duderino]

Well sure, if a team wants their QB of the future (or anyone) and they're willing to give up next year's #1 then trade back. I just wouldn't take that player and hold him for ransom.

Ted has said multiple times that he doesn't care for the premise of trading your pick for a first rounder next year because it's to hard to know where that pick would end up being in the next draft, thus hard to get a clear gauge on value.

[RiotPunch]

My point is IF one of the two QBs fall to us, there will be a lot of teams looking to trade up in order to get him.

Geno Smith and/or Tyler Wilson?

[Bucksfans1and2]

Ansah's a guy that's damn intriguing, but it's hard to get a read on the guy because of how BYU is dicking him around in terms of the position he's playing.

Ogletree's another WILB like Bishop, Smith, and Jones. He's going to go top 20 though and I don't want to trade up for that position.

I think Minter and Ogletree will go before Te'o, which could place Te'o in our laps. Not sure how I feel about that.

[emunney]

Well, I for one would be psyched to get Te'o. I realize he's not as good as his highlights, but I think he could become that good with guidance and growth.

[whatthe_buck!?]

As far as te'o, does his championship performance change anything potentially? If he ends up falling to our pick at the end of the 1st, is everybody good with taking him?

[Bucksfans1and2]

As far as te'o, does his championship performance change anything potentially? If he ends up falling to our pick at the end of the 1st, is everybody good with taking him?

Why would this make his stock fall? He's played this way all year.

He's always had problems getting off blocks. He's always been a mediocre at best tackler.