Trade Thread #7: The Tide is Turning, but still Myles to go

[ConstableGeneva]

As of right now we have 13 players under contract:

Kemba / Pritchard / Edwards
Smart / Nesmith / Langford
Brown / Semi / Green
Tatum / Grant
Theis / R Williams

Total salary of $106,181,506. That is $26,445,494 below the luxury tax line. It's $32,746,494 below the apron which would be the hard cap to use the full MLE vs tax payers.

Turner makes $18M. If we take back McDermott we're still below the tax. Or we could dump him omg a 3rd team and be able to use the basically the whole MLE while avoiding the tax. Or we could go over the tax slightly to use all of it, but that doesn't seem smart. Or we could replace Semi with a rookie (not vet) minimum and use the whole thing while below the tax. We could waive Jevonte Green and split the MLE between two players.

Kemba/Smart/Brown/Tatum/Turner/Theis are 6 proven rotation guys. Playoff rotations are 8-9 guys. I'm sorry but between the MLE split up however we want and all the 1st round picks on the roster it should not be an issue finding a 7th, 8th and 9th man.

Robert Williams is the most veteran player coming off the bench.

That honour would belong to Semi, but you do make a great point

Elevate Grant Williams to a starting spot. Smart, a 7-yr vet, would lead your bench. But you two make a great point.

[AgentGreen]

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Could turnout to be a steal for their bench unit. Solid move.

Meanwhile Celtics fans...

[GoCeltics123]

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[Celtics_Champs]

Does Van Fleet plan on re-signing with Toronto? How has he not been picked up yet?

Edit: VanVleet.

[hugepatsfan]

My guess is this... The reported IND offer is actually Turner/McDemrott and Leaf. No one cares about Leaf because he sucks, but he's actually very important in real terms because of this:

Turner/McDermott/Leaf for Hayward is going to save IND from the tax but put Boston in the luxury tax after the deal. With Tatum's extension looming and Turner being a long term deal, this will trigger not only huge tax charge in '21-22, but a huge REPEATER rate tax charge in '22-23.

Turner/McDermott with no Leaf means Boston stays below the tax, but now IND is in it. They presumably want to keep Dipo at a big deal which would push them into the tax next year. For a team that historically doesn't pay tax at all, I'm sure they would want to push going into the tax off a year

I'm sure Ainge is saying that he'd take back enough salary to go into the tax for good players, but he's not taking an overpaid McDermott and useless Leaf to do so. So he's saying he'd give up Hayward+ to get back Dipo or Warren as the second contract. IND is saying they don't want to move 2 starters for Hayward.

My guess is the compromise is a 3rd and maybe even 4th team where some of that salary goes. Leaf gets dumped into cap space or a trade exception for some 2nds that either BOS or Indy pay. BOS either reluctantly accepts McDermott over what figures to be a more fruitful MLE signing, or they salary dump him somewhere too (or he goes somewhere for a player under contract or S&T that BOS like better for similar money).

[yeleven11]

Does Van Fleet plan on re-signing with Toronto? How has he not been picked up yet?

Edit: VanVleet.

He's probably down to NY or Toronto barring a surprise sign&trade with an over the cap team.

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[ConstableGeneva]

Would rather have Wanamaker on the Theis deal ($10M/2 yrs, 2nd non-guaranteed) than what DJ Augustin got from Milwaukee.

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[vct33]

What assets would you be willing to give up to get back Sabonis instead of Turner?

[ConstableGeneva]

Giannis already packing his bags after reading the Augustin and Portis signings.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Indy has no leverage. Hayward has no leverage. Boston has no leverage.

This is 3 people, operating in good faith, where there really isnt a deal. Someone is going to have to make a bad deal to get this done.

There is no deal here IMO unless you can convince Boston that turner is a positive asset that will improve the Team materially.

Or

Have Indiana give up a budding high end scorer

Or

Hayward takes a massive pay cut to sign with Indy.


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I think out of the 3, Boston has the most leverage. Hayward loses leverage when each team with capspace left spends money. He's not leaving Boston to play for the Hornets or Knicks.

And Indiana loses leverage each day knowing that Oladipo is damaged goods, and that Hayward is their best shot at landing a good wing player if/when Oladipo leaves. Even when the Pacers are flush with capspace, the only FA that would willingly go there will be locked into a deal with the Celtics.

Give us a pick, a pick swap, or Goga if you really want us to take McDermott. Danny shouldn't even answer the calls unless the Pacers give in on one of those demands.

In the meantime, Danny should be working the phones looking for a Center and a veteran PG.

[GoCeltics123]

What assets would you be willing to give up to get back Sabonis instead of Turner?

A lot but no chance that happens

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Giannis and his smug face is getting sucker punched for sure

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[Roddy]

Augustin is actually a very good pick-up. Solid player

[sully00]

The Hawks or Knicks can still get Hayward in a sign and trade if he's willing to go to either of those two places. That way Hayward gets more money.

Would Hayward be willing to go to Golden State? How about Hayward (at $25M), Langford, rights to Nesmith for Wiggins, rights to Wiseman.

Lux Tax teams can't complete a sign and trade.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Anyhow, I'm gonna go shovel my driveway. Fully expecting all mayhem to let loose as soon as I step away from my phone. See you guys soon. Lol

[hugepatsfan]

What assets would you be willing to give up to get back Sabonis instead of Turner?

None. Turner is a better fit in a low usage role where he's the only big man. His defensive skill set and off ball shooting are just better.

[Celtics_Champs]

Better happen soon, BYU football starts at 3. Ainge will be taking a break to watch that.

[yeleven11]

The Hawks or Knicks can still get Hayward in a sign and trade if he's willing to go to either of those two places. That way Hayward gets more money.

Would Hayward be willing to go to Golden State? How about Hayward (at $25M), Langford, rights to Nesmith for Wiggins, rights to Wiseman.

Lux Tax teams can't complete a sign and trade.

Yeah they can, just need to stay under the hard cap (138M) but for Golden State it's basically impossible to stay under the hard cap with their contracts.