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Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place?

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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#221 » by JLop » Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:20 pm

Why the Miami Heat are a sleeping giant with every marker of a top-shelf title contender

The Heat have risen to the top of the Eastern Conference, and now their horses are getting healthy

By Brad Botkin

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After his Miami Heat fell to the 76ers last Saturday in a game in which they shot just 25 percent from 3 -- a stark departure from the red-hot shooting that helped carry them through Bam Adebayo's near seven-week absence -- coach Erik Spoelstra said he actually enjoys the games that don't follow a blueprint, that force you to find "a different solution" and "different ways to win."

If this is true, then Spoelstra must be loving the heck out of this season. Entering play on Friday, the Heat are tied with Chicago atop the Eastern Conference and one of just two teams -- the other being Phoenix, and Spoelstra has gotten them to this point by shuffling his lineups and rotations on an almost nightly basis.

It's not how it was supposed to go. Coming into the season, depth was thought to be a sore spot for Miami, which was seemingly set to rely heavily on the Jimmy Butler-Kyle Lowry-Adebayo triumvirate while hoping for a big season from Tyler Herro. They have gotten the latter from Herro, but Butler and Adebayo have combined to miss 42 games while the three stars have suited up on the same night just 14 times.

On the fly and in varying capacities, Spoelstra has turned to the no-name likes of Max Strus, Gabe Vincent, rookie Omer Yurtseven and Caleb Martin, and every one of them has come up aces. Suddenly the Heat, who've managed to go 14-8 without Adebayo and 11-4 without Adebayo and Butler, look like a team that can, and very well might, go 10 deep in a playoff series. And now the horses are getting healthy.

Still, nobody's really talking about them.

Right now, the Bulls and Cavs are everyone's favorite surprise stories. The Nets are a walking headline. The Bucks are the defending champs. The Sixers couldn't fly under the radar if they wanted to with all the Ben Simmons drama. The Warriors, though in a funk of late, have the Splash Brothers back. The Lakers are the talk of the league, if for all the wrong reasons.

All the while, it's the Heat who quietly boast all the markers of championship contention as one of just two teams -- with the other being Phoenix, which owns the best record in the league -- to boast a top-seven offensive, defensive and net rating. They have 13 clutch wins (a top-five mark), 14 road wins (second-most in the conference) and a league-high 15 wins over .500-or-better teams.

You aren't going to find many, if any, holes in Miami's profile just as you won't find many on its roster. On this team, everyone does everything. Pretty much every player Spoelstra puts on the floor can at least functionally shoot, pass, dribble and defend, and most of them do it all on a high level.

And they do everything at full speed. That's something that really stands out watching them. They're not going through the motions out there. They're not a team that runs in a traditional sense, but don't mistake that for a methodical pace. The Heat apply constant pressure on defenses by cutting hard, coming around screens and handoffs hard, driving and kicking and picking and rolling until a good shot becomes a great one. Exhibit A:

Pay no mind to the missed shot. That's a top-shelf look. That shot is how the Heat led the league with 15.2 made 3-pointers per game, on a 40-percent clip, during Adebayo's absence. What you should pay attention to is the pass that started the sequence: Duncan Robinson drawing two defenders before finding Adebayo rolling deep into the lane. Once that initial breach is made, the Blazers are on the run, and from that point, Miami owns the possession.

Miami is such an impressive passing team. They create 66.9 points per game via assists, the sixth-best mark in the league. They're top 10 in passes per game, assists and secondary assists. But so often it's that first pass, the one that doesn't always show up on a stat sheet but punctures the defense so deeply that its collapse becomes inevitable.

Here's Vincent finding a hard-cutting Strus to get this possession rolling.

Again, disregard the miss from Kyle Guy, a 10-day contract player who can also, you guessed it, shoot, pass and dribble (Guy is an NBA player and will eventually stick somewhere). Also, that kick-out pass from Strus off the cut was elite. That ball had barely been on his fingertips before he was rerouting it and avoiding a charge all at the same time.

There are teams that make a lot of passes and there are teams that do a lot with the passes they make, and Miami does both. They threaten you with their passes, each one moving you a little more out of position like a surgical tennis player setting you up for a kill shot.

For the Heat, that's often a 3-pointer. They make 13.4 of them per game (sixth-best in the league) at a 37.4-percent-clip (tied with Atlanta for No. 2 in the league), and few are of the self-created variety. They're the culmination of possessions like the ones above. Miami's 31.4 catch-and-shoot points per game ranks third league-wide.

It makes for an interesting contrast, this team that benefits so greatly from the power of 3-pointers on offense is also willing to surrender so many of them to its opponents. Defensively, 43.3 percent of the shots Miami gives up are 3s, the highest mark in the league per Cleaning the Glass.

The Heat prioritize protecting the paint, in part by having their big, strong wings like Tucker and Butler dig down on drivers and swarming to the ball the closer it gets to the basket, and it works: Miami gives up just 14.8 points per game inside five feet, the fewest in the league.

But don't let that number, or the high volume of 3s they allow, trick you into believing they just let teams cast away with free rein. Miami plays defense with the same pace, force and multiple efforts that define its offense. When those wings dig down, they also recover and rotate hard out to the temporarily vacated shooters. They might invite you to shoot a lot of 3s, but they also strongly contest the vast majority of them.

In the clip below, Fred VanVleet crosses over Strus to gain a step of downhill leverage and breach the paint. With interior protection being Miami's priority, Tucker slides down to cut VanVleet off, then when the pass goes to corner he flies right back out to contest Scottie Barnes' shot.

Here Miami cuts off Philly's first couple actions (see Yurtseven jumping out to 30 feet on Seth Curry before racing back into position), then when Tobias Harris finally gets a slight angle to the rim, Strus slides into position to take a charge knowing that Butler is going to rotate to his shooter in the corner.

Every opposing coach that comes through Miami talks about what a tough team the Heat are to play, and this is why. They make you work for everything, on both ends. They're in the right places at the right times and they go hard.

But it's more than that. The romance of effort and focus only goes so far; the Heat are stacked, and they are perfectly constructed for the postseason with shooters, playmakers and versatile defenders everywhere, including a big in Adebayo who cannot be played off the floor under any circumstances and is one of the most capable Giannis Antetokounmpo defenders, to whatever extent that exists, in the league.

The Heat are deep and have two elite end-of-game creators in Butler and Lowry. They have a certified killer off the bench in Herro, who hunts his shots with a confidence and capability that belies a 22-year-old in just his third season. They have a championship coach.

So, why isn't anyone talking about this team? Perhaps toughness doesn't translate to television. Maybe their stars aren't of the most glamorous cut. All I know is the Heat are a sleeping giant that absolutely nobody is going to want to play come April, May and, if they stay healthy, quite possibly June.

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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#222 » by JLop » Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:27 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:I only have Young as a potential buyout. Blazers can find a trade for Covington. No guarantee Young wants to sign here either even if bought out. Might end up back in Chicago

Thaddeus Young at this point in his career is best used as a center for small-ball lineups. I also think Thaddeus Young will be available after negotiating his contract with the Spurs.

I like the idea of Robert Covington over Thad Young all things considered.

Well, Covington is faster than Thaddeus. I really like Caleb Martin for that position, but I think he plays better next to a center like Omer.
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Post#223 » by greg4012 » Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:25 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:I'm in the camp that Bam is not too small to play Center as long as he's protected by a PF who can bang down low to protect the paint when he's roaming the perimeter but the kicker is that PF needs to be able to shoot. PJ and his wide frame has no problem banging down low. We get exposed when we go super small with Bam on the floor at the PF spot. We had no issues with Yurtseven down low going super small cause he stays glued down low hunting rebounds. Markieff Morris made for a good pairing with Bam cause his 6'9 250 frame allows him to bang down low but he could also hit an outside shot. Bringing in Robert Covington would also make a solid pairing with Bam as he's not shy to bang down low and has a 7'2 wingspan. We all know that RoCO can also hit the 3 with consistency.


I generally agree with this. I really do think it also has to do with the incessant need to almost exclusively switch everything with Bam. It's a truly AWESOME thing to be able to do. But, we lost some scheme advantage when it's all we do with Bam. Let him own the paint every now and then. Mix it up and watch him shine even more on defense.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#224 » by gom » Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:08 pm

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DayofMourning wrote:All this Beal talk....man, I've got to change my avatar, lol.


Change it to Mitchell


I know I've said this at least a thousand times, but a Mitchell/Adebayo pairing would destroy the NBA. I want to see it.
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Post#225 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:09 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
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MettaWorldPanda wrote:I only have Young as a potential buyout. Blazers can find a trade for Covington. No guarantee Young wants to sign here either even if bought out. Might end up back in Chicago

Thaddeus Young at this point in his career is best used as a center for small-ball lineups. I also think Thaddeus Young will be available after negotiating his contract with the Spurs.

I like the idea of Robert Covington over Thad Young all things considered.


Blazers, Kings, and Pacers all seem to be solid trade partners for us depending on what we want (if we want to do anything at all).
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Post#226 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:10 pm

gom wrote:
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DayofMourning wrote:All this Beal talk....man, I've got to change my avatar, lol.


Change it to Mitchell


I know I've said this at least a thousand times, but a Mitchell/Adebayo pairing would destroy the NBA. I want to see it.


It’s going to happen, and with the Gobert/Mitchell beef every year it may be sooner rather than later. If he asks out they’ll want to send him East and our lord and savior Dwyane Wade will push him to Miami. If not through trade then FA, but it’s definitely happening at some point.
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Post#227 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:13 pm

gom wrote:
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DayofMourning wrote:All this Beal talk....man, I've got to change my avatar, lol.


Change it to Mitchell


I know I've said this at least a thousand times, but a Mitchell/Adebayo pairing would destroy the NBA. I want to see it.


Idk how extending Herro will work but this summer if Mitchell asks out we could technically send Duncan, Herro, Tucker and picks for Mitchell. Now if there’s any way to keep Tucker you obviously do whatever that takes.

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Literally tell Mitchell to average 30, Jimmy and Bam will still give you 20.
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Post#228 » by Heat_Down_Under » Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:27 pm

Because wade is part of the jazz franchise.. do you think he would not allow Mitchell to come here? Because everything didn’t go smoothly here for him and he might be holding a little grudge.. Or will he be the opposite?
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Post#229 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jan 22, 2022 12:08 am

Heat_Down_Under wrote:Because wade is part of the jazz franchise.. do you think he would not allow Mitchell to come here? Because everything didn’t go smoothly here for him and he might be holding a little grudge.. Or will he be the opposite?


Nah definitely not, that’s all been settled and done with. Hell, he was recruiting Jimmy to Miami literally right after all that stuff went down and he left for Chicago.
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Post#230 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jan 22, 2022 12:10 am

If there was a way for me to bet that Mitchell would play for the Heat one day I would put $1,000 on it and not be the least be nervous about it
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Post#231 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jan 22, 2022 12:29 am

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Post#232 » by puppa bear » Sat Jan 22, 2022 1:39 am

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Harry Giles (after a very bad injury) fell out of the top-10 and had the misfortune of being drafted by the Kings before moving on to the Clippers where he started working (in limited minutes oncourt) on getting range in the game. He shot the 3 at 35%. I don't know about his conditioning or whether it's worth the risk, but the downside does not seem steep. If we have another 10-day to hand out, I'd try him.

I love e potential of Giles, and was hoping we could pick him I’m up in the late 1st. I was also wanting OG in the first, plus one of Semi & Hartenstein in the second.
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Post#233 » by puppa bear » Sat Jan 22, 2022 1:51 am

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Heat_Down_Under wrote:Because wade is part of the jazz franchise.. do you think he would not allow Mitchell to come here? Because everything didn’t go smoothly here for him and he might be holding a little grudge.. Or will he be the opposite?


Nah definitely not, that’s all been settled and done with. Hell, he was recruiting Jimmy to Miami literally right after all that stuff went down and he left for Chicago.

There was also a report that Micky had spoken to him about buying into the Heat, but Wade wanted to go his own way with ownership. I feel like there’s no grudge being held there.
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Post#234 » by Wiltside » Sat Jan 22, 2022 3:06 am

Wade has ownership stake in the Jazz. No way does he want Mitchell to leave. That would signal a Utah rebuild and his equity stake declining.
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Post#235 » by oreon » Sat Jan 22, 2022 3:14 am

puppa bear wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Heat_Down_Under wrote:Because wade is part of the jazz franchise.. do you think he would not allow Mitchell to come here? Because everything didn’t go smoothly here for him and he might be holding a little grudge.. Or will he be the opposite?


Nah definitely not, that’s all been settled and done with. Hell, he was recruiting Jimmy to Miami literally right after all that stuff went down and he left for Chicago.

There was also a report that Micky had spoken to him about buying into the Heat, but Wade wanted to go his own way with ownership. I feel like there’s no grudge being held there.


I don't think there's a grudge either but I doubt Wade trusts the Arisons after they didn't pay him that year. If that split doesn't happen then he's probably a part owner of the Heat right now.
But ultimately in regards to Mitchell, he is his own man. Players move because of other players not part owners. So the key relationship is with Bam. If they are tight then Mitchell at some point will be a Heat player.
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Post#236 » by gom » Sat Jan 22, 2022 3:36 am

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Harry Giles (after a very bad injury) fell out of the top-10 and had the misfortune of being drafted by the Kings before moving on to the Clippers where he started working (in limited minutes oncourt) on getting range in the game. He shot the 3 at 35%. I don't know about his conditioning or whether it's worth the risk, but the downside does not seem steep. If we have another 10-day to hand out, I'd try him.

I love e potential of Giles, and was hoping we could pick him I’m up in the late 1st. I was also wanting OG in the first, plus one of Semi & Hartenstein in the second.
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Those are all players I really like too. Semi is such a tough guy to play against, but the NBA is so hard. Anunoby was one of my favorites. When we drafted Bam at 13, I was pissed. I thought he would go in the 20s. I'm so stupid sometimes.
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Post#237 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:37 am

Wiltside wrote:Wade has ownership stake in the Jazz. No way does he want Mitchell to leave. That would signal a Utah rebuild and his equity stake declining.


Believe it or not Utah fans would rather Mitchel be gone than Gobert. We can 3 team to get Mitchell and have someone like Beal go to Utah or something
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Post#238 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:38 am

gom wrote:
puppa bear wrote:
gom wrote:
Harry Giles (after a very bad injury) fell out of the top-10 and had the misfortune of being drafted by the Kings before moving on to the Clippers where he started working (in limited minutes oncourt) on getting range in the game. He shot the 3 at 35%. I don't know about his conditioning or whether it's worth the risk, but the downside does not seem steep. If we have another 10-day to hand out, I'd try him.

I love e potential of Giles, and was hoping we could pick him I’m up in the late 1st. I was also wanting OG in the first, plus one of Semi & Hartenstein in the second.
My record for draft crushes is pretty hit & miss.


Those are all players I really like too. Semi is such a tough guy to play against, but the NBA is so hard. Anunoby was one of my favorites. When we drafted Bam at 13, I was pissed. I thought he would go in the 20s. I'm so stupid sometimes.


I was livid when we drafted Herro :lol:
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Post#239 » by BenoUdrihFTL » Sat Jan 22, 2022 12:52 pm

Losing to the derpy Hawks was a heartbreaker especially since we had a chance to win without Klow, Herro and then PJ, but damn we'd be sitting pretty right now if the yoffs were to start today. Dropping that game and falling to 3rd would have us playing Philly (who I'm not the least bit scared of) in the first round then winner of Bulls/Hornets in the second while Nets and Bucks go to war in the 1/4 bracket. Then if the Nets prevail we'd get them in the ECF with Kyrie only sanctioned to play in 3 of 7 games since they'd have homecourt
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Post#240 » by BenoUdrihFTL » Sat Jan 22, 2022 1:29 pm

So with Yimmy missing over 39% of the season and numerous games left early to injury, Bam missing over 54%, Klow missing 7 games and ejected early in an 8th, Herro missing 8, PJ missing 6 and injured early in a 7th, Dipo missing 100% of the season so far... we're somehow:

- 5th in SRS, margin of victory, net rating
- 3rd in ORTG and 3P% (biggest surprise imo)
- 8th in DRTG (0.5 points from 5th)
- 7th best record in the NBA and 9-3 vs the other top 8 teams (Suns, Warriors, Grizz, Jazz, Nets, Bulls, Bucks)

Being on the cusp of a top 5 defensive team with our All-NBA defenders Yimmy and Bam missing so much time is just incredible. Offensively... wow. In the preseason predictions thread I said:
BenoUdrihFTL wrote:9) What will be the biggest surprise of the season? (positive or negative or both)
Top 5 defense and top 10 offense

And I thought at the time that top 10 offense might've been wishful thinking lol

I will say tho that while Yimmy missing so much time has definitely deflated our defense, I'm wondering if his absence might've inflated our 3P% and possibly consequently our ORTG since we've been replacing him with floor-spacing shooters that resulted in a completely different "spread" style offense than the one we've been accustomed to with the methodical Yimmy posing zero outside threat in grinding halfcourt sets. Butler is a tremendous floor raiser with his playmaking ability but the question is whether he limits your ceiling at some point with the spacing issues he creates as a high usage G/F who can't shoot. But ultimately, I'm not overly concerned because talent wins out in the playoffs and Yimmy is still our most talented player imo

With the state of the other EC contenders who are each dealing with their own issues that are likely to carry over into the playoffs, I expect a reasonably healthy Heat squad to be more than capable if not the outright favorite to dispatch anyone. Then out West, really the only concerns to me are a Warriors team if Klay returns to pre-injury form and Curry gets hot, Nuggets if Murray comes back 100% and replicates his bubble performance, and possibly the Clips if Kawhi returns and they have a full lineup. Suns and Jazz are pretenders imo, Lakers are a Lolshow, Grizzlies are intriguing but extremely young, and Dallas is still too reliant on a 22yo who's currently posting 43/29/75 shooting splits oof
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