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Re: PG: Awful gameplan, not prepared, not 1 good performance 

Post#221 » by H_20 » Wed May 28, 2025 3:22 am

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ctorres wrote:I'm not giving up

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_teams_that_have_overcome_3%E2%80%931_series_deficits

3-1 deficit is hard to overcome, but it has been done


Nah man

We finally get to watch the Knicks play in the ECF after 25 years and y'all are already predisposed to losing Game 5 in MSG?

Eff that

It was a 6 point game with 3:51 to go

Watch tape, figure out what happened those last 4 minutes and go from there.

These games are meant to be close. We lost a close one.

Knicks don't quit. We don't quit.


Just seems like pacers are a bad match up for the knicks since last years regular season. We can't stop hali, we can't stop siakam,we can't stop tj nesmith and now mathurin(20 pts in 12 mins) :lol:
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Post#223 » by Capn'O » Wed May 28, 2025 3:23 am

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Im Coming Home wrote:You know what the worst part is for me?

Realizing Brunson isn't the seemingly perfect player who would always make the right play and never let us lose big games

He seemed when he first came here he could do no wrong, and I don't mean that in a rose tinted glasses kinda way, I mean it literally, like when he first got here he just always seemed to come up big at the most important times, or if he didn't we always had some way to logically excuse him for it

But now? I really don't know man, he's my favorite Knick of the last 20+ years, he took a huge pay cut, etc but man.. we've routinely **** the bed against teams we could/should beat or there's an opportunity to come up big and we never capitalize on the series.

Started with the Heat series years ago, then last year I know injuries but still we had a shot and blew it, now this year, Pacers are not more talented on paper, they have B level stars, we have 2 A level starts IMO, yet we come up short again.

I'm sad because I had such assurance in my mind that Brunson would lead us to the promise land if we gave him a talented roster around him, but once again he comes up short as the leader and loses to a clown like Haliburton.

It's just disappointing man, I want to believe in him but year after year I'm realizing he is a normal player with flaws and stuff, I thought his life long of growing up with basketball and how level headed he is would assure us he would always come up big and never let stuff like this happen to the team, but he doesn't prevent it, it keeps happening now every year ends up disappointment and feeling like "we should have beaten that team they weren't better than us" it's never "damn that team just was so much better than us that we lost" were losing series we should win.



He needs a coach that will hold him accountable and channel his aggression in scoring into setting up his teammates better.


We might have to get his dad out of the coaching staff.

JB should be relegated to #2 option in the first three quarters with KAT as #1. After winning Game 3, when Thibs said in the interview that he is simply looking at who gets hot when asked about KAT's performance, I knew we were cooked. There are some people in the team that you have to get going first. KAT's scoring takes out the wind of the opponents more. If I were the opposing team, I would be happy seeing JB continuously pound the ball and get his attempts up while the rest of the team remains stagnant and cold.

KAT still makes the right plays even when he has the focal point in offense and make sure his teammates are involved. So I think JB could still end getting his scoring up even with a KAT-centric offense. Then of course, JB has more energy when he activates his god mode in the clutch and becomes the best player in the league.


Even with that...

KAT was getting red hot in the 4th again tonight and we went away from him. The Pacers were playing well enough that there's no guarantee we come back but why go away from what's working? Unbelievable.
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Post#224 » by F N 11 » Wed May 28, 2025 3:23 am

Our best bet is Steven A call for Thibs head.
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Post#225 » by mpharris36 » Wed May 28, 2025 3:24 am

It's not a straight up firing you just hope Leon and crew can talk to thibs about stepping down into a FO role. We need a younger outside the box thought process here.
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Re: PG: Awful gameplan, not prepared, not 1 good performance 

Post#226 » by robillionaire » Wed May 28, 2025 3:24 am

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Im Coming Home wrote:You know what the worst part is for me?

Realizing Brunson isn't the seemingly perfect player who would always make the right play and never let us lose big games

He seemed when he first came here he could do no wrong, and I don't mean that in a rose tinted glasses kinda way, I mean it literally, like when he first got here he just always seemed to come up big at the most important times, or if he didn't we always had some way to logically excuse him for it

But now? I really don't know man, he's my favorite Knick of the last 20+ years, he took a huge pay cut, etc but man.. we've routinely **** the bed against teams we could/should beat or there's an opportunity to come up big and we never capitalize on the series.

Started with the Heat series years ago, then last year I know injuries but still we had a shot and blew it, now this year, Pacers are not more talented on paper, they have B level stars, we have 2 A level starts IMO, yet we come up short again.

I'm sad because I had such assurance in my mind that Brunson would lead us to the promise land if we gave him a talented roster around him, but once again he comes up short as the leader and loses to a clown like Haliburton.

It's just disappointing man, I want to believe in him but year after year I'm realizing he is a normal player with flaws and stuff, I thought his life long of growing up with basketball and how level headed he is would assure us he would always come up big and never let stuff like this happen to the team, but he doesn't prevent it, it keeps happening now every year ends up disappointment and feeling like "we should have beaten that team they weren't better than us" it's never "damn that team just was so much better than us that we lost" were losing series we should win.


I'm not too hard on Brunson right now. Indy's a nightmare matchup for him and he's not getting much guidance from his coach.

Thibs and Brunson were great against Boston. This was a KAT series and only once have we just spammed his actions. This was a length/speed series and only once did we stick with length/speed.

The troubling thing is... OKC is like Indy but with better players. If we aren't beating Indy we damn sure weren't beating OKC.


I never thought we were beating OKC anyway but just being there would have been something :lol:
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Post#227 » by Stannis » Wed May 28, 2025 3:24 am

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It's over fam. Even if we win 2 more we ain't gonna we 3 in a row. Just not gonna happen.


Knicks had a 9 game and a 5 gaming winning streak during regular season

So winning 3 in a row doesn't seem THAT impossible.
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Post#228 » by ctorres » Wed May 28, 2025 3:24 am

I didn't quit on the Knicks when Isiah ran them, Larry Brown coached them, Walsh ran them, D'Antoni coached them, Mills ran them, Phil ran them, Fizdale coached them, you name it.

I could have just bounced and rooted for a winning franchise, but I didn't.

I stuck around because I knew the day we would be in meaningful games, it would be worth any of the pain.

If we lose the next one, fine. Won't take away from everything I enjoyed about this season and postseason.

But damn it, I'm not giving up on this squad. Not when we got 3 games left and 2 of them are in MSG.

Is it improbable for us to win? Hell yeah it is. But we don't give up. Knicks not giving up is what gives me the inspiration to not give up when times get tough.
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Post#229 » by Capn'O » Wed May 28, 2025 3:24 am

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Stannis wrote:Last year was a 7 game series with the Pacers

This year might be a fiver.

After all those trades , money, and picks spent.... I would not be totally surprised if Leon Rose is in the hotseat and not just Thibs


Less is more vs the pacers...you best lineups have one scoring threat and multiple defenders out there...that is how you beat them because they will give up good looks...the key is getting stops vs them and then attacking them on offense.


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Post#230 » by K_ick_God » Wed May 28, 2025 3:25 am

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He actually bllames turnovers like it's unrelated to his terrible coaching and the lack of offense.

I'm not saying we win if Mitch doesn't start, but it didn't help matters. Then again they were carving up KAT at center lineups pretty good at the end. They played like a G7.

But -20 is really bad because he stayed with Mitch for the majority of 1st and 3rd quarter starts.

Also, while I don't think we win the game most likely no matter what, that play where we are playing well, making a comeback and Mikal takes that weak fadeaway that wasn't even close ...

Not exactly bearing your teeth by showing the other team early, when you're on a run, how pathetic you can really be

That one shot sums up his whole season -- he has been atrocious and I don't care if you gave up 10 pick for him, you get rid of him at all costs

Leading to my final point here: People like Tom could see Deuce play well 10x in a row and Bridges be awful the same 10x in a row, and he won't change. What Mikal makes and the hype around him as a player (which is obviously totally false and fake) means Tom will never change ... "We have to get value for Mikal, he's paid so much"

It's called Sunken Cost and is how idiotic people make decisions


Again, these are Fizdale level delusional quotes. Mike Woodson with this team could beat the Pacers. I'd bet my life on it.


He also said they knew it would be a fast game. Subtle but he takes it as a given that he knows things ... he doesn't know crap ... all his quotes presume he was in the know but his players didn't do XYZ

And yeah they're demented too

What you know, Tom, is to have Mikal become a PG to feed Brunson ... you clown ... and it never works ... just like his dumbass plays to get Brunson the ball in OT that ended the game in a turnover

I can't kill him for Hart bc Hart has been good mostly but yeah tonight, he was awful

And Tom gave Deuce no time at all ... I don't want Indiana to beat us at MSG but it's clear that our coaching is a huge problem and the sooner we out of our misery, the better

Props to Carlisle ... he made Tom look like a bigtime clown the whole series
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Post#231 » by Capn'O » Wed May 28, 2025 3:25 am

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Im Coming Home wrote:You know what the worst part is for me?

Realizing Brunson isn't the seemingly perfect player who would always make the right play and never let us lose big games

He seemed when he first came here he could do no wrong, and I don't mean that in a rose tinted glasses kinda way, I mean it literally, like when he first got here he just always seemed to come up big at the most important times, or if he didn't we always had some way to logically excuse him for it

But now? I really don't know man, he's my favorite Knick of the last 20+ years, he took a huge pay cut, etc but man.. we've routinely **** the bed against teams we could/should beat or there's an opportunity to come up big and we never capitalize on the series.

Started with the Heat series years ago, then last year I know injuries but still we had a shot and blew it, now this year, Pacers are not more talented on paper, they have B level stars, we have 2 A level starts IMO, yet we come up short again.

I'm sad because I had such assurance in my mind that Brunson would lead us to the promise land if we gave him a talented roster around him, but once again he comes up short as the leader and loses to a clown like Haliburton.

It's just disappointing man, I want to believe in him but year after year I'm realizing he is a normal player with flaws and stuff, I thought his life long of growing up with basketball and how level headed he is would assure us he would always come up big and never let stuff like this happen to the team, but he doesn't prevent it, it keeps happening now every year ends up disappointment and feeling like "we should have beaten that team they weren't better than us" it's never "damn that team just was so much better than us that we lost" were losing series we should win.


I'm not too hard on Brunson right now. Indy's a nightmare matchup for him and he's not getting much guidance from his coach.

Thibs and Brunson were great against Boston. This was a KAT series and only once have we just spammed his actions. This was a length/speed series and only once did we stick with length/speed.

The troubling thing is... OKC is like Indy but with better players. If we aren't beating Indy we damn sure weren't beating OKC.


I never thought we were beating OKC anyway but just being there would have been something :lol:


Same but Indy is like training wheels for OKC and we fell off the bike.
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Post#232 » by dakomish23 » Wed May 28, 2025 3:25 am

You MUST get a 2 way SG & push Hart back to the bench.

But at the same time Thibs love affair with Hart is inexcusable
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Post#233 » by nyknicks09 » Wed May 28, 2025 3:26 am

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Plus McBride.

They can give us Gary Trent Jr.


Doubtful . Not even sure OG, Mikal, McBride and whatever picks + swaps we have left will get us Giannis

Knicks prob the only team that rates Mikal so highly if we bring honest.


If that’s the case, just hire Mike Malone.
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Post#234 » by HerSports85 » Wed May 28, 2025 3:26 am

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Stannis wrote:Last year was a 7 game series with the Pacers

This year might be a fiver.

After all those trades , money, and picks spent.... I would not be totally surprised if Leon Rose is in the hotseat and not just Thibs


Less is more vs the pacers...you best lineups have one scoring threat and multiple defenders out there...that is how you beat them because they will give up good looks...the key is getting stops vs them and then attacking them on offense.


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Post#235 » by matchman » Wed May 28, 2025 3:26 am

Worst_to_First wrote:Chin up guys. We deserve to rant but do not give in to despair. Let's not give up yet.

If this team has pride they won't allow a gentleman sweep, even with the league and refs not on their side.

I mean the narrative would be awful that this team is much healthier than last year, thanks to Casey Smith's addition and losing in a worse fashion.
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Post#236 » by DaGawd » Wed May 28, 2025 3:27 am

i really don’t think thibs is getting a boot after we got to the ecf.. sorry to break it to some of you
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Post#237 » by Janquinn87 » Wed May 28, 2025 3:27 am

I'm surprised so many on this board hating on Brunson, he left a hundred million on the table to help the knicks to improve.
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Post#238 » by Im Coming Home » Wed May 28, 2025 3:27 am

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Im Coming Home wrote:You know what the worst part is for me?

Realizing Brunson isn't the seemingly perfect player who would always make the right play and never let us lose big games

He seemed when he first came here he could do no wrong, and I don't mean that in a rose tinted glasses kinda way, I mean it literally, like when he first got here he just always seemed to come up big at the most important times, or if he didn't we always had some way to logically excuse him for it

But now? I really don't know man, he's my favorite Knick of the last 20+ years, he took a huge pay cut, etc but man.. we've routinely **** the bed against teams we could/should beat or there's an opportunity to come up big and we never capitalize on the series.

Started with the Heat series years ago, then last year I know injuries but still we had a shot and blew it, now this year, Pacers are not more talented on paper, they have B level stars, we have 2 A level starts IMO, yet we come up short again.

I'm sad because I had such assurance in my mind that Brunson would lead us to the promise land if we gave him a talented roster around him, but once again he comes up short as the leader and loses to a clown like Haliburton.

It's just disappointing man, I want to believe in him but year after year I'm realizing he is a normal player with flaws and stuff, I thought his life long of growing up with basketball and how level headed he is would assure us he would always come up big and never let stuff like this happen to the team, but he doesn't prevent it, it keeps happening now every year ends up disappointment and feeling like "we should have beaten that team they weren't better than us" it's never "damn that team just was so much better than us that we lost" were losing series we should win.


I'm not too hard on Brunson right now. Indy's a nightmare matchup for him and he's not getting much guidance from his coach.

Thibs and Brunson were great against Boston. This was a KAT series and only once have we just spammed his actions. This was a length/speed series and only once did we stick with length/speed.

The troubling thing is... OKC is like Indy but with better players. If we aren't beating Indy we damn sure weren't beating OKC.

I don't lay the blame fully on Brunson I just used to feel like "no way would Brunson let this happen to us" in terms of losing a series to a team that's nearly equal talent wise(in fact I think Knicks are more talented even if the series doesn't show it, individually we have more talent)

It's kinda like thinking he was Jordan-like mentality wise, and he seemed like it at first, always did the right thing, played right, played smart...

Now we see it's not a flawless player, he makes dumb mistakes, gets killed on defense, and does allow us to lose series that we should win..

I thought him growing up around basketball and how cool and collected he seemed it meant he would ALWAYS show up when it mattered most, but we've lost multiple series against teams we "should beat" prior to the series in his Knicks tenure now. And it's just disappointing to realize he's human, he's not as special as he seemed to be.

It just hurts me to realize that.
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Post#240 » by RHODEY » Wed May 28, 2025 3:27 am

K_ick_God wrote:There are problems with the team, roster wise, obviously, but the combination of the roster and Tom is really toxic

It's dumb to start off with JB shooting every time after what KAT did but then again, KAT mostly sucked, our defense was awful, Tom doesn't know which lineups work or not, he's a mess. IF you start off with the presumption that KAT can win it again, maybe it happens ... he played badly, but only really badly after the team had already fallen apart

Hali and Pacers coaching was impressive ... Siakam has been great. Maybe they win anyway because:

KAT sucked

0g needs to go, he can't make a layup and his shooting kind of sucks

Mikal has zero awarness, no intensity, mopes around and looks blank half the time, tons of careless plays. And yet all he does is play every minute. The dude is a MAJOR disaster and it won't get better ... he's the king of meaningless 3's

Deuce got very little time or chances but did make a bad pass

Awful but probably still win the series if Tom didn't completely give away a done W in G1. Or at least, that propels them and they can eke out the series. Pacers came ready to make sure we didn't win ... and Tom, well he's Tom

Nothing seems to last or propel the team with Tom ... he's completely incompetent now and it would be a joke to keep him

Remember Game 1 should be like Remember the Alamo


I tune in breifly saw an immediate impact from Delon, even though he had a turnover. Made me think we would have definitely won game one if Tom had played him over Cam Payne. Team still has some good bones and i think we did pretty well this season. Also think we can improve provide we are forced to face the truth. It's a good thing that Indiana is exposing our flaws.

Thibs inflexibility and lack of offensive acumen nerfs us .

Brunson's balance of distribution to scoring needs to be improve

Kat lacks mental discipline, dumb fouls keep coming I can live with the Defense because of the offense

OG - needs more consistency even though he's shown stretches of incredibly consistency, his handle still needs improvement - honestly none of the starters have what I call a great handle

Bridges- can be automatic in the midrange but as you mentioned his awareness is bad, and he still lacks physicality, the 3pt is bad off the dribble and he's so very afraid of contact.

Hart- lacks touch from 3 and is prone to bad jump pass turnovers. I think he's better of the bench but I get why we start him - we need addtional ball handling.

Outside of Hart the starting lineup lacks above average athleticism. Og can jump, but we don't have any gazelles, we are very poor on the fast break outside of Hart.

And our bench... y'all keep telling me we are close to Indiana's, but when it comes to scoring, we are not. And we still don't have any playable players in the 6'6" to 6'9" range on the bench. No Precious wasn't playable this season.

We are kinda young but we play so damn old.

Now the good news is we can pretty much improve most of these flaws. Some things will just improve due to familiarity. Really that's the case with Indiana,who look way better with mostly the same cast of clowns. Same dudes but they shot even better and play defense much better.

Lets see what Leon does , lets see if he has the balls to make the necessary changes

We could almost run it back but I personally would try to move Bridges for an athletic playmaker SG. But if not Im cool with that too as long he improves personally and we improve all the other areas.

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