It's been 5 yrs. Can we now say Andrew Wiggins is a Bust?

[UKClipperfan]

Busts cant put up 20ppg

[Raps in 4]

I wouldn’t say bust because he is a serviceable starter.

But he has underperformed to expectations.

He's not even close to a serviceable starter. He literally wastes possessions when he touches the ball. He also doesn't play defence.

[Raps in 4]

Busts cant put up 20ppg

Yes they can. He's putting up 18 PPG this year on 17 FGAs. That's historically bad efficiency. Any replacement level player could put up those numbers.

[UKClipperfan]

No they cant. Anthony Bennett is a bust. Alex Len is a bust.

[SecondTake]

His per dollar impact is a bust.

He would be a serviceable role player at half or less his salary.

He's not a serviceable role player at any salary.

Yes he is, lets be real. Give him half or less the salary and put him on the bench. He will give you some production there that's of value and might make a case for 6th man of the year playing against 2nd unit scrubs. You can start him as well, but he should be your 4th guy putting up 14-16 points and not a featured player.

[Duke4life831]

Why are people perpetuating this myth? Wiggins IS NOT serviceable and is a DEEP bench player at best.
Look at what Kwame, Bargnani, Tyrus Thomas, etc. did from 20-25... In what ways are these players "Bust", but Wiggins isnt?

Ya thats what Im not getting. I dont recall people making these kind of arguments for Kwame and Bargnani, people just flat out said they were busts (which they were). The funny thing is, Wiggins arguably has the worst advanced stats out of all of them. Yet there are a good amount of people not willing to call him a bust and say the only reason people are calling him a bust is because his contract.

I don't get this thread. Wiggins is so far over the threshold for being a bust that he can't even see it from the rear view mirror.

Basically, the argument for him not being a bust revolves around Minnesota letting him be awful in lots of minutes and getting lots of shots. That's crazy. Its not about his contract, nor his draft position. He is an outright bad player.

Yup. I believe it was Bondom that posted a comparison of Wiggins this year to Melo last year and they're very similar. Melo isnt on a team currently, that is how bad Melo is now a days. Wiggins is playing at a similar level to current Melo.

It seems the only thing Wiggins has going for him is he just lucked out that he is in a situation where a team allows him to get as many minutes as he wants and as many shots as he wants. If we cant call Kwame Brown and Andrea Bargnani busts, then I think we are using way too strict of a definition of the word. Guys like Bennett are just even worse busts.

[Quentin]

And putting faces is a childish way to respond. But stick to your "facts."

MY facts? You're the guy saying he wouldn't have gotten the max from another team. You have a funny way of stating what "facts" are. Oh and

And you are and idiot that can't read. I suggest you go troll somewhere else. I'm done.

Thank you! Obvious typo on my part which you proved. Should have said would've which is what you said. All arguments remain the same.

[taikibansei]

His per dollar impact is a bust.

He would be a serviceable role player at half or less his salary.

This is closer to the truth. Heck, if Wiggins was making Jabari Parker or Zach Lavine money then we don't see these threads (again, and again, and again, and again......)

Well, see you all again in two weeks when someone else remakes this exact thread for the thirtieth time!

Except...both Jabari Parker and Zach LaVine put up better numbers than Wiggins on far fewer minutes:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Andrew+Wiggins&player_id1_select=Andrew+Wiggins&player_id1=wiggian01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Jabari+Parker&player_id2_select=Jabari+Parker&player_id2=parkeja01&idx=players&player_id3_hint=Zach+LaVine&player_id3_select=Zach+LaVine&player_id3=lavinza01&idx=players

eFG%
1. LaVine .503
2. Jabari .514
3. Wiggins .472

TS%
1. LaVine .548
2. Jabari .546
3. Wiggins .520

BPM
1. LaVine -1.7
2. Jabari -1.6
3. Wiggins -2.5

VORP
1. LaVine 0.6
2. Jabari 0.8
3. Wiggins -1.7

Etc., etc. The only two things Wiggins is "better" at: playing longer minutes and taking more shots. The other two players are better at everything else, including scoring. So, basically, Wiggins is worse than two slightly below-average NBA players...which has been the point of everyone posting here saying he's a bust.

[mplsfonz23]

MY facts? You're the guy saying he wouldn't have gotten the max from another team. You have a funny way of stating what "facts" are. Oh and

And you are and idiot that can't read. I suggest you go troll somewhere else. I'm done.

Thank you! Obvious typo on my part which you proved. Should have said would've which is what you said. All arguments remain the same.

Especially the idiot part.....

[SactoKingsFan]

Wiggins is obviously a bust unless we've lowered the bar to just staying in the league and starting. Harrison Barnes would be considered a bust if he was drafted #1 and the Wolves would actually be better off with Barnes.

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[Duke4life831]

His per dollar impact is a bust.

He would be a serviceable role player at half or less his salary.

He's not a serviceable role player at any salary.

Yes he is, lets be real. Give him half or less the salary and put him on the bench. He will give you some production there that's of value and might make a case for 6th man of the year playing against 2nd unit scrubs. You can start him as well, but he should be your 4th guy putting up 14-16 points and not a featured player.

What about him makes him a serviceable role player? Is it his horrible defense? His non existent facilitating or rebounding? His extremely inefficient scoring? Who would you rather have getting minutes on your team

Andrew Wiggins or Tony Snell? Give me Tony Snell.
Andrew Wiggins or OG Anunoby? Give me OG
Wiggins or Malik Beasley? Give me Beasley
Wiggins wouldnt sniff minutes for Boston. He would be competing with Semi for minutes

Wiggins has a -3.2 BPM, just a .014 WS/48, he has a 48 TS%. You can easily run into a Melo situation where he is a negative in every aspect of the game except for putting up points. But he does that so inefficiently that he is a negative in that aspect as well. So he really doesnt provide any value.

[Prez]

We could look at other players in NBA history who put up some similar advanced numbers (PER, TS%, BPM) in their 5th year to current 5th year Wiggins, let's say 1500+ minutes played.

[SecondTake]

His per dollar impact is a bust.

He would be a serviceable role player at half or less his salary.

This is closer to the truth. Heck, if Wiggins was making Jabari Parker or Zach Lavine money then we don't see these threads (again, and again, and again, and again......)

Well, see you all again in two weeks when someone else remakes this exact thread for the thirtieth time!

Except...both Jabari Parker and Zach LaVine put up better numbers than Wiggins on far fewer minutes:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Andrew+Wiggins&player_id1_select=Andrew+Wiggins&player_id1=wiggian01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Jabari+Parker&player_id2_select=Jabari+Parker&player_id2=parkeja01&idx=players&player_id3_hint=Zach+LaVine&player_id3_select=Zach+LaVine&player_id3=lavinza01&idx=players

eFG%
1. LaVine .503
2. Jabari .514
3. Wiggins .472

TS%
1. LaVine .548
2. Jabari .546
3. Wiggins .520

BPM
1. LaVine -1.7
2. Jabari -1.6
3. Wiggins -2.5

VORP
1. LaVine 0.6
2. Jabari 0.8
3. Wiggins -1.7

Etc., etc. The only two things Wiggins is "better" at: playing longer minutes and taking more shots. The other two players are better at everything else, including scoring. So, basically, Wiggins is worse than two slightly below-average NBA players...which has been the point of everyone posting here saying he's a bust.

Again, he's a bust for the money he's making. No one considers an average or below average NBA player a bust unless he's making max money. If Wiggings had Lavines contract, you reigned in his minutes and benched him when he sucked, his efficiency numbers would likely improve to be comparable to those guys.

[Ayt]

Again, he's a bust for the money he's making. No one considers an average or below average NBA player a bust unless he's making max money. If Wiggings had Lavines contract, you reigned in his minutes and benched him when he sucked, his efficiency numbers would likely improve to be comparable to those guys.

But this thread is about Wiggins, who isn't an average or below average player. He's a terrible player that makes his team worse on both ends of the court.

[Duke4life831]

We could look at other players in NBA history who put up some similar advanced numbers (PER, TS%, BPM) in their 5th year to current 5th year Wiggins, let's say 1500+ minutes played.

Haha Bud's face in your avatar was the exact same face I made reading this list of players. Sebastian Telfair, Darko, Bryant Reeves, Michael Beasley...

Its almost like reading a list of well known b....

[OrangeBlueSkies]

Worst time to write this bro. He literally JUST started stepping up so recent.

23p/10r/7a
23/9/3/ 3 stls
a few games before that 35 points and 3 steals ... 21p/11r

It must be noted these guys are so young when they enter the league, just learning how to become a man, perfect their craft, and do their job.


All that being noted, he has been a pretty big disappointment thus far in his career.

[LibertyPrime]

His per dollar impact is a bust.

He would be a serviceable role player at half or less his salary.

This is closer to the truth. Heck, if Wiggins was making Jabari Parker or Zach Lavine money then we don't see these threads (again, and again, and again, and again......)

Well, see you all again in two weeks when someone else remakes this exact thread for the thirtieth time!

Except...both Jabari Parker and Zach LaVine put up better numbers than Wiggins on far fewer minutes:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Andrew+Wiggins&player_id1_select=Andrew+Wiggins&player_id1=wiggian01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Jabari+Parker&player_id2_select=Jabari+Parker&player_id2=parkeja01&idx=players&player_id3_hint=Zach+LaVine&player_id3_select=Zach+LaVine&player_id3=lavinza01&idx=players

eFG%
1. LaVine .503
2. Jabari .514
3. Wiggins .472

TS%
1. LaVine .548
2. Jabari .546
3. Wiggins .520

BPM
1. LaVine -1.7
2. Jabari -1.6
3. Wiggins -2.5

VORP
1. LaVine 0.6
2. Jabari 0.8
3. Wiggins -1.7

Etc., etc. The only two things Wiggins is "better" at: playing longer minutes and taking more shots. The other two players are better at everything else, including scoring. So, basically, Wiggins is worse than two slightly below-average NBA players...which has been the point of everyone posting here saying he's a bust.

I imply y'all are abnormally obsessed with bashing Wiggins, and you fire back.....with neatly organized stats culled from the nerdier parts of the web, bashing Wiggins. Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate you making my point for me.

[SF_Warriors]

Love made all star games in cleveland and won a chip.. What has wiggins accomplished?

Getting Jimmy Butler to “nope” his way out of Minny.

Butler’s got issues but you can’t knock the drive and effort of him as a former late pick who transformed into a big star. And his criticism of Wiggins and KAT was spot on.

Clubbing Wiggins with KAT when it comes to effort, drive etc is just stupid...if KAT didn't put in effort or didn't have drive, then Wolves would be having a record like 15-16 wins right now instead of 27 wins

Also want to point out that love was a 2x all star in minny by the time he was wiggins age

[taikibansei]

This is closer to the truth. Heck, if Wiggins was making Jabari Parker or Zach Lavine money then we don't see these threads (again, and again, and again, and again......)

Well, see you all again in two weeks when someone else remakes this exact thread for the thirtieth time!

Except...both Jabari Parker and Zach LaVine put up better numbers than Wiggins on far fewer minutes:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Andrew+Wiggins&player_id1_select=Andrew+Wiggins&player_id1=wiggian01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Jabari+Parker&player_id2_select=Jabari+Parker&player_id2=parkeja01&idx=players&player_id3_hint=Zach+LaVine&player_id3_select=Zach+LaVine&player_id3=lavinza01&idx=players

eFG%
1. LaVine .503
2. Jabari .514
3. Wiggins .472

TS%
1. LaVine .548
2. Jabari .546
3. Wiggins .520

BPM
1. LaVine -1.7
2. Jabari -1.6
3. Wiggins -2.5

VORP
1. LaVine 0.6
2. Jabari 0.8
3. Wiggins -1.7

Etc., etc. The only two things Wiggins is "better" at: playing longer minutes and taking more shots. The other two players are better at everything else, including scoring. So, basically, Wiggins is worse than two slightly below-average NBA players...which has been the point of everyone posting here saying he's a bust.

I imply y'all are abnormally obsessed with bashing Wiggins, and you fire back.....with neatly organized stats culled from the nerdier parts of the web, bashing Wiggins. Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate you making my point for me.

Dude, it's called a "discussion," something that happens on a basketball discussion board. You don't like the thread? Don't click on it (and be sure to give your full-size Wiggins poster a big kiss good night...).

[OrangeBlueSkies]

Getting Jimmy Butler to “nope” his way out of Minny.

Butler’s got issues but you can’t knock the drive and effort of him as a former late pick who transformed into a big star. And his criticism of Wiggins and KAT was spot on.

Clubbing Wiggins with KAT when it comes to effort, drive etc is just stupid...if KAT didn't put in effort or didn't have drive, then Wolves would be having a record like 15-16 wins right now instead of 27 wins

Also want to point out that love was a 2x all star in minny by the time he was wiggins age

Wiggins has been a disappointment for sure ... it sucks all that money and talent and the Wolves are still on the outside looking in... how long before we here rumblings of KAT wanting out?