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[mpharris36]

Yes I’m not sure where that went, it’s a big reason why last season’s offense was a success was playing ihart in that position and why the offense looked much better letting KAT make reads out of that high post, seems like our assists have fallen in part to that.

when is the last time we threw the ball to KAT in the elbow area in a triple threat spot. I remember Joakim Noah getting actions like that...ihart got them as well. KAT is a solid passer and I feel like we have used that at all recently.

We literally did that today and he got double teamed and threw the ball away

nah that wasn't the elbow...that was an inbounds play where he got the ball on the baseline and he was doubled and threw it away.

He was already frustrated and having a poor game at that point so he was pressing.

Most of what I'm trying to do is get guys easy looks earlier in the game to get into a rhythm.

It not going to be easy...when you have a lot of guys and mouths to feed you need to be creative...right now OG is more active and getting the looks...he's went through stretches this year where he's been frustrated with the offense and the looks.

Too often its all or nothing with some of these guys...rarely have we had all these guys clicking at once. I think for the most part we get by on Brunson and KAT"s offensive skill set but there is way more we should be able to unlock with this group.

[Guano]

OG, for as awkward and stumbling and bumbling as he can be, has had so many more self creation moments this year. Times where you are borderline shocked Anunoby pulled off XYZ. Mikal likes to shoot corner 3s and take fades. It’s a different kind of boring then RJ, but it’s the same tasteless vanilla flavor.

It's an insult to rj... he never lacked confidence. He wouldn't be passive with the rock.

What I’m speaking to is that for 82 games a year we would watch RJ put his head down and drive to the hoop and brick layups. Then he would aim his threes and miss horribly. The lack of variety in his game became puzzling. We’re 60 games into Mikals first year and it’s either fadeaway or a corner three. He hasn’t unlocked or shown anything else. Granted it was a completely different situation but I at least remember him looking saucy at times in P&R action in BK. Even in his last year in Pheonix he was getting to the line 3x per game (before it got to 6.6 and 3.9 as a Net). This dude is taking 1.1 FTA this year.

Read somewhere for his point total it's a historic low FT attempts. His game on offense is somehow more offensive than rjs. He is completely afraid of contact and has never shown his handle. It's either open 3s or fading from contact middy.

In all I woulrnt hate mikal if it's wasn't for the package. His defense is nice and he can hit a corner 3. We just need more from him. And he should be benched for deuce more often.

[robillionaire]

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We are in agreement. Hell he isn't even using kat correctly. He shouls be firing up more 3s. With all that said play better in the role you're in. He is playing passive on offense is afraid to get to the rim/ft line. He fcked up his shot.

And it's understabdle that knicks fans are frustrated with a guy we gave up 5 picks for is underwhelming. And is being passive on the offensive end. I'm sure I'd like mikal if we didnt go all in on him. But as is this is crippling. We needed another creator and he isn't it. Regardless of system if he can't go 1v1

At this level, rhythm and confidence are the 2 most important things. Right now he has none. On 75 percent of the offensive possessions he doesn’t touch the ball. That’s on Thibs - he needs to scheme him rhythm touches so he gains confidence. And I really don’t buy the bull he can’t create his own shot. He played 110 games for the Nets as the first option and was able to put up 21.5 PPG on 45/37 shooting line, getting to the line almost 5 times a game.
It’s in there - he doesn’t know his role, has no rhythm.
It’s on the coach to maximize his players.

he also get basically zero P&R ball handler attempts...I think the metrics actually say he's pretty effective as the P&R ball handler in terms of PPP but someone can fact check me on that.

where is this guy?

Watch on YouTube

look at how many attempts he got early in the game and he got into a rhythm. He's no comfortable or confident right now and like you said that also on the coach for not getting players involved. It can't always be brunson bails out the offense all the time.


Save that for the last 4-5 minutes of the game.

Earlier in the game should be getting our other players invovled.

On the shot chart 4 of his attempts came in the first quarter. That’s fairly early. Then he just took 2 more attempts the rest of the game and 1 in the entire 2nd half. And it’s not because there was no opportunity, he did have touches.

[mpharris36]

It's an insult to rj... he never lacked confidence. He wouldn't be passive with the rock.

Yeah good or bad RJ was gonna shoot. He would have been a great 6th man….. same way Hart is a great 6th man.

We could use a 2nd creator.

Someone fire up the Diddy song and bring our mistreated son home. Send mikal to Canada.

Mikal should legit be that guy...its just funny to me that we run more plays for Cam Payne then we do Mikal...like Cam Payne because he's like Nate Robinson or DJ Augistine in thibs system...he value's guys that you can just give the ball too and create a shot. I don't know if the same thing can be said for system players like Mikal.

[robillionaire]

It's an insult to rj... he never lacked confidence. He wouldn't be passive with the rock.

What I’m speaking to is that for 82 games a year we would watch RJ put his head down and drive to the hoop and brick layups. Then he would aim his threes and miss horribly. The lack of variety in his game became puzzling. We’re 60 games into Mikals first year and it’s either fadeaway or a corner three. He hasn’t unlocked or shown anything else. Granted it was a completely different situation but I at least remember him looking saucy at times in P&R action in BK. Even in his last year in Pheonix he was getting to the line 3x per game (before it got to 6.6 and 3.9 as a Net). This dude is taking 1.1 FTA this year.

Read somewhere for his point total it's a historic low FT attempts. His game on offense is somehow more offensive than rjs. He is completely afraid of contact and has never shown his handle. It's either open 3s or fading from contact middy.

In all I woulrnt hate mikal if it's wasn't for the package. His defense is nice and he can hit a corner 3. We just need more from him. And he should be benched for deuce more often.

Deuce was 0-6. He’s always a feast or famine player too.

I wish we had one more consistent offensive player

[HopelessKnick]

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At this level, rhythm and confidence are the 2 most important things. Right now he has none. On 75 percent of the offensive possessions he doesn’t touch the ball. That’s on Thibs - he needs to scheme him rhythm touches so he gains confidence. And I really don’t buy the bull he can’t create his own shot. He played 110 games for the Nets as the first option and was able to put up 21.5 PPG on 45/37 shooting line, getting to the line almost 5 times a game.
It’s in there - he doesn’t know his role, has no rhythm.
It’s on the coach to maximize his players.

he also get basically zero P&R ball handler attempts...I think the metrics actually say he's pretty effective as the P&R ball handler in terms of PPP but someone can fact check me on that.

where is this guy?

Watch on YouTube

look at how many attempts he got early in the game and he got into a rhythm. He's no comfortable or confident right now and like you said that also on the coach for not getting players involved. It can't always be brunson bails out the offense all the time.


Save that for the last 4-5 minutes of the game.

Earlier in the game should be getting our other players invovled.

On the shot chart 4 of his attempts came in the first quarter. That’s fairly early. Then he just took 2 more attempts the rest of the game and 1 in the entire 2nd half. And it’s not because there was no opportunity, he did have touches.

He has got the yips unfortunately....

[Guano]

What I’m speaking to is that for 82 games a year we would watch RJ put his head down and drive to the hoop and brick layups. Then he would aim his threes and miss horribly. The lack of variety in his game became puzzling. We’re 60 games into Mikals first year and it’s either fadeaway or a corner three. He hasn’t unlocked or shown anything else. Granted it was a completely different situation but I at least remember him looking saucy at times in P&R action in BK. Even in his last year in Pheonix he was getting to the line 3x per game (before it got to 6.6 and 3.9 as a Net). This dude is taking 1.1 FTA this year.

Read somewhere for his point total it's a historic low FT attempts. His game on offense is somehow more offensive than rjs. He is completely afraid of contact and has never shown his handle. It's either open 3s or fading from contact middy.

In all I woulrnt hate mikal if it's wasn't for the package. His defense is nice and he can hit a corner 3. We just need more from him. And he should be benched for deuce more often.

Deuce was 0-6. He’s always a feast or famine player too.

I wish we had one more consistent offensive player

This is where the thibs argument gains ground. We have too much talent for so many weapons to be struggling. I'm sick of assigning blame. I just want to win.

What I do know is Brunson played amazing and so did OG. Everyone else is a failure.

[Guano]

Yeah good or bad RJ was gonna shoot. He would have been a great 6th man….. same way Hart is a great 6th man.

We could use a 2nd creator.

Someone fire up the Diddy song and bring our mistreated son home. Send mikal to Canada.

Mikal should legit be that guy...its just funny to me that we run more plays for Cam Payne then we do Mikal...like Cam Payne because he's like Nate Robinson or DJ Augistine in thibs system...he value's guys that you can just give the ball too and create a shot. I don't know if the same thing can be said for system players like Mikal.

And that's disappointing. That cam Payne can take ball and get shots off and the guy we gave each up so much of our draft capital can't create.

[Wildcat]

If he's out for an extended period of time we're cooked. The team's offense has been in freefall since the new year, we're 12th in the league offensively since then, that is with Jalen. The offense and lack of creativity without him is going to be horrific.

Heh, I feel like I'm talking to my kid. You're telling me with 20 games to go, the Knicks without JB can't win 10 of those games, which include Charlotte, Dallas, Washington, San Antonio, Philly, and Brooklyn? Your perspective is highly skewed right now.

We have been in OT games with the Hawks, Bulls and Wiz, and beat the garbage ass Sixers by just 5 points last week and you're talking about winning 10 games without Brunson? Hilarious.

And yet you somehow putting Bucks -- who have their fair share of ugly loses -- over Cleveland, OKC, Boston, Lakers, Denver, and Pacers twice? Never mind that the Bucks schedule is harder, they're already 11-14 against .500 teams. What world am I stepping in that we're suddenly looking at the Bucks and think they're going to turn the page. I trust that this team can go 10-10 far more than I trust Milwaukee to go 15-6 for the 3rd Seed. That's dense and ludicrous.

[Guano]

Yeah good or bad RJ was gonna shoot. He would have been a great 6th man….. same way Hart is a great 6th man.

We could use a 2nd creator.

Someone fire up the Diddy song and bring our mistreated son home. Send mikal to Canada.

Too far homie

My bad. I get carried away some times.

[BrOnXKing1]

Team is not fun to watch at all. Brought in a really soft player in Mikal Bridges who stands around and really does nothing. Towns never demands the ball, and lets be honest, he is also a soft player.

It was a matter of time JB was going to go down carrying the load every possession.

[BrOnXKing1]

Lose Jalen (39pts/10ast.)
Lose the game (Jalen - 39pts/10ast.).
Clippers tomorrow.
Still losing against top teams.

Get rid of Tom already.

What will getting rid of Tom do? We have flawed roster and horrific bench. The whole 4th quarter was basically a two man game with JB and Hart, with everyone standing around. Can a new coach fix that?

[NiceLikeChrist]

Lose Jalen (39pts/10ast.)
Lose the game (Jalen - 39pts/10ast.).
Clippers tomorrow.
Still losing against top teams.

Get rid of Tom already.

What will getting rid of Tom do? We have flawed roster and horrific bench. The whole 4th quarter was basically a two man game with JB and Hart, with everyone standing around. Can a new coach fix that?

Yes. A new coach absolutely could. What are we even talking about

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Lose Jalen (39pts/10ast.)
Lose the game (Jalen - 39pts/10ast.).
Clippers tomorrow.
Still losing against top teams.

Get rid of Tom already.

What will getting rid of Tom do? We have flawed roster and horrific bench. The whole 4th quarter was basically a two man game with JB and Hart, with everyone standing around. Can a new coach fix that?

Yes. Read my OP in the Thibs has to go thread to see how a new coach can fix that.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Heh, I feel like I'm talking to my kid. You're telling me with 20 games to go, the Knicks without JB can't win 10 of those games, which include Charlotte, Dallas, Washington, San Antonio, Philly, and Brooklyn? Your perspective is highly skewed right now.

We have been in OT games with the Hawks, Bulls and Wiz, and beat the garbage ass Sixers by just 5 points last week and you're talking about winning 10 games without Brunson? Hilarious.

And yet you somehow putting Bucks -- who have their fair share of ugly loses -- over Cleveland, OKC, Boston, Lakers, Denver, and Pacers twice? Never mind that the Bucks schedule is harder, they're already 11-14 against .500 teams. What world am I stepping in that we're suddenly looking at the Bucks and think they're going to turn the page. I trust that this team can go 10-10 far more than I trust Milwaukee to go 15-6 for the 3rd Seed. That's dense and ludicrous.

I don't believe in the Bucks, but I believe in a Brunson-less Knicks team even less. Removing the most clutch player in the league from a team that relies on him for offense and creation, and thinking that team can play .500 ball is crazy talk. We are 17-13 over our last 30 games, that is with Brunson bailing us out of close ones. Who is going to bail us out of a close game now, Deuce? You just got a glimpse of how tragic our offense looks without him, and you're betting on that?


If he were to miss 20 games, we would be absolutely cooked. Stop trying to downplay what he means to the team.

[BrOnXKing1]

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How can we get a legitimate star to play with Brunson? We just traded 5 first round picks for a role player with overrated defense.

All we had to do last year is stand pat and than make a major move with our assets, but we decided to blow all the chemistry this team in 2024

[mpharris36]

We could use a 2nd creator.

Someone fire up the Diddy song and bring our mistreated son home. Send mikal to Canada.

Mikal should legit be that guy...its just funny to me that we run more plays for Cam Payne then we do Mikal...like Cam Payne because he's like Nate Robinson or DJ Augistine in thibs system...he value's guys that you can just give the ball too and create a shot. I don't know if the same thing can be said for system players like Mikal.

And that's disappointing. That cam Payne can take ball and get shots off and the guy we gave each up so much of our draft capital can't create.

He can create...just not in the way that guy that can bomb 3's can. Put him in the P&R and let him get to the mid range...he can do that. But we do let him.

I'm going to put a slightly positive spin on the Brunson injury. It sucks and I wish him a quick recovery because we are going to need him but it may have forced us into necessary changes.

We became to reliant on brunson offensive greatness especially late it was becoming a crutch. Thibs just has his arm folded...Mikal and KAT just watching him. Hart has some positive plays tonight but other times was indecisive again.

Time for everyone to step up. We know what we are going to get from Brunson in the playoffs...now is a good time to try out different lineups and plays to get more guys involved in the offense. No more give it to brunson and get out of the way offense.

I assume Deuce will just replace him which will force more on ball for Mikal....we need these guys in the playoffs if we are going to have any shot...and now more eyes will be on thibs to get run sets to get them shots because we don't have Brunson as a crutch to save us.

Sink or swim time...it should be a good experiment while brunson recovers...I don't know why I'm positive maybe its because its almost 3 and I have to be up in 3 hours for work and can't sleep.

[mpharris36]

We have been in OT games with the Hawks, Bulls and Wiz, and beat the garbage ass Sixers by just 5 points last week and you're talking about winning 10 games without Brunson? Hilarious.

And yet you somehow putting Bucks -- who have their fair share of ugly loses -- over Cleveland, OKC, Boston, Lakers, Denver, and Pacers twice? Never mind that the Bucks schedule is harder, they're already 11-14 against .500 teams. What world am I stepping in that we're suddenly looking at the Bucks and think they're going to turn the page. I trust that this team can go 10-10 far more than I trust Milwaukee to go 15-6 for the 3rd Seed. That's dense and ludicrous.

I don't believe in the Bucks, but I believe in a Brunson-less Knicks team even less. Removing the most clutch player in the league from a team that relies on him for offense and creation, and thinking that team can play .500 ball is crazy talk. We are 17-13 over our last 30 games, that is with Brunson bailing us out of close ones. Who is going to bail us out of a close game now, Deuce? You just got a glimpse of how tragic our offense looks without him, and you're betting on that?


If he were to miss 20 games, we would be absolutely cooked. Stop trying to downplay what he means to the team.

It might actually be a blessing in disguise...we have a lot of guy in offensive ruts...its sink or swim time without the crutch of brunsons offensive brilliance. It either all falls apart without Brunson but I still think there is enough talent here and guys that have scored in the past to run a decent offense. We will also get to see Deuce with the starters as a POA defender...hopefully freeing up Mikal to do more offensive playmaking instead of chasing 50 screens a game.

I will look at it as a positive from we would have just been brunson reliant...likely more wins...but we know what that looks like...noww other guys are going to be forced into more prominent roles which might help us down the road.

[BrOnXKing1]

I don't think even the Wizards would take Bridges on an expiring contract with the way he's been playing.

This trade going to be one of the worst in franchise history.

[Butch718]

Anyone that thinks that a new coach (one with a clue) wouldn’t be able to fix the issues with this team doesn’t know ball.

The offense is stagnant due to the schemes Thibs has this team run. It’s the most predictable **** in the league. Get Jalen the ball and everyone else get the **** out of the way.

They need someone that’s going to maximize the talent that we currently have and not have everyone acting like bystanders while watching one player carrying the load every night. It’s so **** tiring to watch the same **** every night with this team.

Also, Mikal taking only 6 shots and basically not playing with any aggression is unacceptable. I have completely soured on his lackadaisical attitude. Either step up, or pack your **** bags. Fans don’t have patience for this bitch ass ****.