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Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank

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What should the Knicks approach be with Frank

Try to develop until prime years (~26) - essentially hold until it's 100% clear what he is
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Hold and try to develop until the end of rookie contract
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Hold until season's end/middle of next season to make a decision
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Look to trade him now for assets and/or a salary dump
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Other
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#221 » by prophet_of_rage » Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:53 pm

blanko wrote:
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blanko wrote:Let's ask this question, if KP comes back and Kevin becomes a 20 points per game scorer : what kind of point guard do you need?

Also add the possibility of us signing a major free agent this year. Who would fit next to these 3 offensive options? A guy like Frank or a guy who shoots a lot from the point guard position?

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A guy who creates easy shots for them. So neither. They will just double off Frank. And a tunnel vision scorer like Burle doesn't help. But a CP3, Conley, Harden, Lowry type woukd be great.

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Conley, and lowry took many years to become good.

Harden would be horrible

Cp3 would be perfect.

You want a ball distribution defensive guard ( like conley was for almost a decade before his offensive improved).

Frank ia that. His shot will improve.

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Framk is not like Conley at all. Conley was a college scorer and averaged 9.4 and 4 as a rookie on the slow paced Grizz.

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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#222 » by blanko » Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:59 pm

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Galou wrote:Part of me wants to keep him and see how he develops. That part of me is wearing thin. If he doesnt develop into something food before feb 2020, cut him. Cant wait that long on a developing prospect. Some got it and some dont. How long are we suppose to wait for a developing prospect? 3 years is enough for me. Frank Nitty need to snap out of it and learn quick. I'll give him one mor year, that's it. If theres no progress before the trade deadline in feb 2020, he gots to go
Actually 3 years is not enough. He would have been one of the youngest rookies of this year's draft. As draft picks are getting younger and younger they will take longer to develop.

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Seems like its been getting young for the longest. I'm aware it takes some point guards a while to develop but they're different today than they were 10-15 years ago. So i expect them to learn quick. This generation like to say that basketball is better than it was in the 90s. They say they have better athleticism, IQ's, and other stuff. 4 yrs to develop a point guard? Steve Nash, Kyle Lowry, and Michael Conley represent the old format to me.
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#223 » by blanko » Tue Dec 25, 2018 2:00 pm

prophet_of_rage wrote:
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prophet_of_rage wrote:A guy who creates easy shots for them. So neither. They will just double off Frank. And a tunnel vision scorer like Burle doesn't help. But a CP3, Conley, Harden, Lowry type woukd be great.

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Conley, and lowry took many years to become good.

Harden would be horrible

Cp3 would be perfect.

You want a ball distribution defensive guard ( like conley was for almost a decade before his offensive improved).

Frank ia that. His shot will improve.

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Harden would be terrific. Frank is not a distributor. He just gives up the ball.

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Harden is a ball hog, he would endlessly pound the ball while everyone watched.

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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#224 » by Galou » Tue Dec 25, 2018 2:12 pm

blanko wrote:
Galou wrote:
blanko wrote:Actually 3 years is not enough. He would have been one of the youngest rookies of this year's draft. As draft picks are getting younger and younger they will take longer to develop.

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Seems like its been getting young for the longest. I'm aware it takes some point guards a while to develop but they're different today than they were 10-15 years ago. So i expect them to learn quick. This generation like to say that basketball is better than it was in the 90s. They say they have better athleticism, IQ's, and other stuff. 4 yrs to develop a point guard? Steve Nash, Kyle Lowry, and Michael Conley represent the old format to me.
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Knew you were going to say that. Fiz doesn't see him the same way as Frank.
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#225 » by prophet_of_rage » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:25 pm

blanko wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:
blanko wrote:
Conley, and lowry took many years to become good.

Harden would be horrible

Cp3 would be perfect.

You want a ball distribution defensive guard ( like conley was for almost a decade before his offensive improved).

Frank ia that. His shot will improve.

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Harden would be terrific. Frank is not a distributor. He just gives up the ball.

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Harden is a ball hog, he would endlessly pound the ball while everyone watched.

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Harden is as much a ballhog as Nash was. They play the same way in dantoni's system.

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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#226 » by ARTjoMS » Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:50 pm

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ARTjoMS wrote:I think the way Frank has been treated this season displays "we don't trust you and we don't know what to do with you":
* Not starting him in preseason
* Making him to play various positions
* Benching him for no good reason
* Give him very limited offensive role: please dribble over, pass and wait in the corner.

.. and now they say that they work on his confidence. Tsss. I like Frank, but if we keep this FO and coach we may as well just trade him.


That's how Frank likes to play. He isn't comfortable with the ball in his hands long time.


Did he say it somewhere or are you just making things up? He wouldn't be a basketball player if he wasn't comfortable with the ball in his hands.
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#227 » by MaseInYourFace » Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:09 pm

ARTjoMS wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:
ARTjoMS wrote:I think the way Frank has been treated this season displays "we don't trust you and we don't know what to do with you":
* Not starting him in preseason
* Making him to play various positions
* Benching him for no good reason
* Give him very limited offensive role: please dribble over, pass and wait in the corner.

.. and now they say that they work on his confidence. Tsss. I like Frank, but if we keep this FO and coach we may as well just trade him.


That's how Frank likes to play. He isn't comfortable with the ball in his hands long time.


Did he say it somewhere or are you just making things up? He wouldn't be a basketball player if he wasn't comfortable with the ball in his hands.


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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#228 » by 8516knicks » Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:39 pm

Loved Frank initially, like a possibly elite defensive player on the Knicks for a change; we could use more. About a trade or playing him off the ball? -- Don't see how Frank can be thought of as a shooting guard - a shooting guard who never shoots? For one game Fiz should tell him no bench rest till he takes 10 shots - anything to wake him up. And add THJ is only allowed to shoot one after Frank takes 3.
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#229 » by KnicksGadfly » Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:41 pm

At the very least, Frank needs to know how to shoot. I like him but he needs to get himself ready to play.
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#230 » by Besart19 » Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:53 pm

Frank needs to go in Texas State (San Antonio, Dallas or Houston) for his own sake!!
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#231 » by GONYK » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:31 am

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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#232 » by Greenie » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:45 am

prophet_of_rage wrote:
blanko wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:Harden would be terrific. Frank is not a distributor. He just gives up the ball.

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Harden is a ball hog, he would endlessly pound the ball while everyone watched.

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Harden is as much a ballhog as Nash was. They play the same way in dantoni's system.

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Nash is never called a ball hog. He was though. Rondo was too.
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#233 » by Greenie » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:45 am

LeBron is a ball hog too.
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#234 » by cuyankees » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:20 am

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Nonsense!

According to our resident Frank hall monitor, whocares, and his former college bball sidekick, consistent minutes will have 0 effect on Frank's confidence.
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#235 » by DOT » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:25 am

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GONYK wrote:
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Nonsense!

According to our resident Frank hall monitor, whocares, and his former college bball sidekick, consistent minutes will have 0 effect on Frank's confidence.
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#236 » by cuyankees » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:28 am

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cuyankees wrote:
GONYK wrote:
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Nonsense!

According to our resident Frank hall monitor, whocares, and his former college bball sidekick, consistent minutes will have 0 effect on Frank's confidence.
Knock that sh*t off

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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#237 » by FemaleDogPlease » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:30 am

cuyankees wrote:
GONYK wrote:
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Nonsense!

According to our resident Frank hall monitor, whocares, and his former college bball sidekick, consistent minutes will have 0 effect on Frank's confidence.


Frank is a lottery pick getting paid 4 million a year. Dude was supposed to have all these fundamentals since he was playing better competition than his NCAA counterparts.

This is NYC. If you cant handle a DNP then the media is going to eat you alive.
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#238 » by robillionaire » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:34 am

FemaleDogPlease wrote:
cuyankees wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Read on Twitter

Nonsense!

According to our resident Frank hall monitor, whocares, and his former college bball sidekick, consistent minutes will have 0 effect on Frank's confidence.


Frank is a lottery pick getting paid 4 million a year. Dude was supposed to have all these fundamentals since he was playing better competition than his NCAA counterparts.

This is NYC. If you cant handle a DNP then the media is going to eat you alive.


Not everybody can handle playing in NYC. It is what it is. No more mentally soft draft picks.
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Post#239 » by seren » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:51 am

We are obviously better off not playing Frank. Not playing Frank and heavy minutes to Hardaway and Mudiay duo alongside Burke guarantees no defense will be played. Hence ping pong balls. The only thing we want to make sure is they don’t trade Frank. We will be great with Frank,KP, Knox and Zion along with a new head coach next season.
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#240 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:04 am

cuyankees wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
cuyankees wrote:Nonsense!

According to our resident Frank hall monitor, whocares, and his former college bball sidekick, consistent minutes will have 0 effect on Frank's confidence.
Knock that sh*t off

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