Offers for Gasol?

[Leto]

I'd rather have Howard and 1 max slot because it a lot less likely you'll be able to fill 2 than one. And as of now, the likelihood of filling one isn't very good anyways.

[LApwnd]

I'd rather have Howard and 1 max slot because it a lot less likely you'll be able to fill 2 than one. And as of now, the likelihood of filling one isn't very good anyways.

wow, really? Not only talking LA here but its the Lakers, so we're not even likely to fiill in 1?

[JES12]

I guess I disagree.

If a team is taking on Gasol to try to get themselves ring, why would they put more weight into two rings that would then be three and four years old, than the plantar fasciitis from three months ago?

And while the $19.7 mil isn't a longterm commitment, it's a pretty large amount of money up front, and is certainly a big chunk of a team's payroll. In any regard, in today's NBA economics, $19.7 mil is overpaying for whatever his 2013-14 expected production is.

I tend to agree with you, shrink. And that $19.7 mil represents 34% of the cap, so I highly doubt a cap room team would be interested in Gasol. Maybe they could get something like Bierdens and David Lee if the Warriors wanted to dump Lee. But these teams like Cavaliers, Washington, Dallas, etc. are teams that I just don't see being interested in Pau.

[Leto]

I'd rather have Howard and 1 max slot because it a lot less likely you'll be able to fill 2 than one. And as of now, the likelihood of filling one isn't very good anyways.

wow, really? Not only talking LA here but its the Lakers, so we're not even likely to fiill in 1?

You already have one and he's thinking of leaving. We're "not only talking LA here but its the Lakers" and the max FA they have is thinking of leaving! Which is why you'll have two spots open to begin with.

Yes, which one do you think you're going to get? Because its highly unlikely any of those players I listed will be available.

[LApwnd]

I'd rather have Howard and 1 max slot because it a lot less likely you'll be able to fill 2 than one. And as of now, the likelihood of filling one isn't very good anyways.

wow, really? Not only talking LA here but its the Lakers, so we're not even likely to fiill in 1?

You already have one and he's thinking of leaving. We're "not only talking LA here but its the Lakers" and the max FA they have is thinking of leaving! Which is why you'll have two spots open to begin with.

Yes, which one do you think you're going to get? Because its highly unlikely any of those players I listed will be available.

I dont know who they'll get, as if Howard leaving is gona tarnish our track record or something? I swear you sound jaded cause all Chi got out of their money was an overpaid Boozer. I mean the way you're making it out to sound as if why even bother trying you not gona get nothing....makes me wonder what you were thinking during that Lebron, Wade, Bosh sweepstakes, did you think Chi shouldn't have even bothered "trying" to get anyone of those 3?

[Leto]

Howard leaving is going to make it more difficult to attract FA's. Damn. What is so freakin hard about understanding that? Howard is the enticement to come.

The 2010 FA class was MUCH different because he already said he was going to test free agency and was, in fact, going to be a free agent and so were a bunch of other players.

No, I am not mad about anything. I like my Bulls squad and I think we can beat Miami next season if we stay healthy--WITH BOOZER.

[LApwnd]

Howard leaving is going to make it more difficult to attract FA's. Damn. What is so freakin hard about understanding that? Howard is the enticement to come.

The 2010 FA class was MUCH different because he already said he was going to test free agency and was, in fact, going to be a free agent and so were a bunch of other players.

No, I am not mad about anything. I like my Bulls squad and I think we can beat Miami next season if we stay healthy--WITH BOOZER.

again thats your assumption.....we've never had a problem attracting big name FA and Howard leaving wouldn't change any of that regardles of his appeal, w/o him 2 max slot and a 8-10mill slot could do alot and worse comes to worse save the cap room and wait till a disgruntled star player wants out

[Leto]

You're just flat out wrong if you think Howard leaving won't have any impact on an FA's decision. Your "assumption" that it won't defies logic.

[LApwnd]

You're just flat out wrong if you think Howard leaving won't have any impact on an FA's decision. Your "assumption" that it won't defies logic.

you talking bout a team who traded away Shaq who was still somewhat a dominant force in the league, you'd think with the trades we've made over the years would stop guys like you from saving LA will NEVER do this or THAT again.

[Leto]

You're just flat out wrong if you think Howard leaving won't have any impact on an FA's decision. Your "assumption" that it won't defies logic.

you talking bout a team who traded away Shaq who was still somewhat a dominant force in the league, you'd think with the trades we've made over the years would stop guys like you from saving LA will NEVER do this or THAT again.

No. Im not "talking about a team who traded away Shaq." here's what I said: "You're just flat out wrong if you think Howard leaving won't have any impact on an FA's decision." That has zero to do with Shaq or any trades the Lakers have made.

[LApwnd]

You're just flat out wrong if you think Howard leaving won't have any impact on an FA's decision. Your "assumption" that it won't defies logic.

you talking bout a team who traded away Shaq who was still somewhat a dominant force in the league, you'd think with the trades we've made over the years would stop guys like you from saving LA will NEVER do this or THAT again.

No. Im not "talking about a team who traded away Shaq." here's what I said: "You're just flat out wrong if you think Howard leaving won't have any impact on an FA's decision." That has zero to do with Shaq or any trades the Lakers have made.

Howard wanted out of Orl too, does that mean they shouldn't bother trying to sign a MAX guy with the money they have?

[Leto]

^ Why do you keep trying to change the subject? The subject is NOT whether the Lakers traded Shaq or whether ORL should try to get max FAs. The subject is if Howard leaves it will be HARDER to attract max FAs. Again, why is that so difficult to understand?

[LApwnd]

^ Why do you keep trying to change the subject? The subject is NOT whether the Lakers traded Shaq or whether ORL should try to get max FAs. The subject is if Howard leaves it will be HARDER to attract max FAs. Again, why is that so difficult to understand?

its hard because you apparently dont seem to understand either as to what a team could do with nearly 50mill to spend w/o Howard but apparently to you Howard is the end all and be all of a player that he'll cleary destory our chances @ signing any player of signifagance. I wonder if Rose ever demanded a trade and got one, if you'd be as hopeless on your bulls attracting FA as you seem to want the rest of us laker fans to feel if we lose howard?

[SCourGe OF GoD]

Howard leaving is going to make it more difficult to attract FA's. Damn. What is so freakin hard about understanding that? Howard is the enticement to come.

The 2010 FA class was MUCH different because he already said he was going to test free agency and was, in fact, going to be a free agent and so were a bunch of other players.

No, I am not mad about anything. I like my Bulls squad and I think we can beat Miami next season if we stay healthy--WITH BOOZER.

again thats your assumption.....we've never had a problem attracting big name FA and Howard leaving wouldn't change any of that regardles of his appeal, w/o him 2 max slot and a 8-10mill slot could do alot and worse comes to worse save the cap room and wait till a disgruntled star player wants out

Theres no pro to Howard leaving only cons. Yes we'd have like 3 max slots but realistically Howard is the 2nd best player in the open market for FA anyways behind Lebron. The Heat needed to have Wade in place already when they made their big 3..if he wasnt no way they sell all 3 of them on just the market alone without one of them already there.

[LApwnd]

Howard leaving is going to make it more difficult to attract FA's. Damn. What is so freakin hard about understanding that? Howard is the enticement to come.

The 2010 FA class was MUCH different because he already said he was going to test free agency and was, in fact, going to be a free agent and so were a bunch of other players.

No, I am not mad about anything. I like my Bulls squad and I think we can beat Miami next season if we stay healthy--WITH BOOZER.

again thats your assumption.....we've never had a problem attracting big name FA and Howard leaving wouldn't change any of that regardles of his appeal, w/o him 2 max slot and a 8-10mill slot could do alot and worse comes to worse save the cap room and wait till a disgruntled star player wants out

Theres no pro to Howard leaving only cons. Yes we'd have like 3 max slots but realistically Howard is the 2nd best player in the open market for FA anyways behind Lebron. The Heat needed to have Wade in place already when they made their big 3..if he wasnt no way they sell all 3 of them on just the market alone without one of them already there.

I disagree, Howard doesn't just kill our chances as Leto is making it out to be. Any star player would love to start fresh on a big market team like the lakers. Basically do almost what the BIG 3 did in Mia and join forces but I dont expect that to happen. If Howard leaves, trades will be made to get ball rolling now vs. waiting for FA, might not be to our liking at 1st ala Shaq trade but it'll get there, losing Howard is NOT the end of the Laker franchise.

[Leto]

^ That's not what "Leto is making it out to be." That's what you're making it out to be because I never said anything remotely related to your hyperbolic misrepresentation of what I wrote.

[LApwnd]

^ That's not what "Leto is making it out to be." That's what you're making it out to be because I never said anything remotely related to your hyperbolic misrepresentation of what I wrote.

you repeatley used unlikely for either scenario with or without Howard to sign a FA, that to me sounds like "why bother trying" cause its not gona happen........UNLIKELY vs. more DIFFICULT are entirely 2 different scenarios, now if you said more difficult w/o Howard I can agree, but unlikely? hah

[Leto]

I repeatedly use unlikely for the 7 players the article mentions because it IS unlikely those players will be available. It is highly unlikely you're going to get Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Carmelo, ZBo, Iggy or Rudy Gay. Freakin get over it.

That is a far cry from saying "losing Howard is the end of the Lakers franchise." And, you still haven't said who you think you're going to get. AND, losing Howard will SEVERLY discourage other FAs from wanting sign there. Period.

[LApwnd]

I repeatedly use unlikely for the 7 players the article mentions because it IS unlikely those players will be available. It is highly unlikely you're going to get Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Carmelo, ZBo, Iggy or Rudy Gay. Freakin get over it.

That is a far cry from saying "losing Howard is the end of the Lakers franchise." And, you still haven't said who you think you're going to get. AND, losing Howard will SEVERLY discourage other FAs from wanting sign there. Period.

dude I'm not the dam GM, how the F should I know who they're targeting? Do you know who your GM is going after after every off-season?

[shagadelic45]

cleveland for a couple second rounders seems the best offer