Political Roundtable Part XXVII

[I_Like_Dirt]

Well those circumstances are horrific, but they pale into comparison numbers wise with those that have it just because they want to. The difference isnt minuscule, its astronomical.

Prove it. This is a pretty big non-sequitur.

[daoneandonly]

https://abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/

Sure one study dated all the way back to 2004, and the 2018 one was strictly in FL, but lets be real, the numbers arent going to be that much different on the national side. One could easily safely interprete the FL example as 95.4% of women had them when the issue was not rape, incest, or baby/mother's life in danger

[montestewart]

I try not to assume anything. I might have just missed or forgotten the posts where you cleared that up as I jump in and out of this thread. But I'd agree, it's more of an ethical issue than a religious one. The catch is that it's made to be something other than an ethical issue which is where you see the Alabama abortion ban that is perfectly fine with test-tube foetuses dying because a woman isn't pregnant.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-29/why-alabama-s-abortion-law-includes-an-exemption-for-infertility

Hot take: the goal is not to preserve unborn foetuses but to regulate women's bodies.

The way the guy phrased it was idiotic for sure

But I'll just add one thing and leave this subject be. For all the pro choice champions, all you have to think about is this very simplistic, but accurate idea. If your parents decided to have an abortion when you were conceived, you wouldnt be able to be on this very board arguing for it. For those of you who are in love, if your significant other's parents decided to abort, you wouldnt have that particular special someone by your side as you read this. I dont understand how this line of thinking is never even thought about

What makes me really sad is thinking about all those men and women, a near unanimous majority of all people able to procreate, who never made love with each other, never had children, and some of those baby girls who were never born, because their potential parents never met, or maybe they met but they did not make love, and so those baby girls, so many baby girls, were never born, because they were never conceived, and so they couldn’t grow up to become more women, more choices. That is a pro-choice I can really get behind, but it never happened, and it makes me sad, stuck here with my pro-choice wife, who no doubt wanted more choices herself, but she didn’t get them. She’s a wife, not a choice.

Come now, Da1, you can do better than that. Everyone has thought that through.

[JWizmentality]

Hot take: the goal is not to preserve unborn foetuses but to regulate women's bodies.

The way the guy phrased it was idiotic for sure

But I'll just add one thing and leave this subject be. For all the pro choice champions, all you have to think about is this very simplistic, but accurate idea. If your parents decided to have an abortion when you were conceived, you wouldnt be able to be on this very board arguing for it. For those of you who are in love, if your significant other's parents decided to abort, you wouldnt have that particular special someone by your side as you read this. I dont understand how this line of thinking is never even thought about

What makes me really sad is thinking about all those men and women, a near unanimous majority of all people able to procreate, who never made love with each other, never had children, and some of those baby girls who were never born, because their potential parents never met, or maybe they met but they did not make love, and so those baby girls, so many baby girls, were never born, because they were never conceived, and so they couldn’t grow up to become more women, more choices. That is a pro-choice I can really get behind, but it never happened, and it makes me sad, stuck here with my pro-choice wife, who no doubt wanted more choices herself, but she didn’t get them. She’s a wife, not a choice.

Come now, Da1, you can do better than that. Everyone has thought that through.

Good ole Monte. Fighting the good fight. Pushing that boulder up hill.

[montestewart]

The way the guy phrased it was idiotic for sure

But I'll just add one thing and leave this subject be. For all the pro choice champions, all you have to think about is this very simplistic, but accurate idea. If your parents decided to have an abortion when you were conceived, you wouldnt be able to be on this very board arguing for it. For those of you who are in love, if your significant other's parents decided to abort, you wouldnt have that particular special someone by your side as you read this. I dont understand how this line of thinking is never even thought about

What makes me really sad is thinking about all those men and women, a near unanimous majority of all people able to procreate, who never made love with each other, never had children, and some of those baby girls who were never born, because their potential parents never met, or maybe they met but they did not make love, and so those baby girls, so many baby girls, were never born, because they were never conceived, and so they couldn’t grow up to become more women, more choices. That is a pro-choice I can really get behind, but it never happened, and it makes me sad, stuck here with my pro-choice wife, who no doubt wanted more choices herself, but she didn’t get them. She’s a wife, not a choice.

Come now, Da1, you can do better than that. Everyone has thought that through.

Good ole Monte. Fighting the good fight. Pushing that boulder up hill.

What, no comment on the masterwork that preceded it? I thought it was beautiful.

[Zonkerbl]

Despicable. Vermin.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/rep-katie-hill-decries-dirtiest-gutter-politics-i-ve-seen-n1074841?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

"I'm leaving because of a misogynistic culture that gleefully consumed my naked pictures"

"she'd been warned conservative operatives had "hundreds more" pictures they planned on releasing "bit by bit until they broke me down to nothing"

"Unconfirmed allegations about her personal life were reported by conservative site Red State, which along with the Daily Mail published nude photos of the congresswoman without her consent."

[closg00]

Despicable. Vermin.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/rep-katie-hill-decries-dirtiest-gutter-politics-i-ve-seen-n1074841?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

"I'm leaving because of a misogynistic culture that gleefully consumed my naked pictures"

"she'd been warned conservative operatives had "hundreds more" pictures they planned on releasing "bit by bit until they broke me down to nothing"

"Unconfirmed allegations about her personal life were reported by conservative site Red State, which along with the Daily Mail published nude photos of the congresswoman without her consent."

Vile, gutter politics, they very badly want to get that seat back

[daoneandonly]

Yea because Katie Hill has proven to be an honest, innocent bystander caught in the crossfire. She made her bed, now she can lie in it. But once again, play the victim card and cry misogyny, perhaps if she wasnt stupid enough to take the pics, there would be no substantiated evidence.

[dckingsfan]

Come on, is that how some of the folks you defend on here behave?

And speaking of this, how is it that many, if not most on the left think the death penalty is cruel and should be abolished, yet praise the murder of Bin laden because Obama led the charge? is it only cruel if the criminal in question is on your side of the political spectrum?

Obviously, Bin laden is on our side of the political spectrum. We all hate America and its freedoms.

The green font is for you, Da1! Peace!

SO why are there so many Dems that think this guy named Lee Boyd Malvo didnt deserve to be put to death? He's a mass murderer as well. But somehow, killing him would be cruel

No that isn't the stupidity of the death penalty. It is vastly more expensive to go through the death penalty process than to just put someone in prison for life. The death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment to tax payers as is most of the prison industrial complex.

[Pointgod]

Yea because Katie Hill has proven to be an honest, innocent bystander caught in the crossfire. She made her bed, now she can lie in it. But once again, play the victim card and cry misogyny, perhaps if she wasnt stupid enough to take the pics, there would be no substantiated evidence.

Hold up? Didn’t you claim that Kavanugh was innocent despite multiple credible claims against him? How are you not giving Katie Hill the benefit of the doubt? Your misogyny is showing

[Pointgod]

Surprise no one has posted the vote to move forward with impeachment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/31/us/politics/house-impeachment-vote.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

The vote was 232 to 196 to approve a resolution that sets out rules for an impeachment process for which there are few precedents, and which promises to consume the country a little more than a year before the 2020 elections. It was only the third time in modern history that the House had taken a vote on an impeachment inquiry into a sitting president.

[daoneandonly]

Yea because Katie Hill has proven to be an honest, innocent bystander caught in the crossfire. She made her bed, now she can lie in it. But once again, play the victim card and cry misogyny, perhaps if she wasnt stupid enough to take the pics, there would be no substantiated evidence.

Hold up? Didn’t you claim that Kavanugh was innocent despite multiple credible claims against him? How are you not giving Katie Hill the benefit of the doubt? Your misogyny is showing

Isnt there picture evidence of her? Pretty substantial difference there, like I dont even understand how its debatable. She mentioned in her resignation cryade about the pictures And these pictures and talk didnt come out as soon as she put her name in the hat, unlike the allegations that suddenly surfaced when Kavanaugh was set to be in the SCOTUS.

Ignore that major piece of the puzzle

[daoneandonly]

Obviously, Bin laden is on our side of the political spectrum. We all hate America and its freedoms.

The green font is for you, Da1! Peace!

SO why are there so many Dems that think this guy named Lee Boyd Malvo didnt deserve to be put to death? He's a mass murderer as well. But somehow, killing him would be cruel

No that isn't the stupidity of the death penalty. It is vastly more expensive to go through the death penalty process than to just put someone in prison for life. The death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment to tax payers as is most of the prison industrial complex.

So cruel to put a cold blooded terrorist who killed dozens of innocent people to death, yeah not so much. But then again, abortion isnt cruel, its working. 37% of pregnancies in DC end in abortions, but yet, its working.

[Pointgod]

Yea because Katie Hill has proven to be an honest, innocent bystander caught in the crossfire. She made her bed, now she can lie in it. But once again, play the victim card and cry misogyny, perhaps if she wasnt stupid enough to take the pics, there would be no substantiated evidence.

Hold up? Didn’t you claim that Kavanugh was innocent despite multiple credible claims against him? How are you not giving Katie Hill the benefit of the doubt? Your misogyny is showing

Isnt there picture evidence of her? Pretty substantial difference there, like I dont even understand how its debatable. She mentioned in her resignation cryade about the pictures And these pictures and talk didnt come out as soon as she put her name in the hat, unlike the allegations that suddenly surfaced when Kavanaugh was set to be in the SCOTUS.

Ignore that major piece of the puzzle

I’m talking about the allegations of her having an inappropriate relationship with a staffer. Why should she resign because of the pictures? Who gives a ****? If you believe Kavanaugh is innocent you should give Katie Hill the benefit of the doubt. This is actually what a political hit job looks like not the investigative process of vetting a supreme court nominee.

[Pointgod]

SO why are there so many Dems that think this guy named Lee Boyd Malvo didnt deserve to be put to death? He's a mass murderer as well. But somehow, killing him would be cruel

No that isn't the stupidity of the death penalty. It is vastly more expensive to go through the death penalty process than to just put someone in prison for life. The death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment to tax payers as is most of the prison industrial complex.

So cruel to put a cold blooded terrorist who killed dozens of innocent people to death, yeah not so much. But then again, abortion isnt cruel, its working. 37% of pregnancies in DC end in abortions, but yet, its working.

Seriously shut up about abortion. According to your supposed Christian values you should be preaching forgiveness even for terrorists not getting excited for the death penalty.

[daoneandonly]

Hold up? Didn’t you claim that Kavanugh was innocent despite multiple credible claims against him? How are you not giving Katie Hill the benefit of the doubt? Your misogyny is showing

Isnt there picture evidence of her? Pretty substantial difference there, like I dont even understand how its debatable. She mentioned in her resignation cryade about the pictures And these pictures and talk didnt come out as soon as she put her name in the hat, unlike the allegations that suddenly surfaced when Kavanaugh was set to be in the SCOTUS.

Ignore that major piece of the puzzle

I’m talking about the allegations of her having an inappropriate relationship with a staffer. Why should she resign because of the pictures? Who gives a ****? If you believe Kavanaugh is innocent you should give Katie Hill the benefit of the doubt. This is actually what a political hit job looks like not the investigative process of vetting a supreme court nominee.

There are pictures of her naked with said staffer. Do you hang around with your coworkers in the buff? Thinking that's not a normal thing to do

[daoneandonly]

No that isn't the stupidity of the death penalty. It is vastly more expensive to go through the death penalty process than to just put someone in prison for life. The death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment to tax payers as is most of the prison industrial complex.

So cruel to put a cold blooded terrorist who killed dozens of innocent people to death, yeah not so much. But then again, abortion isnt cruel, its working. 37% of pregnancies in DC end in abortions, but yet, its working.

Seriously shut up about abortion. According to your supposed Christian values you should be preaching forgiveness even for terrorists not getting excited for the death penalty.

Separate church & state, neither are Christian issues. The only religious issue that the left likes to impose on people is money related. Instead of a flat tax, lets have a BS progressive tax so the higher earners carry the brunt of the weight for the lower ones.

[dckingsfan]

SO why are there so many Dems that think this guy named Lee Boyd Malvo didnt deserve to be put to death? He's a mass murderer as well. But somehow, killing him would be cruel

No that isn't the stupidity of the death penalty. It is vastly more expensive to go through the death penalty process than to just put someone in prison for life. The death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment to tax payers as is most of the prison industrial complex.

So cruel to put a cold blooded terrorist who killed dozens of innocent people to death, yeah not so much. But then again, abortion isnt cruel, its working. 37% of pregnancies in DC end in abortions, but yet, its working.

You are a not tax and spend R - just using other peoples hard earned income on projects that for which you have no remedy. And you are bitter that the other side's plan is working... you plan would be very costly - jailing millions - how are you going to pay for that?

[daoneandonly]

What needs to change is the amount of time people are on death row. In cases where there's not any doubt whatsoever, those guys should be killed as soon as the gavel hits and the words we find the defendant guilty are uttered.

And again, not beating a dead horse, your opinion of something working is just that, an opinion. 37% is not many people's idea of working, thats a huge number

[Zonkerbl]

Yea because Katie Hill has proven to be an honest, innocent bystander caught in the crossfire. She made her bed, now she can lie in it. But once again, play the victim card and cry misogyny, perhaps if she wasnt stupid enough to take the pics, there would be no substantiated evidence.

Hold up? Didn’t you claim that Kavanugh was innocent despite multiple credible claims against him? How are you not giving Katie Hill the benefit of the doubt? Your misogyny is showing

Isnt there picture evidence of her? Pretty substantial difference there, like I dont even understand how its debatable. She mentioned in her resignation cryade about the pictures And these pictures and talk didnt come out as soon as she put her name in the hat, unlike the allegations that suddenly surfaced when Kavanaugh was set to be in the SCOTUS.

Ignore that major piece of the puzzle

JFC dude. She was in a consensual three-way relationship and they took nude pictures. Then the criminal ex hubby sold those pictures to a right wing publication so they could use the pictures to revenge porn her out of office.

Shut the hell up about stuff you know nothing about. Unless you are saying she is guilty *automatically* because nude pictures of her in a consensual relationship exist. She's not accused of raping someone like Kavanaugh was, so your both sidesing this is complete horsecrap.