Possible reasons for the Lowry S&T hold up (Powell, WCS from DAL for Dragic)

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I really hope this is what is happening. That TPE could be an incredible asset. You know Bobby is doing cap acrobatics to optimize this situation. Decision on Baynes is 5pm?

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Also; Orlando signed RoLo and brought back No Wagner....looks like either Carter of Bamba is expendable. Even options like Tony Bradley are off the board. What does Orlando need to send us Bamba?

[Mikistan]

Nothing on paper?
Nothing decided.

thats true; but none of the reported signings/trades are official/on paper anyways till the 6th

But the Heat picking up Dragic's option is offical.

If they could find a team to absorb Dragic's entire contract, would they be able to sign Kyle Outright at his asking price?

Even if they renounced dragic and didn't sign any of their other guys they still could not have signed Lowry for the dollars he is getting in the snt.

Lowry and woj Tweeted it out there so early that now they are locked in or it gets fishy, Raptors have all the leverage

[Mikistan]

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I really hope this is what is happening. That TPE could be an incredible asset. You know Bobby is doing cap acrobatics to optimize this situation. Decision on Baynes is 5pm?

Pretty sure almost every tpe we have ever had has expired unused so I expect nothing to happen with it 12 months from now

[douggood]

thats true; but none of the reported signings/trades are official/on paper anyways till the 6th

But the Heat picking up Dragic's option is offical.

If they could find a team to absorb Dragic's entire contract, would they be able to sign Kyle Outright at his asking price?

Even if they renounced dragic and didn't sign any of their other guys they still could not have signed Lowry for the dollars he is getting in the snt.

Lowry and woj Tweeted it out there so early that now they are locked in or it gets fishy, Raptors have all the leverage

they did have the cap space, they had 27 mil cap space to sign him outright

the dragic option pick up and s&t was reported withing hour of each other

2:45 pm woj tweets option picked up
3:36 woj says s&t is done

[Mikistan]

But the Heat picking up Dragic's option is offical.

If they could find a team to absorb Dragic's entire contract, would they be able to sign Kyle Outright at his asking price?

Even if they renounced dragic and didn't sign any of their other guys they still could not have signed Lowry for the dollars he is getting in the snt.

Lowry and woj Tweeted it out there so early that now they are locked in or it gets fishy, Raptors have all the leverage

they did have the cap space, they had 27 mil cap space to sign him outright

the dragic option pick up and s&t was reported withing 15 min of each other

Yes you keep repeating that. But again it would have been less money and they would have had less options for other signings.

Basically the Raptors are helping Kyle and helping Miami, so they have all the right to be fairly compensated.

And if they want to play hardball we could just not do the trade period.

[douggood]

Even if they renounced dragic and didn't sign any of their other guys they still could not have signed Lowry for the dollars he is getting in the snt.

Lowry and woj Tweeted it out there so early that now they are locked in or it gets fishy, Raptors have all the leverage

they did have the cap space, they had 27 mil cap space to sign him outright

the dragic option pick up and s&t was reported withing 15 min of each other

Yes you keep repeating that. But again it would have been less money and they would have had less options for other signings.

Basically the Raptors are helping Kyle and helping Miami, so they have all the right to be fairly compensated.

And if they want to play hardball we could just not do the trade period.

kyle is making the same money s&t or not; take kyle of the equation

what is the compensation for heat getting flexibility to sign tucker/morris and some other small moves.

both teams used the kyle going to miami to get something more out of it.

both teams were going to be worst off with a straight signing.

[Mikistan]

they did have the cap space, they had 27 mil cap space to sign him outright

the dragic option pick up and s&t was reported withing 15 min of each other

Yes you keep repeating that. But again it would have been less money and they would have had less options for other signings.

Basically the Raptors are helping Kyle and helping Miami, so they have all the right to be fairly compensated.

And if they want to play hardball we could just not do the trade period.

kyle is making the same money s&t or not; take kyle of the equation

what is the compensation for heat getting flexibility to sign tucker/morris and some other small moves.

Or I will keep Kyle in the equation because the deal is based on Kyle being in the equation, thanks.

[douggood]

Yes you keep repeating that. But again it would have been less money and they would have had less options for other signings.

Basically the Raptors are helping Kyle and helping Miami, so they have all the right to be fairly compensated.

And if they want to play hardball we could just not do the trade period.

kyle is making the same money s&t or not; take kyle of the equation

what is the compensation for heat getting flexibility to sign tucker/morris and some other small moves.

Or I will keep Kyle in the equation because the deal is based on Kyle being in the equation, thanks.

thats the mistake people are making
kyle was gone in any scenario to miami; when you start with the basic premise the moves make sense.

[Mikistan]

kyle is making the same money s&t or not; take kyle of the equation

what is the compensation for heat getting flexibility to sign tucker/morris and some other small moves.

Or I will keep Kyle in the equation because the deal is based on Kyle being in the equation, thanks.

thats the mistake people are making
kyle was gone in any scenario to miami

The moment dragic option got picked up the game changed.

Never mind the fact that Miami wasn't even able to negotiate Kyle going there before that, your hypothetical situations of him going or not going either way don't exist in real life.

In real life the only way Miami gets him is with a sign and trade. So in other words we have the leverage. If it falls apart then Kyle Lowry is **** out of luck for Miami end of story.

[douggood]

Or I will keep Kyle in the equation because the deal is based on Kyle being in the equation, thanks.

thats the mistake people are making
kyle was gone in any scenario to miami

The moment dragic option got picked up the game changed.

Never mind the fact that Miami wasn't even able to negotiate Kyle going there before that, your hypothetical situations of him going or not going either way don't exist in real life.

In real life the only way Miami gets him is with a sign and trade. So in other words we have the leverage. If it falls apart then Kyle Lowry is **** out of luck for Miami end of story.

the option was picked up when the s&t and all the negotiation were final

go look at woj timeline and time stamps

iggy was reported morning (decline)
dragic in afternoon and within the hour the s&t

yes there is the rule of cba of no negotiations before 6pm and then there is what actually happens.

[Mikistan]

thats the mistake people are making
kyle was gone in any scenario to miami

The moment dragic option got picked up the game changed.

Never mind the fact that Miami wasn't even able to negotiate Kyle going there before that, your hypothetical situations of him going or not going either way don't exist in real life.

In real life the only way Miami gets him is with a sign and trade. So in other words we have the leverage. If it falls apart then Kyle Lowry is **** out of luck for Miami end of story.

the option was picked up when the s&t and all the negotiation were final

go look at woj timeline and time stamps

iggy was reported morning
dragic in afternoon and within the hour the s&t

Reported without half the deal being known or completed... Because some agents leak to woj doesn't mean its final. How many front offices and agents leak to woj to create pressure or change their market.


But go ahead a quote me again and repeat **** again

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I really hope this is what is happening. That TPE could be an incredible asset. You know Bobby is doing cap acrobatics to optimize this situation. Decision on Baynes is 5pm?

Pretty sure almost every tpe we have ever had has expired unused so I expect nothing to happen with it 12 months from now

This isn't true at all.

While you are right that we have never made some big splash using the TPE to absorb a high profile player, we have used all kinds of them to grease the wheels on trades and make things function in a way that leaves us with the best roster+salary flexibility possible.

The Demar trade to SAS for example, used a TPE to absorb Danny Green fully, and then send Demar+Poeltl for Kawhi. It appears in the media as one bigger deal, but as is frequently the case, the details of the deal are more complicated.

[bluerap23]

Miami could not sign Kyle outright for 30 million. NOP were offering 30x3 and Miami had to find a way to match it.

[douggood]

The moment dragic option got picked up the game changed.

Never mind the fact that Miami wasn't even able to negotiate Kyle going there before that, your hypothetical situations of him going or not going either way don't exist in real life.

In real life the only way Miami gets him is with a sign and trade. So in other words we have the leverage. If it falls apart then Kyle Lowry is **** out of luck for Miami end of story.

the option was picked up when the s&t and all the negotiation were final

go look at woj timeline and time stamps

iggy was reported morning
dragic in afternoon and within the hour the s&t

Reported without half the deal being known or completed... Because some agents leak to woj doesn't mean its final. How many front offices and agents leak to woj to create pressure or change their market.


But go ahead a quote me again and repeat **** again

nothing is final right now; many teams and players have leverage and can balk/renegotiate up till the 6th; but in practicality its not going to happen.
the demar s&t will collapse; come aug6th the spurs ask for another 1st
the lonzo ball double s&t will collapse, because the pelicans have all the leverage, they can just match

[Rapsfan07]

the option was picked up when the s&t and all the negotiation were final

go look at woj timeline and time stamps

iggy was reported morning
dragic in afternoon and within the hour the s&t

Reported without half the deal being known or completed... Because some agents leak to woj doesn't mean its final. How many front offices and agents leak to woj to create pressure or change their market.


But go ahead a quote me again and repeat **** again

nothing is final right now; many teams and players have leverage and can balk/renegotiate up till the 6th; but in practicality its not going to happen.
the demar s&t will collapse; come aug6th the spurs ask for another 1st
the lonzo ball double s&t will collapse, because the pelicans have all the leverage, they can just match

They could collapse, but in all liklihood, I don't think it does.

Teams have/haven't made certain moves that revolve around these already "completed" deals.

Is it legally possible to back out? Yes. Is it going to happen? I seriously don't think so.

[Rapsfan07]

Miami could not sign Kyle outright for 30 million. NOP were offering 30x3 and Miami had to find a way to match it.

Correct. We should put that fallacy to bed right away.

Lowry could not have been signed outright by the Heat. The Heat would need to renounce all of their capholds (expirings and RFAs) in order to open up that space. Even then still, I don't think they had $30M.

So the Heat needed to do a S&T. Otherwise, Lowry would have likely chosen the Pels as they were the biggest other players in the market.

[Psubs]

Raptors have the full MLE so ant TPE less than that I don't really care for. Just split the MLE. There are no FA's left that would sign with Toronto making more than the MLE.

Give Birch the BAE for 2 years with 2nd year player option.

[Mikistan]

the option was picked up when the s&t and all the negotiation were final

go look at woj timeline and time stamps

iggy was reported morning
dragic in afternoon and within the hour the s&t

Reported without half the deal being known or completed... Because some agents leak to woj doesn't mean its final. How many front offices and agents leak to woj to create pressure or change their market.


But go ahead a quote me again and repeat **** again

nothing is final right now; many teams and players have leverage and can balk/renegotiate up till the 6th; but in practicality its not going to happen.
the demar s&t will collapse; come aug6th the spurs ask for another 1st
the lonzo ball double s&t will collapse, because the pelicans have all the leverage, they can just match

Since you are a twitter expert let me know if the lonzo and demar transactions are being reported with delays like Lowry's...

No? Ok then why do you use them as strawman arguments?

Remember when Michael Jordan backed out of the Calderon for Tyson chandler trade? Oh ya no one ever dealt with the bobcats/Hornets ever again right

[Mikistan]

Miami could not sign Kyle outright for 30 million. NOP were offering 30x3 and Miami had to find a way to match it.

Correct. We should put that fallacy to bed right away.

Lowry could not have been signed outright by the Heat. The Heat would need to renounce all of their capholds (expirings and RFAs) in order to open up that space. Even then still, I don't think they had $30M.

So the Heat needed to do a S&T. Otherwise, Lowry would have likely chosen the Pels as they were the biggest other players in the market.

I'm gonna wait for Doug to respond to this with some twitter timestamps