BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani

Never Wrong · Post #221 » by **Never Wrong** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:44 pm

Knicksfan20 wrote:With Amare and Bargani we should have 41 games with a healthy PF between the two if them.

Silly to put them in the same boat. Nobody's in the same situation as Amare.

god shammgod · Post #222 » by **god shammgod** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:44 pm

Brooklyn_Yards wrote:I think it's the 2016 pick where Denver ha the right to swap.

yep

Knox · Post #223 » by **Knox** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:44 pm

I have openly ripped Bargs but I have to hope for the best. If he can shoot still Bargs can spread the floor.

Tron Carter · Post #224 » by **Tron Carter** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:44 pm

god shammgod wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:I'll wait to endorse the trade when I see it. But the player that Bargs is, as a second option, I endorse if healthy ... Much better than JR if he's right.

this has nothing to do with jr though

it always does

cgmw · Post #225 » by **cgmw** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:44 pm

kNicksGmen wrote:people need to realize novak and camby are both bad contracts at this point and bargs is better than them both. the people saying they should be giving us picks are insane. it would be straight up rape if it was just a player for player deal. knicks throwing in a couple picks makes it more fair.

i'm not happy to give up any picks, but we're in a position where we need to take risks just like the nets did. we're not mortgaging our future either like the nets did.

So many things wrong here.

1) Camby's contract isn't bad. It's non-guaranteed next year, meaning it's basically an expiring. It has value.

2) Giving up a first is the definition of mortgaging the future. Especially when we still owe future firsts from previous trades.

3) Last but certainly not least, ANDREA BARGNANI DOES NOT MAKE THE KNICKS A CONTENDER. Why give up an expiring plus a future first (read: assets) for an underachieving highly-paid player who cannot under any possible circumstances help us win a championship?

blueNorange · Post #226 » by **blueNorange** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:45 pm

I like it

Post #227 » by **Brooklyn_Yards** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:45 pm

shmeakone wrote:2016?

Do we have a pick in 2015? Don't the Nuggets have the right to switch?

We have our 2015 and 2016 (den has right to swap)

ezmoney707 · Post #228 » by **ezmoney707** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:45 pm

IBNINCARCERATED
**BREAKING NBA NEWS**Source: After #Raptors deal goes through Knicks are trading #Chandler --- #Warriors are the team that's rumored #IBN

10:11 p.m. Sun, Jun 30

Drun53 · Post #229 » by **Drun53** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:45 pm

We can still find toughness for minimum deals or something elsewhere. It's not like this is the final roster. Hopefully, Tyson actually plays like his old self next year.

Giving up the first rounder absolutely sucks, but at least saving money in 2015 is SOME consolation. A "good" Bargnani that can provide some floor-spacing and score, along with saving a decent amount of money in 2015 will hopefully be worth a first-rounder.

This is the best I can do to rationalize this deal. I will probably troll Bargnani again sometime soon.

Post #230 » by **K_ick_God** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:45 pm

god shammgod wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:I'll wait to endorse the trade when I see it. But the player that Bargs is, as a second option, I endorse if healthy ... Much better than JR if he's right.

this has nothing to do with jr though

It does because you don't have to rely on him as the second scorer.

sogood · Post #231 » by **sogood** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:45 pm

Bargnani loves to shoot 3 pointers, too bad he sucks at em.

Last 2 seasons.

2011-12: .296

2012-13: .309

Average 3 rebounds a game this past season for a 7 FOOTER.

kNicksGmen · Post #232 » by **kNicksGmen** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:45 pm

nassah1o wrote:It looks like a panic deal to me. I like Bargnani. I don't mind having him on our team only if we get rid of Amare and keep our first rounder.

If this deal goes happen, then Amare's, Melo's, Chandler's and Bargnani's contracts will come off the books in 2015. o_O

omg the trade would be horrible if amare was included. i was completely against the idea of swapping amare for bargs. there is no reason to do it since it does not improve the cap situation and amare is a far better player than bargs when healthy. bargs for novak and camby is a steal. throwing in a couple picks makes if a fair deal.

Tron Carter · Post #233 » by **Tron Carter** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:45 pm

ezmoney707 wrote:IBNINCARCERATED
**BREAKING NBA NEWS**Source: After #Raptors deal goes through Knicks are trading #Chandler --- #Warriors are the team that's rumored #IBN

10:11 p.m. Sun, Jun 30

jstarks10 · Post #234 » by **jstarks10** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:46 pm

kNicksGmen wrote:people need to realize novak and camby are both bad contracts at this point and bargs is better than them both. the people saying they should be giving us picks are insane. it would be straight up rape if it was just a player for player deal. knicks throwing in a couple picks makes it more fair.

i'm not happy to give up any picks, but we're in a position where we need to take risks just like the nets did. we're not mortgaging our future either like the nets did.

tell me...how is barf's contract better than camby's and novak's? Because of the extra 3.5 mil in his last yr? We are still using up more cap space by taking barf's contract for the next 2 years...and this deal is going to confirm that we are not a top 5 team in the east....in fact, i wouldn't be surprised if we miss the playoffs next season.

blueNorange · Post #235 » by **blueNorange** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:46 pm

Knicks trade a guy who barely played and a guy who everyone bashed all season long for a guy who was miserable in Toronto

HSOB SIRHC · Post #236 » by **HSOB SIRHC** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:46 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:just to inject a tad of non-panic conversation:

Bargs is a very very good three point shooting big
Bargs is an ok rebounder and shot blocker when in position
Bargs isnt a bad passer
Bargs isnt terrible making a shot fake and drive

I only inject these notes because hes done it to us as a craptor tons of times
perhaps he can be slightly more useful to us than Camby on the bench and Novak nowhere to be found

hell, his D and rebounding arent as bad as novak. thats something

Honestly, his man to man defense is very good. His help defense on the other hand... forget about it.

Post #237 » by **j127** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:46 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:just to inject a tad of non-panic conversation:

Bargs is a very very good three point shooting big
Bargs is an ok rebounder and shot blocker when in position
Bargs isnt a bad passer
Bargs isnt terrible making a shot fake and drive

I only inject these notes because hes done it to us as a craptor tons of times
perhaps he can be slightly more useful to us than Camby on the bench and Novak nowhere to be found

hell, his D and rebounding arent as bad as novak. thats something

Bargnani will definitely be better in NY than he was in Toronto the last couple of years (barring injury, of course). If he's healthy, I think he'll be a great option for the Knicks on the offence. If this deal goes down, hopefully someone in the coaching staff can motivate him.

I think it's a win-win deal for both teams.

GoNYK1288 · Post #238 » by **GoNYK1288** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:46 pm

BeemerFrenzy wrote:RealGM Knicks board is soooo dumb... You rather have Novak and Camby playing in your rotation than Bargnani?

Who cares about draft picks that range between 25-30. Did all the picks we picked over the few years pan out? Come on chill...

yup. It's really not that bad of a deal. It sucks that we have to give up a pick, especially since it will be during our (hopefully) rebuilding period. RealGM Knicks like to act like the sky is falling after every major deal we pull off.

god shammgod · Post #239 » by **god shammgod** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:46 pm

The Knicks will also send two future second-round picks to Toronto, sources said.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--sources--knicks-trade-for-raptors--andrea-bargnani--toronto-gets-steve-novak--marcus-camby-and-draft-picks-223847584.html

JBreezeNY · Post #240 » by **JBreezeNY** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:46 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:just to inject a tad of non-panic conversation:

Bargs is a very very good three point shooting big
Bargs is an ok rebounder and shot blocker when in position
Bargs isnt a bad passer
Bargs isnt terrible making a shot fake and drive

I only inject these notes because hes done it to us as a craptor tons of times
perhaps he can be slightly more useful to us than Camby on the bench and Novak nowhere to be found

hell, his D and rebounding arent as bad as novak. thats something

Excuse me?