What the HELL was the NBA/Silver thinking involving Karl Malone so much in all-star weekend?

[timO]

Because stockton is anti nwo

[breezypeezy]

Where was this (Malones actions) originally reported?
Its weird I never heard about it before this thread.

I'm not sure if that is sarcasm or not given how often I've read about it. I feel like the Malone stuff was one of the first horrible NBA things I learned about when I got the internet, so I couldn't say where it was first reported since that was so long ago.

Its too gross sounding for me to google it.
But no, never came across the story before.

[Sugarless]

So many POS posters on this thread. What a **** disgrace.

[QingJames]

Because whats done is done. The womans family knew about it then and Malone and the child spoke when he was 17. It's between them now and it is what it is.

You may be shocked to learn this, but we as a a society have decided that crime actually IS a matter of public interest, and punishing it is in the public good.

So no, child rape is not just between the rapist and the victim. Especially when the rapist goes unpunished because he is insulated by fame and wealth.

[QingJames]

I think the main objection is that Malone hadn't. That's a huge contrast between the two examples.

As vile as Tyson's criminal behavior was, he paid his debt, even if some may want to cancel him for life.

And as for the league not bothering to do anything about this in the past, well he was somehow never charged. Had this happened today there would likely be both criminal and league repercussions.

I don't like that this was all but ignored - and he got to set the media terms, insisting that he would not talk unless a particular reporter from a particular newspaper left the room - particularly because nothing was done and he never paid the legal price. If he had, it would sit less badly.

Did anyone ask Adam Silver about Malone's involvement?

I don't really know. I didn't really pay attention, but Malone committed a terrible crime 40 years ago and it was not mentioned all that much for many years and it seems the more time goes by the more people get up in arms about it. He didn't g tget punished. He still was playing, getting accolades, etc, for a long time. Had he served time it would likely be long done and perhaps kind of forgotten, though who knows as much as we see it (though I don't hear people bringing up Tyson's rape whenever he is mentioned) but even if not punished this has probably happened a lot. I know Kobe is brought up when it's brought up here and with him many want to blame the girl for her rape saying she had intercourse with others or whatever but anyway, I find this one especially strange to be brought up so much given how long ago it was. I don't hear anyone talking about 40+ year old crimes anywhere else. This has been beaten to death and I don't pay close attention but I thought he might now have a relationship with the daughter or whatever.

Or are people still thinking charges should be brought now? I know there is no statute of limitations in many states for that. At some point it seems if the legal system, victims, etc, have all moved on that the public should too. It probably isn't something the victim wants brought up for the rest of her life either. She's in her 50s now and still obviously hearing about it all the time. She might even find the whole thing a blessing that brought her her daughter.

Not saying I think he should be at the all star game...just that he was at all star games all the time, playing, and getting awards and stuff a lot closer to the time he did this than now.

I imagine the NBA might not bring him to anything else (nor would he probably want to go) now though because of the backlash...which is probably a good thing.

Agree with your last point but disagree with the underlying other premise that if a crime committed long ago was long ago then everyone should just move on. I know you don't mean it this way but it's sort of a license for bad behaviour. And saying that she may consider it a blessing because she had a child is frankly shocking and an assumption we cannot make. It ignores all the daily reminders of the event and the extra burden of a child raising a child, even if there was help. There's a difference between acceptance and resignation and we have no idea where this lies for her.

People move on when the wrong has been addressed. This is why there are commissions for things that happened even hundreds of years ago (I'm thinking now of Indigenous children abused and killed in the Christian schools as it's in the news in Canada, though there's no shortage of other examples).

I don't think that cancel culture is the same thing as acknowledging a basic unfairness with the entire situation. And it keeps getting brought up precisely because nothing was done that should have.

My sense is that the league's hands are tied to the extent that it's not a court of law or the morality police. The Primo situation, by contrast, was dealt with swiftly, and with the league's help, nothing with his name on it was sold on any official league sites. But then again that's an ongoing criminal investigation, even if lawsuits have been settled.

Was there some sort of legal settlement and NDA between Malone and the girl he raped? I don't know. But because there was no other legal action then, and because this was in Utah where he played, this was the decision made, an awkward contained honour that keeps spilling out of its intended space because something glaring remains unresolved in a way that hits at the basic core of human sense of what is just.

This is a complete aside, and I agree with everything you’ve said. I just wanted to clarify for everyone that the torture, rape, neglect, and cultural genocide we perpetrated against the Indigenous in Canada did not happen hundreds of years ago. The last residential school closed in 1996.

Off topic, but maybe speaks to the point a little bit about how some ghastly crimes become more palatable to people if they imagine it happened in the distant past.

[KuruptedCav]

Just getting with the fact checker early. The girl he impregnated and abandoned was 12 years old at the time.

He was an adult.

This. I don’t care what he has done other than that. He can go cure cancer. No.


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[Mamba81p]

They were in Salt Lake City. We shouldn't treat Malone as if he was convicted of a crime.

I'm assuming you're saying it's disagreeable because of his relationship with a teenager when he was a sophomore in college. But Malone was never charged with a crime because of a loophole in Louisiana state law at the time. The only legal issue was one of paternity for child support. I suppose the child support issue could also be grounds for a morality based rejection of Malone.

The NBA named the All-Star MVP trophy after Kobe Bryant. A lot of people complained about that too but remember Kobe Bryant was also never convicted of a crime.

That's good he found a loophole in the legal system. All is forgiven then.

True, true. It's an unsavory tale either way but Malone was able to prove that he reasonably believed that she was 17, the age of consent. The girl's family didn't press charges and there was no police investigation.

Any link for that?

[axeman23]

Because stockton is anti nwo

[Gus McCrae]

Malone also one of the most physically imposing guys in NBA history, must’ve been terrifying for the girl.

WOAT

[AbeVigodaLive]

That's good he found a loophole in the legal system. All is forgiven then.

True, true. It's an unsavory tale either way but Malone was able to prove that he reasonably believed that she was 17, the age of consent. The girl's family didn't press charges and there was no police investigation.

Any link for that?

The family didn't press charges for monetary reasons. https://www.newsweek.com/karl-malone-statutory-rape-allegations-resurface-ahead-all-star-1782418

"Bell has said that her family declined to press statutory rape charges at the time as it was clear Malone—who was at Louisiana Tech University—was heading for a big NBA career. Malone later denied paternity of the child, Demetress Bell, who went on to play as a lineman in the NFL. Bell's family sued Malone and eventually settled out of court with the condition that the basketball star was acknowledged as the father of Demetress Bell.

Malone finally met his son when he turned 17 but reportedly told him that "it was too late for him to be his father, and he'd have to make it on his own.""

... the article also mentions that Karl Malone denied twin children from 1980. Again, he settled financially out of court... and finally acknowledged they were his children after they were adults.

[Birth of the Cool]

To think the basketball related discussions here are sometimes so bad, and then you get to this thread and you have people defending Malone and saying criticism of him having sex with a 12/13 year old child and impregnating her when he was an adult is a case of "Woke Culture" or people being to PC.

At least we now know from this thread who the pro-child rape people are. A real eye opener on how sick some of the people on this board are.

[WillyJakkz]

They should've honored John Stockton, brought in Dr Dunkenstein as a Slam Dunk judge and used Karl Malone as the stand in during the scoring record celebration since they were so bent on having Malone participate.

[DNice68]

Well I mean it is Utah, and the girl was black so of course no one would protest.

[Nate505]

Well I mean it is Utah, and the girl was black so of course no one would protest.

Derp

[Maxthirty]

Man, I’m so surprised the “anti-woke” posters are supportive of the child rapist. Who could’ve seen this coming???

[JonFromVA]

The only thing that annoys me about this thread is posters going at each other. There is no rule as to when we need to forgive, forget, or excuse someone who's performed an egregious act. The NBA isn't wrong for setting the statutory rape aside 40 years later, and the op/others aren't wrong for still being upset about it 40 years later.

[nikster]

This thing regarding Malone sounds like fake out rage to me. The girls family never filed charges to Malone. The bastard kid became an NFL player and has made amends with Malone. But yet we have randoms on a basketball forum irate over a situation that was dealt with 30+ yrs ago. Y’all sad.


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1) Make up unsubstantiated claims about them meeting in a bar despite them being neighbours
2) Deflect the blame to the victims family
3) "I can't understand why you are upset over the statutory rape and subsequent abandonment of a 12 year old"
4) I dont see anything wrong with the league honoring this man
5) Y'all are sad because you dont see things my way

Really setting an all time low bar for the degenerates on this board

[Capn'O]

I think the main objection is that Malone hadn't. That's a huge contrast between the two examples.

As vile as Tyson's criminal behavior was, he paid his debt, even if some may want to cancel him for life.

And as for the league not bothering to do anything about this in the past, well he was somehow never charged. Had this happened today there would likely be both criminal and league repercussions.

I don't like that this was all but ignored - and he got to set the media terms, insisting that he would not talk unless a particular reporter from a particular newspaper left the room - particularly because nothing was done and he never paid the legal price. If he had, it would sit less badly.

Did anyone ask Adam Silver about Malone's involvement?

I don't really know. I didn't really pay attention, but Malone committed a terrible crime 40 years ago and it was not mentioned all that much for many years and it seems the more time goes by the more people get up in arms about it. He didn't g tget punished. He still was playing, getting accolades, etc, for a long time. Had he served time it would likely be long done and perhaps kind of forgotten, though who knows as much as we see it (though I don't hear people bringing up Tyson's rape whenever he is mentioned) but even if not punished this has probably happened a lot. I know Kobe is brought up when it's brought up here and with him many want to blame the girl for her rape saying she had intercourse with others or whatever but anyway, I find this one especially strange to be brought up so much given how long ago it was. I don't hear anyone talking about 40+ year old crimes anywhere else. This has been beaten to death and I don't pay close attention but I thought he might now have a relationship with the daughter or whatever.

Or are people still thinking charges should be brought now? I know there is no statute of limitations in many states for that. At some point it seems if the legal system, victims, etc, have all moved on that the public should too. It probably isn't something the victim wants brought up for the rest of her life either. She's in her 50s now and still obviously hearing about it all the time. She might even find the whole thing a blessing that brought her her daughter.

Not saying I think he should be at the all star game...just that he was at all star games all the time, playing, and getting awards and stuff a lot closer to the time he did this than now.

I imagine the NBA might not bring him to anything else (nor would he probably want to go) now though because of the backlash...which is probably a good thing.

Agree with your last point but disagree with the underlying other premise that if a crime committed long ago was long ago then everyone should just move on. I know you don't mean it this way but it's sort of a license for bad behaviour. And saying that she may consider it a blessing because she had a child is frankly shocking and an assumption we cannot make. It ignores all the daily reminders of the event and the extra burden of a child raising a child, even if there was help. There's a difference between acceptance and resignation and we have no idea where this lies for her.

People move on when the wrong has been addressed. This is why there are commissions for things that happened even hundreds of years ago (I'm thinking now of Indigenous children abused and killed in the Christian schools as it's in the news in Canada, though there's no shortage of other examples).

I don't think that cancel culture is the same thing as acknowledging a basic unfairness with the entire situation. And it keeps getting brought up precisely because nothing was done that should have been.

My sense is that the league's hands are tied to the extent that it's not a court of law or the morality police. The Primo situation, by contrast, was dealt with swiftly, and with the league's help, nothing with his name on it was sold on any official league sites. But then again that's an ongoing criminal investigation, even if lawsuits have been settled.

Was there some sort of legal settlement and NDA between Malone and the girl he raped? I don't know. But because there was no other legal action then, and because this was in Utah where he played, this was the decision made, an awkward contained honour that keeps spilling out of its intended space because something glaring remains unresolved in a way that hits at the basic core of human sense of what is just.

There was a civil settlement in the 90s. The girl's family, for their reasons, didn't press criminal charges at the time nor did the woman years afterward.

I don't disagree that it would have been cleaner from the public side if he had gone through the legal process. And if he had, there probably would never have been a Karl Malone that we know about. But he didn't. And there's sort of a damned if you do, damned if you don't element to his inclusion in the league going forward because of it.

[G R E Y]

I don't really know. I didn't really pay attention, but Malone committed a terrible crime 40 years ago and it was not mentioned all that much for many years and it seems the more time goes by the more people get up in arms about it. He didn't g tget punished. He still was playing, getting accolades, etc, for a long time. Had he served time it would likely be long done and perhaps kind of forgotten, though who knows as much as we see it (though I don't hear people bringing up Tyson's rape whenever he is mentioned) but even if not punished this has probably happened a lot. I know Kobe is brought up when it's brought up here and with him many want to blame the girl for her rape saying she had intercourse with others or whatever but anyway, I find this one especially strange to be brought up so much given how long ago it was. I don't hear anyone talking about 40+ year old crimes anywhere else. This has been beaten to death and I don't pay close attention but I thought he might now have a relationship with the daughter or whatever.

Or are people still thinking charges should be brought now? I know there is no statute of limitations in many states for that. At some point it seems if the legal system, victims, etc, have all moved on that the public should too. It probably isn't something the victim wants brought up for the rest of her life either. She's in her 50s now and still obviously hearing about it all the time. She might even find the whole thing a blessing that brought her her daughter.

Not saying I think he should be at the all star game...just that he was at all star games all the time, playing, and getting awards and stuff a lot closer to the time he did this than now.

I imagine the NBA might not bring him to anything else (nor would he probably want to go) now though because of the backlash...which is probably a good thing.

Agree with your last point but disagree with the underlying other premise that if a crime committed long ago was long ago then everyone should just move on. I know you don't mean it this way but it's sort of a license for bad behaviour. And saying that she may consider it a blessing because she had a child is frankly shocking and an assumption we cannot make. It ignores all the daily reminders of the event and the extra burden of a child raising a child, even if there was help. There's a difference between acceptance and resignation and we have no idea where this lies for her.

People move on when the wrong has been addressed. This is why there are commissions for things that happened even hundreds of years ago (I'm thinking now of Indigenous children abused and killed in the Christian schools as it's in the news in Canada, though there's no shortage of other examples).

I don't think that cancel culture is the same thing as acknowledging a basic unfairness with the entire situation. And it keeps getting brought up precisely because nothing was done that should have.

My sense is that the league's hands are tied to the extent that it's not a court of law or the morality police. The Primo situation, by contrast, was dealt with swiftly, and with the league's help, nothing with his name on it was sold on any official league sites. But then again that's an ongoing criminal investigation, even if lawsuits have been settled.

Was there some sort of legal settlement and NDA between Malone and the girl he raped? I don't know. But because there was no other legal action then, and because this was in Utah where he played, this was the decision made, an awkward contained honour that keeps spilling out of its intended space because something glaring remains unresolved in a way that hits at the basic core of human sense of what is just.

This is a complete aside, and I agree with everything you’ve said. I just wanted to clarify for everyone that the torture, rape, neglect, and cultural genocide we perpetrated against the Indigenous in Canada did not happen hundreds of years ago. The last residential school closed in 1996.

Off topic, but maybe speaks to the point a little bit about how some ghastly crimes become more palatable to people if they imagine it happened in the distant past.

Fair point, thanks. I think the very idea of it carrying on until '96 has lots of unpleasant ramifications that many would rather not have to deal with.

To the point at hand, it is more accurate to say that the abuse in residential schools did not only happen a long time ago. But those crimes that did should and are getting moral legal attention. 'Forty years ago so let it go' in the Malone case is really not a good argument and it's not just about woke mobs or social justice warriors or moving on because everyone involved seems to have, appearances taking precedence - people 'move on' because they have to find ways of living (and many don't) not because it's better with time.

Each generation that finds out about this finds it jarring. That speaks to the repulsion of the statutory rape and to the lack of justice, and to the ongoing inclusion of Malone in anything. I do think it would have been slightly different had he been charged with a crime.

A couple of other points: if it's true that Malone said he thought she was 17 thereby triggering the Romeo and Juliet law, it is a vile manipulation of the law and his thinking her age was 17 doesn't absolve him. It's in place for couples in a relationship and they KNOW how old each one is. If anything, attempting to use this speaks to his dgaf how old she was and trying to use a law in hindsight to cover things up.

That an elementary school aged girl and her family should be put in a pressure situation of having to accuse an already prominent athlete or make a choice of his going to jail vs. not and so being able to provide for the baby (he didn't anyway) is ghastly, too.

[bwgood77]

I don't really know. I didn't really pay attention, but Malone committed a terrible crime 40 years ago and it was not mentioned all that much for many years and it seems the more time goes by the more people get up in arms about it. He didn't g tget punished. He still was playing, getting accolades, etc, for a long time. Had he served time it would likely be long done and perhaps kind of forgotten, though who knows as much as we see it (though I don't hear people bringing up Tyson's rape whenever he is mentioned) but even if not punished this has probably happened a lot. I know Kobe is brought up when it's brought up here and with him many want to blame the girl for her rape saying she had intercourse with others or whatever but anyway, I find this one especially strange to be brought up so much given how long ago it was. I don't hear anyone talking about 40+ year old crimes anywhere else. This has been beaten to death and I don't pay close attention but I thought he might now have a relationship with the daughter or whatever.

Or are people still thinking charges should be brought now? I know there is no statute of limitations in many states for that. At some point it seems if the legal system, victims, etc, have all moved on that the public should too. It probably isn't something the victim wants brought up for the rest of her life either. She's in her 50s now and still obviously hearing about it all the time. She might even find the whole thing a blessing that brought her her daughter.

Not saying I think he should be at the all star game...just that he was at all star games all the time, playing, and getting awards and stuff a lot closer to the time he did this than now.

I imagine the NBA might not bring him to anything else (nor would he probably want to go) now though because of the backlash...which is probably a good thing.

Agree with your last point but disagree with the underlying other premise that if a crime committed long ago was long ago then everyone should just move on. I know you don't mean it this way but it's sort of a license for bad behaviour. And saying that she may consider it a blessing because she had a child is frankly shocking and an assumption we cannot make. It ignores all the daily reminders of the event and the extra burden of a child raising a child, even if there was help. There's a difference between acceptance and resignation and we have no idea where this lies for her.

People move on when the wrong has been addressed. This is why there are commissions for things that happened even hundreds of years ago (I'm thinking now of Indigenous children abused and killed in the Christian schools as it's in the news in Canada, though there's no shortage of other examples).

I don't think that cancel culture is the same thing as acknowledging a basic unfairness with the entire situation. And it keeps getting brought up precisely because nothing was done that should have been.

My sense is that the league's hands are tied to the extent that it's not a court of law or the morality police. The Primo situation, by contrast, was dealt with swiftly, and with the league's help, nothing with his name on it was sold on any official league sites. But then again that's an ongoing criminal investigation, even if lawsuits have been settled.

Was there some sort of legal settlement and NDA between Malone and the girl he raped? I don't know. But because there was no other legal action then, and because this was in Utah where he played, this was the decision made, an awkward contained honour that keeps spilling out of its intended space because something glaring remains unresolved in a way that hits at the basic core of human sense of what is just.

There was a civil settlement in the 90s. The girl's family, for their reasons, didn't press criminal charges at the time nor did the woman years afterward.

I don't disagree that it would have been cleaner from the public side if he had gone through the legal process. And if he had, there probably would never have been a Karl Malone that we know about. But he didn't. And there's sort of a damned if you do, damned if you don't element to his inclusion in the league going forward because of it.

That kind of speaks to it being addressed. If they didn't press criminal charges, than what can be done? Had they pressed criminal charges, it would have been addressed.

And to the earlier point by GREY, I wasn't suggesting people should move on...I was just mostly curious why they would expect the NBA to do given he was playing in the league and olympics and receiving accolades way back when this happened and the two decades after and got inducted into the hall of fame in 2010, and named in the top 50 and/or top 75 of all time.

So people shocked he his at NBA weekend seemed weird to me. And when it may sound like I am saying people should move on, it is more the thought of so much discussion in threads all the time about something that has been known and around forever and never was or will be criminally addressed so continiuing to talk about it now, next year, a decade from now, etc, likely won't change that (but I suppose now he will likely not care to be back at NBA events and the NBA may want to prevent anything further now too, given questions are still happening and the woman has to continue hearing about it the rest of her life). It should have been and it's appalling and repugnant behavior that should put people in prison and not discussing it doesn't mean you think it's ok.