2016 NBA Draft

Post #221 » by **og15** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:18 am

Both mocks now have us taking Brice Johnson at #25, was there something about the Clippers really wanting him that I missed?

Brice Johnson kind of reminds me of Shawn Marion with how he shoots (without the funny release, but the set up for his shot) and how he moves, I don't know why. For some reason it is making me feel like he should be converted into a SF, this is from no other knowledge except for him reminding me of Shawn Marion btw, so there's no real reasoning behind this. He moves like him, almost exactly, like a clone, has that second jump and he even does some of those little floaters in the lane that Marion does, it's kinda weird watching him.

Post #222 » by **QRich3** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:43 am

TucsonClip wrote:Defensively is where I do have some worries. Although, Romar isnt exactly known for having stifling defenses, nor demanding them. He has the wingspan and the athleticism and the hope is that the right organization can sell on him earning playing time early in his career by working on his defense.

Again, a lot of his potential relies on him filling out his frame and maturing physically. So he's definitely a risky selection, but if he were someone available at 25, thats a guy with creation skills that you dont typically see hang around the board that late in the draft.

I think there is some influence, but Murray looked more explosive and with more all-around attributes to help him at the next level (again, the if he develops clause) than Crawford.

I can see the hesitation towards selecting someone that looks like Jamal, but I believe I have even seen the Will Barton comparison thrown out there, which I think is a bit more on point.

Problem with Murray is that, even if he were to fill out and become an average defender (not too likely), even if he were to improve his court awareness to the point he doesn't have tunnel vision (not that likely either), and even if he worked on his finishing around the rim until he was good (that, I can see), he's still a one dimensional scorer that can't shoot. And there's not many of those that make it in the NBA. He's not gonna evolve into a Dwyane Wade offensively. He's just too much of a long shot, so many things have to go well for him to develop into an average NBA player, and even then it'd be a half-a-decade investment to get a scoring 6th man at best.

I'd much rather take a safe bet player than going for the unlikely home run 5 years from now. Specially cause we need immediate help, more than we need a 25 year old promise when we start a rebuild 5 years from now, imo.

Post #223 » by **mkwest** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:39 pm

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Teams in the mid to late teen range are: Denver (15), Boston (16), Memphis (17), Detroit (18) and Denver (19)

Denver has 3-1sts and 2-2nds. Boston has 3-1sts and 5-2nds. Memphis has the 17th and 57th picks. Detroit has the 18th and 49th picks.

Post #224 » by **og15** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:44 pm

Hmm, who could the Clippers want that badly? Luwawu? Sabonis? Trying to get Valentine even though he's dropped a little? I really don't know.

Also I'd love for the team to buy a 2nd and pick up Gary Payton II for the defensive skills he can provide.

MartinToVaught · Post #225 » by **MartinToVaught** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:58 pm

I'd be more excited about moving up if I didn't already know that Glenn will still glue whoever we draft to the bench and not develop them.

Post #226 » by **og15** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:56 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:I'd be more excited about moving up if I didn't already know that Glenn will still glue whoever we draft to the bench and not develop them.

That is definitely always a worry

madmaxmedia · Post #227 » by **madmaxmedia** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:22 pm

Hey whatever happened to that fat Greek center we drafted a few years back???

Post #228 » by **og15** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:26 pm

madmaxmedia wrote:Hey whatever happened to that fat Greek center we drafted a few years back???

He got fatter

Post #229 » by **mkwest** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:37 pm

madmaxmedia wrote:Hey whatever happened to that fat Greek center we drafted a few years back???

We traded his rights to Atlanta for Willie Green a few years back.

nickhx2 · Post #230 » by **nickhx2** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:46 pm

seems like we want someone in the teens really badly. that makes me pretty happy to hear. better than settling on some end of bench scrubs scrubs with expected low ceilings.

Ranma · Post #231 » by **Ranma** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:51 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:I'd be more excited about moving up if I didn't already know that Glenn will still glue whoever we draft to the bench and not develop them.

og15 wrote:That is definitely always a worry

Obviously, I share in the skepticism regarding Doc's draft and trade acumen, however, I'm cautiously optimistic that we'll do okay or even well today. I'll be perturbed if we don't get the most out of our picks whether that is through trade or choice with the selection itself, but given the amount of time and resources the team has spent to evaluate this year's class on top of the quality of depth within our targeted range, it's almost as if he'd have to try to make a bad move in order to really mess this up. I don't want to underestimate Doc's ineptitude but he has a chance to show improvement today and he actually seems motivated now after seeing how much other people value draft picks.

I like the names in our targeted and currently positioned range, which includes, Timothe Luwawu, Domantas Sabonis, Furkan Korkmaz, Juan Hernangomez, Taurean Prince, and DeAndre Bembry. Even names like Denzel Valentine and Brice Johnson look like fairly safe bets to be short-term contributors albeit with risks for different reasons (health and motor, respectively). There's even talk that Deyonta Davis might even fall too us, who sounds like an intriguing prospect with tools and upside. Admittedly, my feelings on our draft results will be determined by how the draft board plays out after the fact given the amount of activity in flux, but in the end, there seems to be a pool of decent prospects who can help us. Obviously, I like certain names more than others but I can see the appeal of any of the aforementioned picks.

Ranma · Post #232 » by **Ranma** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:07 pm

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Ranma · Post #234 » by **Ranma** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:44 pm

og15 wrote:Both mocks now have us taking Brice Johnson at #25, was there something about the Clippers really wanting him that I missed?

Brice Johnson kind of reminds me of Shawn Marion with how he shoots (without the funny release, but the set up for his shot) and how he moves, I don't know why. For some reason it is making me feel like he should be converted into a SF, this is from no other knowledge except for him reminding me of Shawn Marion btw, so there's no real reasoning behind this. He moves like him, almost exactly, like a clone, has that second jump and he even does some of those little floaters in the lane that Marion does, it's kinda weird watching him.

I've heard comparisons to Taj Gibson myself but with less length and an inconsistent motor. I also heard similarities to Marion's shot as you pointed out. I identified Johnson early for our 25th overall pick, but given what is anticipated to be available, I would be disappointed to borderline upset if we took him depending on who'd be available. Admittedly, I would also be tempted to trade that pick for Patrick Beverly. However, I still want to buy and acquire as many 1st-rounders as possible given what's reportedly available out there. I previously stated that I would prefer to have 2 first-round picks for a chance to hedge on the risky upside of my preferred targets.

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nickhx2 · Post #235 » by **nickhx2** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:48 pm

if we're letting crawford go, sure, i think a beverley trade helps us. if not i would rather keep the pick

Ranma · Post #236 » by **Ranma** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:50 pm

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Ranma · Post #237 » by **Ranma** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:54 pm

Can someone please tattoo what Bobby Marks said below about future draft picks on Doc's forehead only backwards so that he can read it every morning when he looks in the mirror?

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p.s. the 1st few tweets below illustrates the point I previously made about BPA and mock drafts.

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Ranma · Post #238 » by **Ranma** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:34 pm

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Ranma · Post #239 » by **Ranma** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:56 pm

Rowan Kavner, Clippers.com (6/22/16)

Rowan’s Pick: St. Joseph’s SF DeAndre Bembry – He’s great in transition, deceptively athletic, can handle the ball and distribute as well as anyone at his position and uses all of his 6-5 length when he gets inside. He averaged more than 17 points and 7.5 rebounds per game each of his past two seasons, and he also averaged 4.5 assists per game last season. Really the only blemish is his shooting, as he can take a while to get into his motion and saw his 3-point percentage dip below 30 percent last season. But Bembry can basically do it all, and he said during his pre-draft workout with the Clippers it’s his versatility that will help a team most. “Whatever the coach needs me to do, I’m one of those players that will do it and won’t have a problem doing it,” Bembry said at the workout. That sounds like a Doc Rivers kind of guy.
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Rowan’s Pick: North Carolina PF Brice Johnson – The 6-9 senior from North Carolina was a noticeably productive college player, dominating around the rim averaging 17.3 points and 10.5 rebounds per game. He’s not about to start chucking 3-pointers at the next level, but he improved in just about every other area every year in college. His athleticism allows him to finish at a high percentage and block a lot of shots, and he could develop a mid-range game at the next level. He may have trouble inside defensively since he doesn’t have great length, but he’ll crash the boards.

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Ranma · Post #240 » by **Ranma** » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:20 pm

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