We need shooting. Who do we get?

[TheProdigy]

I dont agree with Crawford at PG, remember Clips had Raymond Felton playing that role. We need a backup PG that is proven and has better size than Teague and Jones. We need a SF also. My major point is to me shooting is not the overwhelming need here.

Tyus Jones can play backup point guard just fine. Any pg we pick up with the vet minimum will likely be the 3rd pg on the depth chart.

[SBM]

I dont agree with Crawford at PG, remember Clips had Raymond Felton playing that role. We need a backup PG that is proven and has better size than Teague and Jones. We need a SF also. My major point is to me shooting is not the overwhelming need here.

Tyus Jones can play backup point guard just fine. Any pg we pick up with the vet minimum will likely be the 3rd pg on the depth chart.

Well, I would rather have Beno Uldrich or Greivis Vasquez than Jones.

[KGdaBom]

I dont agree with Crawford at PG, remember Clips had Raymond Felton playing that role. We need a backup PG that is proven and has better size than Teague and Jones. We need a SF also. My major point is to me shooting is not the overwhelming need here.

Tyus Jones can play backup point guard just fine. Any pg we pick up with the vet minimum will likely be the 3rd pg on the depth chart.

Well, I would rather have Beno Uldrich or Greivis Vasquez than Jones.

I don't get the lack of faith in Tyus. He has played well and has been rapidly improving in his career so far.

[SBM]

Tyus Jones can play backup point guard just fine. Any pg we pick up with the vet minimum will likely be the 3rd pg on the depth chart.

Well, I would rather have Beno Uldrich or Greivis Vasquez than Jones.

I don't get the lack of faith in Tyus. He has played well and has been rapidly improving in his career so far.

I dont think he is a good Teague backup. Backup in general maybe.

[TheProdigy]

I dont agree with Crawford at PG, remember Clips had Raymond Felton playing that role. We need a backup PG that is proven and has better size than Teague and Jones. We need a SF also. My major point is to me shooting is not the overwhelming need here.

Tyus Jones can play backup point guard just fine. Any pg we pick up with the vet minimum will likely be the 3rd pg on the depth chart.

Well, I would rather have Beno Uldrich or Greivis Vasquez than Jones.

Vasquez has been garbage for the last couple of seasons. He might be washed up.

Udrih is probably a comparable player to Tyus right now, but Tyus isn't done progressing and Udrih is 34. Advantage Tyus.

That being said I'd be fine with either of them as end of bench options.

[KGdaBom]

I dont agree with Crawford at PG, remember Clips had Raymond Felton playing that role. We need a backup PG that is proven and has better size than Teague and Jones. We need a SF also. My major point is to me shooting is not the overwhelming need here.

Even though shooting is the name of this thread I don't think we have an overwhelming need either after adding Crawford. I look at Tyus being an adequate Backup PG and Crawford being the third that you use in a pinch. With Butler likely being our primary distributor and Teague being one of the best in the league at that skill also we aren't in much need IMO.

[nba_addict]

CJ Watson just got waived by Orlando. He is not a good point guard if you expect him to do playmaking and run team offense by himself but if he has Crawford or Butler on court who can create for the team he is a decent PG who can space the floor with his 3pt shooting Slighlty below average D. He will be a decent vet min pick up.

[Slim Tubby]

I dont agree with Crawford at PG, remember Clips had Raymond Felton playing that role. We need a backup PG that is proven and has better size than Teague and Jones. We need a SF also. My major point is to me shooting is not the overwhelming need here.

Tyus Jones can play backup point guard just fine. Any pg we pick up with the vet minimum will likely be the 3rd pg on the depth chart.

Well, I would rather have Beno Uldrich or Greivis Vasquez than Jones.

Beno Uldrich? Isn't he the drummer for Metallica?

[Swish4]

Watson's pretty close to what we need as a 3rd PG, if he'll accept veterans minimum.

[Oriole8159]

Watson's pretty close to what we need as a 3rd PG, if he'll accept veterans minimum.

he did get $1 million already in the buyout today, so that coupled with a veteran's minimum deal is still pretty nice for one year.

[shrink]

Is there anybody still out there that you believe would be worth stretching Aldrich to get? I still don't understand stretching honestly. You get to defer their salary and stretch it over 5 years or something like that? Do you get to keep the player when you stretch him? Does he eventually come back to his original shape like Gumby or Stretch Armstrong?

At this point, it's probably pointless to stretch Aldrich. The point I was trying to make is that we could have gotten both Miles and Crawford if we would have paid Gibson $1-$2 million less per year, and stretched Aldrich's contract.

Yes the salary gets prorated over multiple years, so the Aldrich contract would only amount to about $2m this year.

It depends on if we have any cap space left. Even 1 or 2 million could be a relatively big difference in terms of getting someone we want versus whoever will take our minimum salary offer.

It's the total guaranteed salary divided by twice the number of years, plus 1. So Cole would be ($7.3 + 2.0)/(2 x 2) + 1 = $1.86 mil/year, for five years, less anything he'd be willing to give up in a lower buy out, to quickly get on another team. If we haven't signed Crawford with the room exception, we'd be going back under the cap, and getting cap space to the tune of $7.3 - $1.86 = $5.44.

Is there anyone left in free agency worth that? Good question. We are talking about marginally better players, that would play for MIN for a deal greater than the vet min, that wouldn't have come if we couldn't offer more if we offered cap space. Keep in mind that while vet min deals only cost us $0.86 mil, the NBA front office kicks in their own money to add to the contract based on the years of service in the NBA. So our offer of $2 mil in cap space for a vet could actually be less than someone else's vet min deal. But for younger free agents, or one big one, it might give us a bigger advantage to get one more rotation piece.

Finally, I would lean towards keeping Aldridge and trying to find vet min players, rather than stretching him (and having $2 mil cap holds for 5 years) or using the OKC pick to turn him into cap space. If we hold onto him until February, his contract could be useful to a team that wants to clear cap space for 2018. For example, by that time, PHX' expectations may have declined, and they might trade us Cole for Dudley to help our playoff run.