PG: Clippers at Knicks

[booyaka_jones]

But those combo guards like murray can pass better then IQ.

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That's just false. Quickley is posting a higher assist % than Murray has ever done in his career. He also has a lower turnover % while having a higher usage. He's also averaging 5 assist per 36 minutes.

He's a scorer first but he is a great playmaker, that also does not turn the ball over.

those stats are very misleading

1) Murray plays off-ball a lot w/ Jokic as the primary initiator, whereas IQ plays more on-ball (IQ's usage higher than any season of Murray)

2) IQ has a better AST/TO ratio than Trae Young....doesn't mean he's a better passer than Trae Young

passing is more than just the #'s

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check out this vid. Murray makes some creative passes that we just haven't seen from IQ

He’s a rookie who’s being asked to be the lead scorer off the bench, not be a facilitator. This whole conversation is ridiculous lol

[dakomish23]

And you know Thibs wants that transition bucket. They need to do it. Open floor is when Obi is unlocked too.

I know it will hurt the defense, but I’d love to see them go with a small ball unit with Obi at C.

Maybe

IQ
Rivers
Burks
Knox
Obi

Just get out and run off everything. A ton of spacing and PnR with Obi plus he can step out and stretch when someone else drives.

It would be fine as is if these backup C would get out of the way but they stay camped in the lane and are always used as the roll guy even though they can’t do anything with it if they got it

I'm good w/o seeing Obi at C. they'd get killed defensively

having good rim protection is what has largely fueled this team playing above expectations

That’s the give and take. Your 2nd unit offense could explode without these useless backup C but your defense suffers

[dakomish23]

Kdot metric update

Payton - 3rd on the team in FGA
236 pts 243 FGA

Bullock - 6th on the team in FGA
133 pts 128 FGA

Our starting backcourt

[evevale]

Kdot metric update

Payton - 3rd on the team in FGA
236 pts 243 FGA

Bullock - 6th on the team in FGA
133 pts 128 FGA

Our starting backcourt

Holy good god that is horrendous

[Jeff Van Gully]

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Yeent have to do him like that. Haha.

But yo... who is frustrated?!

[K_ick_God]

I like the way Q sees the floor. He’s hella aggressive as a scorer but sees the floor.

[YouthMovement]

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eh, thats generic praise. Im fine with it cuz opponents dont need to be gushing, but still

kawhi is a generic guy though

[BugginOut]

But those combo guards like murray can pass better then IQ.

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That's just false. Quickley is posting a higher assist % than Murray has ever done in his career. He also has a lower turnover % while having a higher usage. He's also averaging 5 assist per 36 minutes.

He's a scorer first but he is a great playmaker, that also does not turn the ball over.

those stats are very misleading

1) Murray plays off-ball a lot w/ Jokic as the primary initiator, whereas IQ plays more on-ball (IQ's usage higher than any season of Murray)

2) IQ has a better AST/TO ratio than Trae Young....doesn't mean he's a better passer than Trae Young

passing is more than just the #'s

Watch on YouTube

check out this vid. Murray makes some creative passes that we just haven't seen from IQ

I've watched the video and yeah Murray has a couple nice passes, but nothing amazing. Most of them are slip passes to Jokic in the P&R. It's nothing special and their connection and chemistry probably helps Murray recognize the pass. I'd definitely say IQ is the better playmaker on a small sample size.

No one is saying IQ is as good as Trae. Obviously Trae is the better passer, but Ast/To matters a lot for a guard who isn't pass first. I'd much rather have a PG who averages 5 assist per game with 1.5 TO's, than one who averages 10 but gives you 5 TO's.

Quickley has shown flashes to prove that down the line his passing won't hurt you. We have seen him have great connection on lobs with Noel, kick it out to shooters and even find RJ and Randle cutting to the rim. That's all we need him to do, he doesn't have to be CP3, Rubio or LaMelo.

If Quickley averages between 5 to 6 assist in his prime than I say that will be enough for him to play a starting role on any team. Especially if his scoring continues to improve.

[knickstape4ever]

That's just false. Quickley is posting a higher assist % than Murray has ever done in his career. He also has a lower turnover % while having a higher usage. He's also averaging 5 assist per 36 minutes.

He's a scorer first but he is a great playmaker, that also does not turn the ball over.

those stats are very misleading

1) Murray plays off-ball a lot w/ Jokic as the primary initiator, whereas IQ plays more on-ball (IQ's usage higher than any season of Murray)

2) IQ has a better AST/TO ratio than Trae Young....doesn't mean he's a better passer than Trae Young

passing is more than just the #'s

Watch on YouTube

check out this vid. Murray makes some creative passes that we just haven't seen from IQ

I've watched the video and yeah Murray has a couple nice passes, but nothing amazing. Most of them are slip passes to Jokic in the P&R. It's nothing special and their connection and chemistry probably helps Murray recognize the pass. I'd definitely say IQ is the better playmaker on a small sample size.

No one is saying IQ is as good as Trae. Obviously Trae is the better passer, but Ast/To matters a lot for a guard who isn't pass first. I'd much rather have a PG who averages 5 assist per game with 1.5 TO's, than one who averages 10 but gives you 5 TO's.

Quickley has shown flashes to prove that down the line his passing won't hurt you. We have seen him have great connection on lobs with Noel, kick it out to shooters and even find RJ and Randle cutting to the rim. That's all we need him to do, he doesn't have to be CP3, Rubio or LaMelo.

If Quickley averages between 5 to 6 assist in his prime than I say that will be enough for him to play a starting role on any team. Especially if his scoring continues to improve.

wasn't saying IQ isn't a good passer. he is, but Jamal is just a better, more creative passer IMO who utilizes live-dibble passing which IQ doesn't

[Clyde_Style]

RJ having a real good game against Kawhi is one of the best indicators that this stretch he is on isn't an aberration. We have a real one.

RJ plays a whole lot like Kahwi.

[Guano]

RJ having a real good game against Kawhi is one of the best indicators that this stretch he is on isn't an aberration. We have a real one.

RJ plays a whole lot like Kahwi.

they have the same energy on the court, too - both are very stoic.

[Clyde_Style]

RJ having a real good game against Kawhi is one of the best indicators that this stretch he is on isn't an aberration. We have a real one.

RJ plays a whole lot like Kahwi.

they have the same energy on the court, too - both are very stoic.

RJ is maybe an inch shorter and ten lbs or less lighter, so even their physical profiles sync up. When RJ's back to the basket post-up game and three point % reach Kahwi's levels I really don't see that there will be that much difference between them aside from RJ having to prove he's clutch in big games. I don't know how big RJ's hands are, but probably not as huge as Kahwi's.

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eh, thats generic praise. Im fine with it cuz opponents dont need to be gushing, but still

kawhi is a generic guy though

I don’t think I’ve heard Leonard say that many words ever

[Clyde_Style]

The issue with Obi is that I don’t think we are running many plays right now. I don’t expect that to come until next season. Right now it seems like we are focused on effort, defense, culture and seeing what each player is good at.

And I think that's fine.

He doesn't have a role on the team with his current skill set. The pace the team plays at isn't ideal for him either.

He will need to work on his shot and defense in the off-season. Plenty of players have had break-out 2nd or 3rd years.

Until then, I'll live with the results as long as shows effort.

For all the crap I've given Obi

He played PG in HS
He grew 4 inches while playing a year in prep school - so that makes him 19 years old there. That's where he started to train as a "big"
Academic redshirt as a freshman. 20 years old.
Two years in college playing as a PF/C type - 22 years old.

He's a bit more of a project than people might realize.

There still may be an issue with future NBA position and he's definitely not the most "versatile" player positionally, but he has nice advanced guard like skills for a big - seeing the floor, passing, some handle, and then the obvious athleticism.
He's a project. He's going to take 2 full seasons to get to wherever it is he's going, NBA wise.

Yeah, he's a project, but that doesn't mean he won't pan out. I'd probably roll with Obi over Knox since it is year three for him. Send Knox in a trade and give Obi some time to develop.

Truth is RJ was in project mode until he started clicking a month ago.

Obi has a weird body type for the NBA. I probably wouldn't have picked him if I had been in the FO and researched his physical attributes. But I also think he is not a mature player despite the peanut gallery wanting to harp on him being 22. He literally needs to grow into his body and train himself for the NBA game. Knicks need to get him the right trainer to condition and strengthen him this off-season. It could do wonders for his game.

[F N 11]

Okay, now go out and beat the bulls and learn to stagger.

[Clyde_Style]

IQ will never be a PG he's your 6th man spark of the bench type player.

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This is total nonsense. Neither you nor I know what this kid can be with continued play time and experience. He’s a scorer first and foremost cuz he plays with the 2nd unit? That’s literally his job in the 2nd unit because no one else on the bench can score or dribble penetrate like he can. You notice how he slows down the shot attempts and moves the ball around more when he stays out with the starters? Right now he’s not being asked to facilitate. He’s being asked to provide scoring off the bench. At least let the kid play with the starters for extended periods of time to see whether he can play your more traditional pg role.

Speaking of, this idea of a traditional PG is outdated. The best PGs on the league are shoot first combo guards. A lot of us are old heads so we still have the old floor general trope stuck in our heads and we have fond memories of guys like Charlie Ward but, those days are gone. You need PGs now that attack and shoot. The rest of the game opens up for everyone else in the lineup when you have that.

PG requires discernment. If IQ has the discernment to know when to set up his teammates vs. when to create his own shots, then he'll have the ability and skills to be the Knicks starting PG.

But it doesn't actually matter if he starts next to RJ since they can play off of each other and both facilitate.

If the Knicks want to run RJ as the SF, then IQ can be the SG/Combo Guard and you could slot in a more traditional PG.

TBH, I'd really like to see what a starting line-up of

IQ
Frank
RJ
Mitch
Randle

could do together. That'd be a balanced unit on both ends of the floor with IQ being the primary ball handler and Frank providing 3 & D

[Clyde_Style]

eh, thats generic praise. Im fine with it cuz opponents dont need to be gushing, but still

kawhi is a generic guy though

I don’t think I’ve heard Leonard say that many words ever

I ran that quote through the Robot Language Translator to get a better feel for how Kahwi actually sounded like when he said that:

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[Capn'O]

I wouldn't complain about signing one either...that Gary Trent Jr kid, for example

Blazers love notwithstanding, the Knicks have GOT to start bringing in guys like that. Trent would be a great addition.

idk hes been ABSURDLY erratic this year...I take Huerter over GTJ every time

Is Huerter a FA option?

[Capn'O]

I wouldn't complain about signing one either...that Gary Trent Jr kid, for example

Blazers love notwithstanding, the Knicks have GOT to start bringing in guys like that. Trent would be a great addition.

I'm really hoping that we sign him or Horton-Tucker. An IQ - GTJ/THT - RJ - Julius - Mitch starting lineup should be a playoff team. Meaning we could be patient with our picks and let them beat out Knox & Frank for bench gigs alongside Obi & Burks / Bullock / Noel (or other cheap depth-FAs like that), to start out.

THT would be a better get. Absolutely.