Celtics @ 76ers 3/10/08

[dond]

Getting PJ will be huge for them down the stretch. I forgot how chippy he is...perfect NBA playoff big man. They have a lot of guys on the bench to take their fouls and keep teams that can't shoot foul shots (like the Sixers) off rhythm. The second round of the Eastern playoffs should be great. This team is talented enough to win like the Bulls, but now they have 'dirty' or 'crafty' (depending on your point of view) players in PJ Brown and Posey, and even Cassel to get into an old Detroit bad boy style of play. Powe and Davis give them some younger bigs who are tough as well.

They will be a tough out...Detroit and even Lebron could do it, but it will be tough.

Totally agree. Boston got a lot better with the addition of Cassell and PJ. At one time, I thought it would be best for the Sixers to face the Celtics in the playoffs because I thought they could be beaten ... but not now. They got tougher with the addition of those 2 guys.

[humblebum]

Let me just say to the Philadephia fans that I really like the makeup of your team. Your young but you have some really talented younger players especially Iguodala and Thad Young. Lou Williams has become a bit more Jamal Crawford esque in terms of shot selection (if this game is representative of his game overall??) but he has some tools to work with. Jason Smith will also probably turn out to be a solid selection. I'm not in love with Dalembert but he's long and a very rangy athlete.

The one real question is whether or not you'll be able to hang onto Andre Miller and Reggie Evans who are both solid NBA players, with Miller being more than solid. Also your team needs to improve it's outside shooting but moving on.

I just wanted to reply to TK in regards to the Celtics being on their last legs in a couple of years.

I don't know if you notice but Rondo is 21 and Perkins is 23. So that means that the Celtics are going to have the PG and C spots locked down for a long time. With KG, Paul, and Ray all having the potential for exceptional career longevity you gotta figure one of them will continue to excel to the age of 35 and beyond, my guess would be KG. Ray or Pierce can always transition to a Mike Finley-esque role of shooter as they slow down a bit.

Then it comes down to Danny Ainge and his ability to lure free agents, make trades, and draft... I think he's proven that he can do all three quite well.

[Gant]

It will be tough though...the Celtics have a 2 year window of being this good/great. If the Sixers plan holds true, they will be in the upper tier of teams in 2 years...that year should be fun, but the Celtics will be on the downhill slope when the Sixers are reaching their peak years and they'll (Celtics) have to start rebuilding again.

A Chicago fan said the exact same thing a few days ago. So have Toronto fans.

It remains to be seen. The Celtics have good young talent of their own, their big three could have a lot of longevity, and the team's window could be a lot longer than you think.

The Celtics are well run now. They also have good ownership. If a franchise is well run they turn players over and stay competitive.

Maybe the Sixers, Raptors, Atlanta and everybody else will surpass the Celtics soon. Just as easily, maybe they won't.

[SendEm]

You mean on a night that everyone is shut down and can't hit shots Iguodala should be able to carry us against PP, Allan and KG? Who ever said he was the second coming of MJ?

He wants franchise player money. He turned down a deal averaging $11.5 million dollars per season. He's not suppose to get away with scoring just 17 points, almost 3 points below his average. Boston didn't shut the Sixers down, the Sixers just couldn't make baskets. Tonight wasn't defnied by Boston getting turnovers and playing otherworldly defense. Boston just didn't make mistakes and the Sixers couldn't make any shots.

[IversonsMother]

We lost to the best team in the league. It was certainly expected.. Can't fault Cheeks.. My only complaint is Dalembert. Too many times he disappears against good teams/big men. I'm sure we won't hear him complaining about his role after this game.

I hope Green isn't out for long and hope Miller isn't banged up after his fall.

[ahwi_quacoe]

I didn't watch the game , just want to know if Iguodala played like a franchise player , that's all. Is that too much to ask?

[Sixerscan]

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Well, I have been reading a lot of annoying stuff too ... and, I don't think it is as bad thing to let some people know that.

Of all the crap some people post I don't get why of all thing someone complaining that Thad didn't play enough would be what would set you off.

[Fire BK]

...love that young kid, he NEEDS MORE MINUTES...

It's obvious to everyone and their mother . . . as even a Celtics fan emphatically agrees! Sigh.

[Mik317]

I try and Try to stay away and you keep bringining me in.

THIS I hope will be my last post that "defends" Iggy. after that I'm done with the idiocy.
so here goes. Relplacing the Knux-Future game recap ( Smash Bros. Brawl Owns my life) is the Why am I so dumb? or How I realized Iggy isn't MJ and learned to love to bomba"


"Did Iguodala play like a franchise player?"
STOP!. if you asked this question just leave why you can. Obviously You were expecting Iggy to be Lebron or Kobe or heck even T-Mac. If so...SMACK YOSELF FOO.
bu-but Knux he is expecting Franchise-player money. This is incorect you peon. Franchise Money is is the 100il or 20mil per year. Iggy is asking for 10 to 12 mil. That's second tier player money. That's Iggy.

bu-but Knux Iggy isn't that good...........or atleast that's what I think and if you don't think that way then yur dumb.


Wrong again. IF you were to watch everygame like a real SIxer fan would try to. you would see that Iggy can play ball. Sure you could saythat everyplayer goes on a good stretch this much is true HOWEVER. During this winning streak Iggy played rediculously well consistantly.

Why do people dislike me, I'm just saying Iggy isn't that good.
Opionions are cool by me and hell everyone has players that they thin karen't as good as people say. and yes fans do over-exaggerate some of their players but you are disliked because you come off as a douchebag......excuse a unlikable, poumpous, dickwad douchebag. How do you improve this let's go over the list.

1. don't attempt to shove your opinons down peoples throat.
2. don't backpeddle....or just change the subject.
3. respect others opinions. none of this "Lol yer dumb" ****
4. If someone doesn't agree with you, either you drop it or CALMY and politly try to persaude them, if that fails then **** it and move on.
5. don't ruin everytopic with your inane dribble about other ****.
ex.
Guy: hey Dalembare is sad for some reason.
guy2: he needs to suck it up.
Douche: I HEARDZ THAT IGGY KILLED HIS CAT....AND THATS WHY HE WILL NEVER WIN A CHIPZ@!!!.


If you follow both sides of this simple plan, these boards will be readable again.......until then I'm out until the draft and maybe just game threads.

see ya.

[76erinSJ]

followeds the game on my cell phone while at work. Was really hoping we would pull this one out or lose in OT. Sendem, how come your never here when Iggy has a great? or even a good game? Your only here when yoyu think he played bad. How come you never complain about other players? Sam played horrible tonight, did you like how he played or every one else?

[phillyborn_jacksonite]

couple observations that aren't nearly as entertaining as knux but here goes:

1. we actually NEED willie green. Yes i said it. losing his was big difference tonight. Not cuz lou cant handle the truth of being a starter its cuz it puts Hot Rod as the sub of the bench at the two-enough said

2. I am a referee, so I always give them the benefit of the doubt especially with how fast and athletic this game can be. That being said: the refs suck giant elephant balls tonight-green balls.

3. I started to believe otherwise with our recent play - but we desperately need a inside out #4 that could have got Perkin's in foul trouble tonight.


anyway those four games in a row were great-just hope we can bounce back and keep winning. thats the real test

[MicrOLak3R]

Forget the bench. Let'em go iron man for a few games. Forget trying to match up. With Mo's substitution decisions, what's it matter anyways. Yada yada.....

[SendEm]

Are you guys fans of the Sixers players, fans of the Sixers organization, or both? Personally I support the organization. The players come and go, so when a guy that wants franchise player money only scores 17 points in a big game while averaging nearly 20ppg I am PISSED! Iggy turned down a deal paying him $11.5 million dollars per season. Obviously he wants more in the $13+ million range in that Joe Johnson territory. He plays like he's only worth $7+ million...

[76erinSJ]

Dala is tied for 28th in scoring, 5th in steals, 28th in dimes, top 50 in blocks, and top 62 in boards and he only deserves 7 million? While only 24 and plays great defense. You are crazy!

Of the 27 players that score more than Dala only 10 make less than 11 million this year. Those players are Turkoglu, Manu, Howard, Maggette, Al Jefferson, Paul, Stephen Jackson, Crawford, Gay and Roy. Only Maggette and Paul shoot better than Iggy. Howard and Jefferson dont count because they are PF's and shoot most shots from in the paint.

Hedu < Dala (Hedu will be 29 soon, plays worse defense)

Manu > Dala (Manu is the much better player but will be 31 soon and plays worse D and shoots same clip as Iggy)

Howard > Dala ( No question Howard is the better player)

Maggette < Dala (Much younger, plays better D and isnt injury prone like Maggette)

Al Jefferson > Dala (Only better because double double bigs are hard to come by but I think he will turn out like Randolph and Curry)

Paul > Dala (No question Paul is the better player)

Stephen Jackson < Dala (Dala shoots better, plays better D, and is much younger, will be 30 soon)

Crawford < Dala (No question Dala is the better player)

Gay = Dala (Wash)

Roy > Dala ( Roy is a little better then Iggy, rather have Roy if I had to choose)

All of these players xcept for Crawford and Jackson will make 11 million or more on their next contract and only 2 of them are franchise players (Paul and Howard). Dala deserves between 10 and 13 million a year.

[freshie2]

[quote="Gant"][/quote]

In reply to the Celtics having a young nucleus to keep this level of play in the future and having good leadership...

This is the same leadership that had them out of the playoffs and with high lottery picks recently. Rondo is very nice, and may be a star, but Perkins is in the Dalembert range as a center and not a star. As was evidenced over recent seasons, the Celtics couldn't win with one star, and now are a great team with 3. The big 3 probably have 2 years left at this level, then they do need to come up with more star power to stay at this level. There's nothing wrong with having a veteran team at the top of their game...enjoy the ride. My only point originally was the Sixers/Celtics rivalry won't be the same as historically. The Sixers are probably 2 years away, and by that time, the Celtics will be starting to transition players from this core to a new core.

[dond]

Of all the crap some people post I don't get why of all thing someone complaining that Thad didn't play enough would be what would set you off.

Well, here is my response to a previous comment that I think applies here as well ...

Fire ... It is not the criticism of the coach that is the spur under my saddle. It is the arrogance with which it is sometimes administered that drives me nuts. I have no problem with someone indicating that they would like to see certain players utilized in a different manner but ... and I have said this a few times ... when it is accompanied with some sort of inference of incompetence on the coaches ability to coach, then I find it objectionable. I believe in giving the coach, who is much more qualified than I, the benefit of the doubt on decisions like that. He might have a different view of things for whatever reason but he is not a terrible coach because he does not do what you or I think he should be doing. Especially when it is clear (at least to me, it is) that Mo Cheeks is doing a pretty good job and does not deserve that sort of criticism on a regular basis.

And I really do try not to go off on this stuff because I know it has little chance of accomplishing anything other than another round of pointless arguing (although I do give Fire credit ... he reponds calmly inspite of my fierce manner) but sometimes I just cannot hold it in and I feel I just cannot allow certain statements to go unchallenged. I think you have to agree that I do this far less than I used to. I will continue to make the supreme effort to restrain myself and limit my comments to my opinion about the team, players, and coaching staff.

[tk76]

Gant and Humblebum-

I agree the Celtics can be good for quite a while. I just think their prime chance to win titles will be the next 2 years maybe 3?). Their HOF players will not be as good at 35 as they are now, and I doubt their current role player will be able to compensate enough to keep them more than a good but not chamionship caliber team from then on.

Whether it is 2 or 3 years off, a some point, paying 3 guys who will be past their primes 60M won't be a feasible way to keep being a contender.

In 2-3 years the Celtics will still be good, but not world beaters. I hope the Sixers will be at that level too, which could help rebuild the rivalry to where is should be. Obviously, a lot can change in 2 seasons.

[wow444]

i know were missing a lot of shots, but damn everytime we go inside were getting slapped around and no calls. I HATE the refs every since donaguh or however you spell his name, i dont trust any of them. i hate all these superstar calls and 76ers are scrubs and we get no calls.

+1

[BillessuR6]

Young definitely looks good. I loved him coming out the draft and what I have seen so far this season has been very positive. Smith also looks pretty solid. You just need to find a low post scorer and you should be ok.

But I think it is interesting people are only giving the celtics 2 season to win a ring. Pierce is 30 years old! It is not like he will just fall off the edge of the earth in 2 years. Same with KG and Ray...

Players careers are getting longer and longer, Nash has been terrific in the last few years and he is 34. Stockton and Malone played in the late thirties very successfully and so on.

We will see where the teams will be in two seasons. One thing I know is that it is nice to have a talented young team but it can also be very frustrating. It is always about hoping this and that player develops it is always looking ahead to the next draft. You almost forget how it feels to win. I will take the present over future every time!

Good luck to you and hopefully we meet in the playoffs!

[SendEm]

Young definitely looks good. I loved him coming out the draft and what I have seen so far this season has been very positive. Smith also looks pretty solid. You just need to find a low post scorer and you should be ok.

But I think it is interesting people are only giving the celtics 2 season to win a ring. Pierce is 30 years old! It is not like he will just fall off the edge of the earth in 2 years. Same with KG and Ray...

Players careers are getting longer and longer, Nash has been terrific in the last few years and he is 34. Stockton and Malone played in the late thirties very successfully and so on.

We will see where the teams will be in two seasons. One thing I know is that it is nice to have a talented young team but it can also be very frustrating. It is always about hoping this and that player develops it is always looking ahead to the next draft. You almost forget how it feels to win. I will take the present over future every time!

Good luck to you and hopefully we meet in the playoffs!

You sound like a knowledgeable basketball mind. I too do not agree with the "Celtics only have a 2-3 year window" talk that has been going on in this thread. Pierce, Allen, and Garnett entered this league as superior athletes and still are. All of those players can play effectively up towards the 37-38 age range. How old were David Robinson, Reggie Miller, and Dr. J when they retired? Garnett, Allen, and Pierce should atleast be good for that range.