**Fantasy Trade Thread** Updated for 2023

[Wiltside]

Bertans sucks, but he’s a year less than Duncan and taller. Sign me up.

[puppa bear]

Kyle Lowry is our only big attachable salary that I see us being able to use in trade in order to improve this year and even get us out of salary cap hell next year. Still think a trade with the Bulls is a win win for both sides. Unfortunately we are stuck with Duncan for the foreseeable future. Maybe we can pull a change of scenery deal with Dallas for Davis Bertans. I know Duncan has a fan in Mark Cuban so it's possible. I would also be fine with having the 6'10 Bertans on the bench instead giving us more depth in the front court. So to revisit the trade with Chicago.

Chicago deals

PG Coby White 6'4 (Expiring contract w bird rights) 7.4 mil
PG Goran Dragic 6'4 (Expiring) 1.8 mil
C Nikola Vucevic 6'10 (Expiring w bird rights) 22 mil
Future 2nd round pick

to Miami for

PG Kyle Lowry 6'0 (Expires after next year) 28 mil
SG Max Strus 6'5 (Expiring w bird rights) 1.8 mil
C Omer Yurtseven (Expiring w bird rights) 1.8 mil
Future 1st round pick

Why the Bulls do this?

Bulls look to get some value for players that are most likely to walk next year. They traded two first round picks to the Magic for Vucevic so I could see them looking to recoup at least one from us before he walks. Coby White has shown flashes of talent but doesn't seem to be a good fit as the Bulls have Ayo and Caruso. Bulls are in need of shooting so getting Max Strus who's a Illinois native and also former Bull makes for a nice homecoming. Could also see them wanting to retain him since shooting has been a major Achilles for that team.

Kyle Lowry coming on board gives them insurance for Lonzo Ball who seems to have something major going on with his knee that they can't even explain. Could possibly be a degenerative issue. In the mean time while he heals up the Bulls stay competitive with the presence of Lowry who also has an extra year on his deal. He's also best friends with DeMar DeRozan so a reunion with him just seems right and also looks good on our part making it seem like we did right by Kyle. Bulls will have close to 60 million in expiring's next year between DeRozan and Lowry making them once again major players in the trade market.

Omer Yurtseven coming back to them gives them an added big to evaluate behind Drummond and Bradley who will be filling in for the void of Vucevic. He should be back in the next few months so when he's healthy he'll be a solid young big to have into the fold and see if he may be a cheap piece to retain for the future.

Why the Heat do this?

Team is in desperate need of adding size to the front court and have very limited assets to do so. Lowry is the only big salary attachment with draft picks that teams would most likely be willing to bite on. Adding Vucevic to the front court would be a major addition as he has a very flexible game that should blend in with Bam due to his outside touch and also to have on the floor as a scoring big when Bam has to sit. He'll give out front court so many options and solve our greatest weakness. Coby White gives us a big 6'4 combo guard to compete for the starting role at PG left behind by Lowry.

Between White, Vincent, and Dragic we should be able to find combinations on a nightly basis to help fill the void left behind by Lowry. It also allows us to put the ball in Butler and Herro's hands more now that Lowry is out so not necessarily a bad thing especially with getting the help in the front court. As for Dragic, it would be a nice touch in this trade to bring him back where he belongs. It would feel almost similar to how we traded back for Wade. Dragic belongs and deserves to retire in a Miami Heat uniform. At 36 he's proven he can still play and comes with great chemistry with this team. He can essentially become the new UD for the Miami Heat. We all know how much Butler loves him so it would ease the blow of losing Lowry. Dragic and Vucevic could also serve as great mentors for Nikola Jovic.

I’m not sending a pick for Vuc. The Bulls deal already looks bad for them, no need for us to bail them out. Additionally he becomes another vet for Riley to offer a crappy too long contract to next year.

[Flash4thewin]

Kyle Lowry is our only big attachable salary that I see us being able to use in trade in order to improve this year and even get us out of salary cap hell next year. Still think a trade with the Bulls is a win win for both sides. Unfortunately we are stuck with Duncan for the foreseeable future. Maybe we can pull a change of scenery deal with Dallas for Davis Bertans. I know Duncan has a fan in Mark Cuban so it's possible. I would also be fine with having the 6'10 Bertans on the bench instead giving us more depth in the front court. So to revisit the trade with Chicago.

Chicago deals

PG Coby White 6'4 (Expiring contract w bird rights) 7.4 mil
PG Goran Dragic 6'4 (Expiring) 1.8 mil
C Nikola Vucevic 6'10 (Expiring w bird rights) 22 mil
Future 2nd round pick

to Miami for

PG Kyle Lowry 6'0 (Expires after next year) 28 mil
SG Max Strus 6'5 (Expiring w bird rights) 1.8 mil
C Omer Yurtseven (Expiring w bird rights) 1.8 mil
Future 1st round pick

Why the Bulls do this?

Bulls look to get some value for players that are most likely to walk next year. They traded two first round picks to the Magic for Vucevic so I could see them looking to recoup at least one from us before he walks. Coby White has shown flashes of talent but doesn't seem to be a good fit as the Bulls have Ayo and Caruso. Bulls are in need of shooting so getting Max Strus who's a Illinois native and also former Bull makes for a nice homecoming. Could also see them wanting to retain him since shooting has been a major Achilles for that team.

Kyle Lowry coming on board gives them insurance for Lonzo Ball who seems to have something major going on with his knee that they can't even explain. Could possibly be a degenerative issue. In the mean time while he heals up the Bulls stay competitive with the presence of Lowry who also has an extra year on his deal. He's also best friends with DeMar DeRozan so a reunion with him just seems right and also looks good on our part making it seem like we did right by Kyle. Bulls will have close to 60 million in expiring's next year between DeRozan and Lowry making them once again major players in the trade market.

Omer Yurtseven coming back to them gives them an added big to evaluate behind Drummond and Bradley who will be filling in for the void of Vucevic. He should be back in the next few months so when he's healthy he'll be a solid young big to have into the fold and see if he may be a cheap piece to retain for the future.

Why the Heat do this?

Team is in desperate need of adding size to the front court and have very limited assets to do so. Lowry is the only big salary attachment with draft picks that teams would most likely be willing to bite on. Adding Vucevic to the front court would be a major addition as he has a very flexible game that should blend in with Bam due to his outside touch and also to have on the floor as a scoring big when Bam has to sit. He'll give out front court so many options and solve our greatest weakness. Coby White gives us a big 6'4 combo guard to compete for the starting role at PG left behind by Lowry.

Between White, Vincent, and Dragic we should be able to find combinations on a nightly basis to help fill the void left behind by Lowry. It also allows us to put the ball in Butler and Herro's hands more now that Lowry is out so not necessarily a bad thing especially with getting the help in the front court. As for Dragic, it would be a nice touch in this trade to bring him back where he belongs. It would feel almost similar to how we traded back for Wade. Dragic belongs and deserves to retire in a Miami Heat uniform. At 36 he's proven he can still play and comes with great chemistry with this team. He can essentially become the new UD for the Miami Heat. We all know how much Butler loves him so it would ease the blow of losing Lowry. Dragic and Vucevic could also serve as great mentors for Nikola Jovic.

I’m not sending a pick for Vuc. The Bulls deal already looks bad for them, no need for us to bail them out. Additionally he becomes another vet for Riley to offer a crappy too long contract to next year.

If anything we are the ones getting bailed out here. Over 30+ million in expiring contracts and more importantly getting the Heat out of the luxury tax. Yeah that's totally worth a first round draft pick to this organization.

[puppa bear]

Kyle Lowry is our only big attachable salary that I see us being able to use in trade in order to improve this year and even get us out of salary cap hell next year. Still think a trade with the Bulls is a win win for both sides. Unfortunately we are stuck with Duncan for the foreseeable future. Maybe we can pull a change of scenery deal with Dallas for Davis Bertans. I know Duncan has a fan in Mark Cuban so it's possible. I would also be fine with having the 6'10 Bertans on the bench instead giving us more depth in the front court. So to revisit the trade with Chicago.

Chicago deals

PG Coby White 6'4 (Expiring contract w bird rights) 7.4 mil
PG Goran Dragic 6'4 (Expiring) 1.8 mil
C Nikola Vucevic 6'10 (Expiring w bird rights) 22 mil
Future 2nd round pick

to Miami for

PG Kyle Lowry 6'0 (Expires after next year) 28 mil
SG Max Strus 6'5 (Expiring w bird rights) 1.8 mil
C Omer Yurtseven (Expiring w bird rights) 1.8 mil
Future 1st round pick

Why the Bulls do this?

Bulls look to get some value for players that are most likely to walk next year. They traded two first round picks to the Magic for Vucevic so I could see them looking to recoup at least one from us before he walks. Coby White has shown flashes of talent but doesn't seem to be a good fit as the Bulls have Ayo and Caruso. Bulls are in need of shooting so getting Max Strus who's a Illinois native and also former Bull makes for a nice homecoming. Could also see them wanting to retain him since shooting has been a major Achilles for that team.

Kyle Lowry coming on board gives them insurance for Lonzo Ball who seems to have something major going on with his knee that they can't even explain. Could possibly be a degenerative issue. In the mean time while he heals up the Bulls stay competitive with the presence of Lowry who also has an extra year on his deal. He's also best friends with DeMar DeRozan so a reunion with him just seems right and also looks good on our part making it seem like we did right by Kyle. Bulls will have close to 60 million in expiring's next year between DeRozan and Lowry making them once again major players in the trade market.

Omer Yurtseven coming back to them gives them an added big to evaluate behind Drummond and Bradley who will be filling in for the void of Vucevic. He should be back in the next few months so when he's healthy he'll be a solid young big to have into the fold and see if he may be a cheap piece to retain for the future.

Why the Heat do this?

Team is in desperate need of adding size to the front court and have very limited assets to do so. Lowry is the only big salary attachment with draft picks that teams would most likely be willing to bite on. Adding Vucevic to the front court would be a major addition as he has a very flexible game that should blend in with Bam due to his outside touch and also to have on the floor as a scoring big when Bam has to sit. He'll give out front court so many options and solve our greatest weakness. Coby White gives us a big 6'4 combo guard to compete for the starting role at PG left behind by Lowry.

Between White, Vincent, and Dragic we should be able to find combinations on a nightly basis to help fill the void left behind by Lowry. It also allows us to put the ball in Butler and Herro's hands more now that Lowry is out so not necessarily a bad thing especially with getting the help in the front court. As for Dragic, it would be a nice touch in this trade to bring him back where he belongs. It would feel almost similar to how we traded back for Wade. Dragic belongs and deserves to retire in a Miami Heat uniform. At 36 he's proven he can still play and comes with great chemistry with this team. He can essentially become the new UD for the Miami Heat. We all know how much Butler loves him so it would ease the blow of losing Lowry. Dragic and Vucevic could also serve as great mentors for Nikola Jovic.

I’m not sending a pick for Vuc. The Bulls deal already looks bad for them, no need for us to bail them out. Additionally he becomes another vet for Riley to offer a crappy too long contract to next year.

If anything we are the ones getting bailed out here. Over 30+ million in expiring contracts and more importantly getting the Heat out of the luxury tax. Yeah that's totally worth a first round draft pick to this organization.

We’re giving up Yurt & Strus, so we need to replace their production/roster slot next season. We actually increase the backcourt congestion by swapping a PG/Wing combo for two PGs.

Vuc will be looking for his last big deal, so we either be the team to do that or let him walk. So we either dodge the tax and be thinner up front or go into the tax for a C who plays little D and will likely decline during contract (admittedly, that and overpaying undrafted G-Leaguers is our MO).

So, yeah, the upside of the deal is worth a pick, but the reality isn’t (IMO). That we’re losing Strus (who is valuable on-court) and Yurt (injured but in the long term plan), makes it even less enticing to me.

If we do a similar type of deal for a younger expiring big like Turner or a big on a longer deal (fixed cap hit) then I’m fine with it. But to me this is throwing an asset down a unfillable hole.

[RexBoyWonder]

Since we're somewhat limited with assets, and that Duncan has real negative value, I think we should focus on 2 teams we can trade with, both should be sellers and both have matching pieces that can help us : Wizards and Hornets.

Heat deal with Wizards :

Lowry + Robinson + 2 unprotected first round picks + Jovic + second round picks we can get for Strus/Vincent. (Might need to switch out Robinson for Dipo if Wizards insist)
For
Beal + Kuzma

PG : Beal
SG : Herro
SF : Jimmy
PF : Kuzma
C : Bam

Heat deal with Hornets :

Lowry + 2 picks
for
Rozier + PJ Washington

Rozier
Herro
Jimmy
Washington
Bam

These aren't superstar additions, but they're REALIASTIC and we're not only getting better and more balanced, we get a lot younger too.

I think I like The Wizards deal better, I think a Beal/Herro backcourt has the scoring punch we need, and Kuzma has the size and athleticism to be a real PF that can do PF things like we needed for a while.

[DayofMourning]

How bout we give Portland some Merry Xmas news and send them Butler to pair with Dame for a playoff run?

Miami sends Jimmy Butler

PLand sends Shaedon Sharpe, Jerami Grant, Winslow and 2 1st round picks (23 and 25).

The Blazers make a legit Finals push with this move. They have to make this move or Dame is going to go in to his twilight years as first round fodder instead of legit contender.

Miami chooses to reset. Sharpe was the top rated prospect in his class before he reclassified. He was a bit of an unknown when he didn't play college ball after reclassifying but he was once considered one of the crown jewels of the 23 draft.

Grant and Winslow shave $25 million off the books after this season.

We load manage everyone and hand the reins to tank commanders Grant and Winslow.

Heat fans spend the entire 2nd half of the season pulling for Dames and Jimmy's age to catch up to them so we can net another lottery pick.

We win the lottery and pick Victor.

Victor, Bam, Jovic, Sharpe and Herro is a super sexy young core. NSFW level lineup.

[Pokuokic]

How bout we give Portland some Merry Xmas news and send them Butler to pair with Dame for a playoff run?

Miami sends Jimmy Butler

PLand sends Shaedon Sharpe, Jerami Grant, Winslow and 2 1st round picks (23 and 25).

The Blazers make a legit Finals push with this move. They have to make this move or Dame is going to go in to his twilight years as first round fodder instead of legit contender.

Miami chooses to reset. Sharpe was the top rated prospect in his class before he reclassified. He was a bit of an unknown when he didn't play college ball after reclassifying but he was once considered one of the crown jewels of the 23 draft.

Grant and Winslow shave $25 million off the books after this season.

We load manage everyone and hand the reins to tank commanders Grant and Winslow.

Heat fans spend the entire 2nd half of the season pulling for Dames and Jimmy's age to catch up to them so we can net another lottery pick.

We win the lottery and pick Victor.

Victor, Bam, Jovic, Sharpe and Herro is a super sexy young core. NSFW level lineup.

They need Grant (2nd best player on Portland currently)to make a run but imo, maybe swap him out for Nurkic (could be really good next to Bam) and they might consider that.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Simons Sharpe hart and picks for Jimmy and Dedmon

[DayofMourning]

They need Grant (2nd best player on Portland currently)to make a run but imo, maybe swap him out for Nurkic (could be really good next to Bam) and they might consider that.

I looked at Simons as an alternate, but didn't know if that was balancing value as well. I also felt like Nurkic was a good piece for a run.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

They need Grant (2nd best player on Portland currently)to make a run but imo, maybe swap him out for Nurkic (could be really good next to Bam) and they might consider that.

I looked at Simons as an alternate, but didn't know if that was balancing value as well. I also felt like Nurkic was a good piece for a run.

Imo they need both grant and Nurkic if they’re going to be serious about their run. Simons would be a good young piece for us to use at PG, he’s an elite shooter and can fill it up.

Dame
GP2
Jimmy
Grant
Nurkic

Simons
Herro
Sharpe
Jovic
Bam

[3ammy3uck3ts]

They have 0 depth behind Nurkic basically

[DayofMourning]

Imo they need both grant and Nurkic if they’re going to be serious about their run. Simons would be a good young piece for us to use at PG, he’s an elite shooter and can fill it up.

Dame
GP2
Jimmy
Grant
Nurkic

Simons
Herro
Sharpe
Jovic
Bam

Yeah, Simons is going to be even better too. We'd have quite the shooting guard stash with Herro, Sharpe and Simons.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Imo they need both grant and Nurkic if they’re going to be serious about their run. Simons would be a good young piece for us to use at PG, he’s an elite shooter and can fill it up.

Dame
GP2
Jimmy
Grant
Nurkic

Simons
Herro
Sharpe
Jovic
Bam

Yeah, Simons is going to be even better too. We'd have quite the shooting guard stash with Herro, Sharpe and Simons.

Maybe some sort of a consolidation move with one of them and picks to add a high potential or already established young 3/4

[DayofMourning]

Imo they need both grant and Nurkic if they’re going to be serious about their run. Simons would be a good young piece for us to use at PG, he’s an elite shooter and can fill it up.

Dame
GP2
Jimmy
Grant
Nurkic

Simons
Herro
Sharpe
Jovic
Bam

Yeah, Simons is going to be even better too. We'd have quite the shooting guard stash with Herro, Sharpe and Simons.

Maybe some sort of a consolidation move with one of them and picks to add a high potential or already established young 3/4

I think so. Add another team in to the mix and try to forward them Simons for a good return that matches what we need.

Or just hold on to Simons and see how they balance each other out.

[puppa bear]

Okay, so here’s my list of “Sending Jimmy West” trades. I’ve tried to exclude destinations that are too far out of contention, would make him super unhappy and don’t fit what he needs next to him to be functional (decent PG, volume scorer and a solid big).

Pelicans - Jimmy/Gabe/Highsmith for Hayes/Lewis/Daniels/Temple/Graham/picks (LAL 23, highest 24 (LAL/MIL/NOP), highest 25 (MIL/NOP))
Grizzlies - Jimmy/Gabe for Tyus/Tillman/Williams/Green/picks (23/25/27 & GSW 24)
Clippers - Jimmy for Powell/Morris/picks (28 & swap rights 23/25/27/29) - could add in a swap for Duncan to get off years, but that seems pointless
Suns - Jimmy/Gabe for Mikal/Payne/Saric/picks (23/25)
Blazers - Jimmy/Gabe/Max for Simons/Justise/Sharpe/Johnson/pick (2024)

[Beenie]

Bam and Lowry for Dame and Grant

[Beenie]

Bam and picks for Embiid

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If they didn’t trade Bam for KD they’re not going to trade him for Dave and an expiring grant and as much as I love dame he may very well end up being the worst contract in the league soon as he ages and makes $60M

Embiid they may do

[Kobewade11]

Bam and picks for Embiid

Embiid would be dope here

[DayofMourning]

John Collins
Deandre Hunter
1st round pick

For

Jimmy Butler